Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 30

Thread: Meat Sting

  1. #1
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Meat Sting

    HEB, frustrated with meat thefts, and knowledge that stolen meat was
    being sold to individuals and restaurants, supplied Austin police with
    meat worth in excess of $5,000 for undercover officers to approach
    businesses and offer it for sale representing it as stolen from HEB.

    Three out of 25 restaurants took the "bait". Not only once, but many
    times over and over again. To the tune of $5,000 worth over a 3-month
    period. The restaurants were allegedly cooking it up and serving it
    to patrons.

    All three restaurants closed down upon having their health department
    permits revoked by the Health Department while the police there to
    make the arrests.

    The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    for their "hard work"?

    -sw

  2. #2
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:21:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

    > The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    > everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    > for their "hard work"?


    I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.

    Nobody wants to take a stab at it?

    -sw

  3. #3
    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    Steve wrote:

    >> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >> for their "hard work"?

    >
    > I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >
    > Nobody wants to take a stab at it?


    It was obvious: Why not nab the perpetrators immediately? Why keep stealing
    meat?

    Bob



  4. #4
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:28:05 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:21:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    >> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >> for their "hard work"?

    >
    >I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >
    >Nobody wants to take a stab at it?


    entrapment was my first thought but that seemed too easy. after
    re-reading I wonder how they knew who it was being sold to
    restaurants. Why did the health department wait 3 months to shut them
    down. Why did they let them take the bait more than once? etc.

    There's probably more turds in this punchbowl.

    Lou

  5. #5
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:32:59 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

    > Steve wrote:
    >
    >>> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >>> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >>> for their "hard work"?

    >>
    >> I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >>
    >> Nobody wants to take a stab at it?

    >
    > It was obvious: Why not nab the perpetrators immediately? Why keep stealing
    > meat?


    Close, but no cigar. The cops weren't stealing meat, and who are the
    perps?

    Why allow restaurants to continue serving the public possibly
    contaminated meat bought from street people "that was often stuffed
    down their pants"?

    Nobody else in the local discussion group thought of it either. Just
    like the police, most people overlooked the duration of the sting and
    what could have happened in the meantime. If I got sick at one of
    those restaurants last month, I did while the police had full
    knowledge that the restaurant was illegally buying meat from street
    people that represented a health hazard.

    -sw

    -sw

  6. #6
    Pico Rico Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting


    "Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1fu3n3txo0n1x$.[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:21:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    >> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >> for their "hard work"?

    >
    > I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >
    > Nobody wants to take a stab at it?
    >
    > -sw


    I am sure the cops, working with the D.A., can set up a sting that avoids
    the defense of entrapment.

    My immediate thought was that was not much meat for multiple restaurants,
    over several months time.

    My guess is they wanted to catch as many crooks as possible (maybe getting
    referrals from the first satisfied customers), and to show it is a pattern
    which would make the Health Code violations stick better.



  7. #7
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:39:20 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:28:05 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:21:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    >>
    >>> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >>> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >>> for their "hard work"?

    >>
    >>I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >>
    >>Nobody wants to take a stab at it?

    >
    > entrapment was my first thought but that seemed too easy. after
    > re-reading I wonder how they knew who it was being sold to
    > restaurants. Why did the health department wait 3 months to shut them
    > down. Why did they let them take the bait more than once? etc.


    They knew it being sold to those particular three restaurants by
    people they had arrested for shoplifting. But they did try about 20
    others "just to be fair".

    But yes - why continue to allow restaurants to sell possibly
    contaminated meat for 3 months. I doubt the Health Department was
    notified until pretty late in the "game". If they were in on it the
    whole time, then they have a problem.

    -sw

  8. #8
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:32:59 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
    >
    > > Steve wrote:
    > >
    > >>> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    > >>> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    > >>> for their "hard work"?
    > >>
    > >> I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    > >>
    > >> Nobody wants to take a stab at it?

    > >
    > > It was obvious: Why not nab the perpetrators immediately? Why keep stealing
    > > meat?

    >
    > Close, but no cigar. The cops weren't stealing meat, and who are the
    > perps?
    >
    > Why allow restaurants to continue serving the public possibly
    > contaminated meat bought from street people "that was often stuffed
    > down their pants"?
    >
    > Nobody else in the local discussion group thought of it either. Just
    > like the police, most people overlooked the duration of the sting and
    > what could have happened in the meantime. If I got sick at one of
    > those restaurants last month, I did while the police had full
    > knowledge that the restaurant was illegally buying meat from street
    > people that represented a health hazard.


