Thread: More information on why you should examine wheat in your diet.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:

>http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>
>
>you could help clear up some ailments.


So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
it....RODALE.

Do a bit of reading about the author, who has several websites that
will sell you all sorts of things. He is a big business online, but
has little to show in med journals..a bit about Vitamins D. He also
owns Milwaukee Heart Scan a facility that specializes in offering CT
scans of the heart. You might want to read up on those, too, as they
are cash cows.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/45760147.html

Then go read up a bit on the breeding of wheat and see if you can find
anything that backs up what this author says about modern wheat.

On Jan 19, 7:38*am, Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hootmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>
> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>
> >you could help clear up some ailments.
>
> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
> wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
> it....RODALE.
>
> Do a bit of reading about the author,

>
> http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/45760147.html
>
> Then go read up a bit on the breeding of wheat and see if you can find
> anything that backs up what this author says about modern wheat.

I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly not
be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia? The possibility
that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
sudden, widespread, sensitivity.

"ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>
>
> you could help clear up some ailments.

What ailments? I'm not gluten intolerant. I eat whole wheat bread, you
betcha. Sourdough, too. I'm so sick of hearing about people being gluten
intolerant I could scream.

I do have some food intolerances (nuts and seeds) but wheat isn't one of
them. Bring on the bread!

Jll

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:13:03 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
> with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
> symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly not
> be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia? The possibility
> that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
> sudden, widespread, sensitivity.

I am not a farmer or a scientist, but I think wheat has been bred for
more gluten content over the years so the level is higher than it was
in the past. We also have a lot more exposure to it. Just look at
all the products that have gluten added to them. Nowadays you have to
read the label and know all the words they use for it besides
"gluten".

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spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 7:38 am, Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>>
>> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>
>>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>>
>> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
>> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
>> wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
>> it....RODALE.
>>
>> Do a bit of reading about the author,
>
>>
>> http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/45760147.html
>>
>> Then go read up a bit on the breeding of wheat and see if you can
>> find anything that backs up what this author says about modern wheat.
>
> I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
> with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
> symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly not
> be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia?

Yeah, that suddenly happened. I remember it. I think it was June 5 2002.
Everyone ran for the bathroom after lunch and the world has never been the
same.

The possibility
> that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
> sudden, widespread, sensitivity.

My guess is you believe aliens pulled a genetic alteration on all our wheat
crops when no one was looking. My guess is you believe we are now eating
universal interspecies bio-fuel. Are rice and corn are next in line for the
conversion?

On Jan 19, 8:18*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:
> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 7:38 am, Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hootmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>
> >> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>
> >>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>
> >> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
> >> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
> >> wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
> >> it....RODALE.
>
> >> Do a bit of reading about the author,
>
> >>http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/45760147.html
>
> >> Then go read up a bit on the breeding of wheat and see if you can
> >> find anything that backs up what this author says about modern wheat.
>
> > I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
> > with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
> > symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly not
> > be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia?
>
> Yeah, that suddenly happened. I remember it. I think it was June 5 2002.
> Everyone ran for the bathroom after lunch and the world has never been the
> same.

I know someone who skipped his Vocabulary worksheets in grammar
school. But I'm here to help:

Sudden: Happening or coming unexpectedly; Made or brought about in a
short time.

Here, the time in which a large number of people suddenly
(unexpectedly) became sensitive to wheat gluten was short compared to
the millennia in which people have eaten wheat.

>
> The possibility
>
> > that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
> > sudden, widespread, sensitivity.
>
> My guess is you believe aliens pulled a genetic alteration on all our wheat
> crops when no one was looking. My guess is you believe we are now eating
> universal interspecies bio-fuel. Are rice and corn are next in line for the
> conversion?

Here's a time where clicking on the link and actually reading the
article being discussed would really really help you. The argument in
the article -- that plant breeders radically changed the nature of
wheat in recent years -- is appealing for the reason I gave. Whether
it is true or not I do not know.

In article
<[email protected]>,
ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0

How can wheat make you fat and anger your digestive tract at the same
time??? Most of the people I know who are gluten intolerant or have
celiac disease are quite slender, because of the response of the gut
immune system to gliadin. The villi of the small intestine, which
increase the surface area for absorption, become blunted. If you absorb
fewer Calories from your food, you LOSE weight. Granted, some people
with wheat allergies/intolerances do not have digestive issues; however,
the number of people on the gluten-free bandwagon far exceed the actual
number who have a physiological reaction to the protein.

Cindy

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:29:31 -0800, Cindy Fuller
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>
> How can wheat make you fat and anger your digestive tract at the same
> time??? Most of the people I know who are gluten intolerant or have
> celiac disease are quite slender, because of the response of the gut
> immune system to gliadin. The villi of the small intestine, which
> increase the surface area for absorption, become blunted. If you absorb
> fewer Calories from your food, you LOSE weight. Granted, some people
> with wheat allergies/intolerances do not have digestive issues; however,
> the number of people on the gluten-free bandwagon far exceed the actual
> number who have a physiological reaction to the protein.
>

My DIL is gluten intolerant, but she has joint aches and eczema as a
reaction.


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spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 8:18 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
> september.invalid> wrote:
>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 19, 7:38 am, Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>>
>>>> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>
>>>>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>>
>>>> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
>>>> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book
>>>> about wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
>>>> it....RODALE.
>>
>>>> Do a bit of reading about the author,
>>
>>>> http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/45760147.html
>>
>>>> Then go read up a bit on the breeding of wheat and see if you can
>>>> find anything that backs up what this author says about modern
>>>> wheat.
>>
>>> I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
>>> with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
>>> symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly
>>> not be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia?
>>
>> Yeah, that suddenly happened. I remember it. I think it was June 5
>> 2002. Everyone ran for the bathroom after lunch and the world has
>> never been the same.
>
> I know someone who skipped his Vocabulary worksheets in grammar
> school. But I'm here to help:
>
> Sudden: Happening or coming unexpectedly; Made or brought about in a
> short time.
>

Are you saying the word was misused or misunderstood in my post? Cite.

> Here, the time in which a large number of people suddenly
> (unexpectedly) became sensitive to wheat gluten was short compared to
> the millennia in which people have eaten wheat.

Nevertheless, something which happens in the course of a day is also short,
therefore the term as used is ambiguous and open to interpretations, such as
mine.

>
>>
>> The possibility
>>
>>> that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
>>> sudden, widespread, sensitivity.
>>
>> My guess is you believe aliens pulled a genetic alteration on all
>> our wheat crops when no one was looking. My guess is you believe we
>> are now eating universal interspecies bio-fuel. Are rice and corn
>> are next in line for the conversion?
>
> Here's a time where clicking on the link and actually reading the
> article being discussed would really really help you. The argument in
> the article -- that plant breeders radically changed the nature of
> wheat in recent years -- is appealing for the reason I gave. Whether
> it is true or not I do not know.

All the more reason to post it if you have no idea if it's true. Here's a
time where clicking on other links as a result of searches for alternative
viewpoints and nonsupportive facts would have really helped you.

I think people have much more access to information and this causes not only
more awareness of diagnosable conditions which may have been overlooked in
the past, but it also is very hospitable to various shades of hypochondria.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:13:58 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Here's a time where clicking on the link and actually reading the
>article being discussed would really really help you. The argument in
>the article -- that plant breeders radically changed the nature of
>wheat in recent years -- is appealing for the reason I gave. Whether
>it is true or not I do not know.

It's absolutely true. I can't eat wheat myself, yet I can get away
with eating Spelt (earlier form of wheat).

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2011/09/...dangerous.html
"Wheat," the book says, "has changed dramatically in the past 50 years
under the influence of agricultural scientists who have genetically
altered it beyond recognition with little or no questioning of whether
these agricultural "evolutions" are compatible with human health."

Or for too much detail
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20664999

Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>
>>
>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>
>
> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
> wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
> it....RODALE.
>
> Do a bit of reading about the author, who has several websites that
> will sell you all sorts of things.

Robert Rodale is dead.

Just sayin'.

;-)

So is his father J.I. Rodale who founded the business.

MartyB

Cindy Fuller wrote:
>
> How can wheat make you fat and anger your digestive tract at the same
> time???

One way is the self innoculation effect. People tend to have more of
what they are "allergic" to. It's why so many alcohols test as
intolerant of yeast.

When I eat wheat I binge. The part of my digestive track it angers is
the top part not the bottom part.

> the number of people on the gluten-free bandwagon far exceed the actual
> number who have a physiological reaction to the protein.

To me that's largely because low carbing is far more beneficial than
most people believe but there was a low carb fad a decade ago where
people ate junk products thinking they were eating low carb. It gave
the style a bad reputation. Plus the fact that low fat fanatics bad
mouth any eating that does not match their religious inclinations.

And so a lot of people scapegoat gluten or wheat, end up eating lower
carb,end up feeling better, credit the wrong thing.

Do I think modern wheat is more problematic than ancient wheat? Yes.
Do I think the numbers add up? No. I think the numbers say that very
many who are now going gluten free get their benefit from the lower carb
count.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:29:11 -0600, "Nunya Bidnits"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>>
>>>
>>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>>
>>
>> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
>> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book about
>> wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
>> it....RODALE.
>>
>> Do a bit of reading about the author, who has several websites that
>> will sell you all sorts of things.
>
>Robert Rodale is dead.
>
>Just sayin'.
>
>;-)
>
>So is his father J.I. Rodale who founded the business.
>
>MartyB
>

I made no mention of Robert Rodale, but of the Rodale company, which
is still functioning.