    Nowhere in the thread had you mentioned "street people" or provided a
    URL. I thought everybody knew that most store theft, especially
    anything large scale like this, was done by employees. It never entered
    my mind that this was about customer theft.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  9. #9
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:57:54 -0700, Pico Rico wrote:

    > "Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1fu3n3txo0n1x$.[email protected]..
    >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:21:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    >>
    >>> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >>> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >>> for their "hard work"?

    >>
    >> I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >>
    >> Nobody wants to take a stab at it?
    >>
    >> -sw

    >
    > I am sure the cops, working with the D.A., can set up a sting that avoids
    > the defense of entrapment.
    >
    > My immediate thought was that was not much meat for multiple restaurants,
    > over several months time.
    >
    > My guess is they wanted to catch as many crooks as possible (maybe getting
    > referrals from the first satisfied customers), and to show it is a pattern
    > which would make the Health Code violations stick better.


    These were really low-end, low-rent restaurants. All in a bad part of
    town. They really don't have any employees besides owners and family.
    In the case of Sam's BBQ, it was semi-legendary in town. Patronized
    mostly by honkies.

    but the health department had it's case with the first buy. they are
    the final authority. There are no lawyers to plead your case. If
    they say you're screwed, then you're pretty much screwed.

    This is just a case of cops gone greedy for a felony "trafficking
    stolen property" charge rather than just "receiving stolen property".

    -sw

    -sw

  10. #10
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:

    >This is just a case of cops gone greedy for a felony "trafficking
    >stolen property" charge rather than just "receiving stolen property".


    That's right. Take the actual crime committed, and find the
    most serious crime on the books that resembles the actual crime.
    Then, multiply by ten the number of instances of the crime
    to determine the number of counts to charge them with.

    Steve

  11. #11
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:38:14 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

    > Nowhere in the thread had you mentioned "street people" or provided a
    > URL. I thought everybody knew that most store theft, especially
    > anything large scale like this, was done by employees. It never entered
    > my mind that this was about customer theft.


    It never occurred to me that people would assume it was an inside job.
    A grocery store wouldn't sponsor an external sting if it was inside
    job. They would document it in store and then call the cops to bust
    their employees. It's much easier to watch employees than customers.
    And "Back door" access is pretty closely guarded nowadays. As well as
    cash register no-scans.

    Here's the latest story, I think.

    http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_st...-theft-scandal

    Yesterday it was $5,000 worth of meat. Typical. Just like that 50
    acre Fresno pot bust today: Each plant is worth $4,000? I call
    bull****. Next it'll be 5 acres and $500.

    -sw

  12. #12
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:50:54 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

    > Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>This is just a case of cops gone greedy for a felony "trafficking
    >>stolen property" charge rather than just "receiving stolen property".

    >
    > That's right. Take the actual crime committed, and find the
    > most serious crime on the books that resembles the actual crime.
    > Then, multiply by ten the number of instances of the crime
    > to determine the number of counts to charge them with.


    I never heard the X10 rule, but most of those will get dismissed
    before any trial. A jury and trial judge don't have the time or
    patience to wedd though 10 bull**** charges and it looks bad. And if
    the DA gets too greedy a jury may not find you guilty of the highest
    charge, but would have found them guilty of a lesser charge.

    But nowadays they seem to charging people with murder one and murder
    two, for instance. I thought you only got to pick one charge per
    instance of crime. There were no "consolation" charges if you don't
    get the highest charge. I don't know how that works.

    -sw

  13. #13
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    > HEB, frustrated with meat thefts, and knowledge that stolen meat was
    > being sold to individuals and restaurants, supplied Austin police with
    > meat worth in excess of $5,000 for undercover officers to approach
    > businesses and offer it for sale representing it as stolen from HEB.


    Keeping a close eye on the "meat crime" blotter, eh?

  14. #14
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:53:00 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:32:59 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
    >
    >> Steve wrote:
    >>
    >>>> The sting lasted *3 months*. What is wrong with this picture that
    >>>> everybody has seemed to overlook in their haste to congratulate police
    >>>> for their "hard work"?
    >>>
    >>> I mean, besides any possible issues of entrapment.
    >>>
    >>> Nobody wants to take a stab at it?

    >>
    >> It was obvious: Why not nab the perpetrators immediately? Why keep stealing
    >> meat?