My comments were about a Rodale web site touting the book they
published. In other words, consider the source...duh

Boron

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:32:37 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Plus the fact that low fat fanatics bad
> mouth any eating that does not match their religious inclinations.

I think you're being too defensive. The low fat campers who are
cardiac patients or married to one try to limit saturated fats (animal
fats and coconut oil in particular) to 18-20 grams a day, but low
carbers (here) always try to turn it into an all fats are bad fight
when that's not the case.

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sf wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:13:03 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I would have scoffed, too, except we have a friend who was diagnosed
>> with a gluten sensitivity, and has eliminated all her gi tract
>> symptoms by eliminating gluten. Why would so many people suddenly not
>> be able to eat wheat, the staff of life for millenia? The possibility
>> that wheat is no longer wheat provides a neat explanation for this
>> sudden, widespread, sensitivity.
>
> I am not a farmer or a scientist, but I think wheat has been bred for
> more gluten content over the years so the level is higher than it was
> in the past. We also have a lot more exposure to it. Just look at
> all the products that have gluten added to them. Nowadays you have to
> read the label and know all the words they use for it besides
> "gluten".

I think this is the most important point. There are a lot of folks with
a mild-to-moderate intolerance for gluten, folks who would have been
fine 50 or 100 years ago but today develop gluten allergy symptoms.
It's possible to argue that the gluten intolerance itself has been
brought on by the over-abundance of gluten in the foods we eat.

My wife is one such person - she always had GI issues but, since
eliminating gluten from her diet, her stomach feels better and she feels
better overall. My wife has also - starting out not being more than a
few lbs. over her ideal weight - lost a few pounds, something she'd been
trying to do, unsuccessfully, for the last few years.

I, OTOH, can eat as much of the stuff as I like and it suits me just
fine.

For my wife, the transition to a gluten-free diet has been an
incovenience but not a major one - rice is still fine for her, and
things like wraps made with corn or rice tortillas work great.

-S-

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:33:53 -0500, "Steve Freides" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> For my wife, the transition to a gluten-free diet has been an
> incovenience but not a major one - rice is still fine for her, and
> things like wraps made with corn or rice tortillas work great.

My DIL seems to have made the transition pretty well too. There are
so many good things to eat that are gluten free that they don't feel
deprived... and she cheats occasionally when I invite everyone over
for home made pizza. I try not to make gluten laden desserts, but
they're still decadent... like flourless chocolate cake.

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Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:29:11 -0600, "Nunya Bidnits"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>>>
>>>
>>> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
>>> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book
>>> about wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
>>> it....RODALE.
>>>
>>> Do a bit of reading about the author, who has several websites that
>>> will sell you all sorts of things.
>>
>> Robert Rodale is dead.
>>
>> Just sayin'.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> So is his father J.I. Rodale who founded the business.
>>
>> MartyB
>>
>
> I made no mention of Robert Rodale, but of the Rodale company, which
> is still functioning.
>
> My comments were about a Rodale web site touting the book they
> published. In other words, consider the source...duh
>
> Boron

Then who was the "he" you referenced, since the author of the work in
question is female? It certainly read like a reference to one of the Rodales
who in spite of being dead have enormous influence on the shape of the
current business.

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:08:50 -0600, "Nunya Bidnits"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:29:11 -0600, "Nunya Bidnits"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rodale.com/wheat-free-diet-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you could help clear up some ailments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So...Rodale runs an article touting what an author (a cardiologist,
>>>> with no specialization in nutrition or botany) says in his book
>>>> about wheat...said book also happens to be published by...wait for
>>>> it....RODALE.
>>>>
>>>> Do a bit of reading about the author, who has several websites that
>>>> will sell you all sorts of things.
>>>
>>> Robert Rodale is dead.
>>>
>>> Just sayin'.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> So is his father J.I. Rodale who founded the business.
>>>
>>> MartyB
>>>
>>
>> I made no mention of Robert Rodale, but of the Rodale company, which
>> is still functioning.
>>
>> My comments were about a Rodale web site touting the book they
>> published. In other words, consider the source...duh
>>
>> Boron
>
>Then who was the "he" you referenced, since the author of the work in
>question is female? It certainly read like a reference to one of the Rodales
>who in spite of being dead have enormous influence on the shape of the
>current business.
>
Wheat Belly is written by William Davis. He is the author to whom I
refer.

I don't care who wrote up the book review. The reviewer works for
Rodale, or is paid by them. Wheat Belly is published by Rodale.

What any of the company founders or CEOs WERE is of no import. There
was no reference to anything other than the company itself.

If I were to refer to Ford making a car today, I find it hard to
believe anyone is thinking first of Henry or Edsel rather than the
company.

Boron

In article <jfe7ol$6ms$[email protected]>,
Doug Freyburger <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> When I eat wheat I binge. The part of my digestive track it angers is
> the top part not the bottom part.
>
The top part of your digestive tract (small intestine) is where the vast
majority of nutrient and Calorie absorption occurs.

Cindy

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