    >
    > Close, but no cigar. The cops weren't stealing meat, and who are the
    > perps?
    >
    > Why allow restaurants to continue serving the public possibly
    > contaminated meat bought from street people "that was often stuffed
    > down their pants"?
    >
    > Nobody else in the local discussion group thought of it either. Just
    > like the police, most people overlooked the duration of the sting and
    > what could have happened in the meantime. If I got sick at one of
    > those restaurants last month, I did while the police had full
    > knowledge that the restaurant was illegally buying meat from street
    > people that represented a health hazard.
    >
    > -sw


    i'm not sure how you got from 'stolen from HEB' to 'stolen by street people
    from HEB.' surely you don't go to a restaurant and offer them one or two
    steaks (or whatever a pantload is).

    as for the duration of the sting, i would assume it went to establishing a
    'pattern of behavior.'

    your pal,
    blake

  15. #15
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:58:24 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:38:14 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
    >
    >> Nowhere in the thread had you mentioned "street people" or provided a
    >> URL. I thought everybody knew that most store theft, especially
    >> anything large scale like this, was done by employees. It never entered
    >> my mind that this was about customer theft.

    >
    > It never occurred to me that people would assume it was an inside job.
    > A grocery store wouldn't sponsor an external sting if it was inside
    > job. They would document it in store and then call the cops to bust
    > their employees. It's much easier to watch employees than customers.
    > And "Back door" access is pretty closely guarded nowadays. As well as
    > cash register no-scans.
    >
    > Here's the latest story, I think.
    >
    > http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_st...-theft-scandal


    hard to say. first the cite says

    According to court records, H-E-B Loss Prevention teams found that beef,
    chicken and pork was being stolen from its stores in such quantities, and
    with such frequency, as to indicate an organized effort.

    ....and then it says

    According to an arrest affidavit, suspects said they would carry the stolen
    meat ┤out of the store down their pantsí, then take the bus to deliver the
    meat to the restaurants.

    ....but neither really sounds like street people to me. i'm just puzzled
    where you're getting 'health hazard' from.

    your pal,
    blake

  16. #16
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting


    "blake murphy" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > According to an arrest affidavit, suspects said they would carry the
    > stolen
    > meat ┤out of the store down their pantsí, then take the bus to deliver the
    > meat to the restaurants.
    >
    > ...but neither really sounds like street people to me. i'm just puzzled
    > where you're getting 'health hazard' from.
    >
    > your pal,
    > blake


    I don't see that they established a health hazard, but the potential is
    there. If it was a 15 minute bus ride, no big deal, but if the stuff was
    taken home, left out all night, delivered the next day, yes, there is one.
    Usually, the meat is wrapped and would still be clean.


  17. #17
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:35:54 -0400, blake murphy wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:58:24 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:38:14 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
    >>
    >>> Nowhere in the thread had you mentioned "street people" or provided a
    >>> URL. I thought everybody knew that most store theft, especially
    >>> anything large scale like this, was done by employees. It never entered
    >>> my mind that this was about customer theft.

    >>
    >> It never occurred to me that people would assume it was an inside job.
    >> A grocery store wouldn't sponsor an external sting if it was inside
    >> job. They would document it in store and then call the cops to bust
    >> their employees. It's much easier to watch employees than customers.
    >> And "Back door" access is pretty closely guarded nowadays. As well as
    >> cash register no-scans.
    >>
    >> Here's the latest story, I think.
    >>
    >> http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_st...-theft-scandal

    >
    > hard to say. first the cite says
    >
    > According to court records, H-E-B Loss Prevention teams found that beef,
    > chicken and pork was being stolen from its stores in such quantities, and
    > with such frequency, as to indicate an organized effort.
    >
    > ...and then it says
    >
    > According to an arrest affidavit, suspects said they would carry the stolen
    > meat ┤out of the store down their pantsí, then take the bus to deliver the
    > meat to the restaurants.
    >
    > ...but neither really sounds like street people to me. i'm just puzzled
    > where you're getting 'health hazard' from.


    People looking to make a quick 5 bucks. Several other stories cite an
    "informant" (arrestee) who told them he sells the meat to those three
    restaurants. These aren't people with daytime jobs, I'd bet.

    You don't think putting meat down someone else's pants is a health
    hazard, not to mention it being out of refrigeration for up to 2
    hours?

    -sw

  18. #18
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:29:19 -0400, blake murphy wrote:

    > i'm not sure how you got from 'stolen from HEB' to 'stolen by street people
    > from HEB.' surely you don't go to a restaurant and offer them one or two
    > steaks (or whatever a pantload is).


    Read all the stories and look at all the newscasts on the subject.
    That is exactly what they are doing. And I have seen people stealing
    meat. Drunks that ride the bus.

    -sw

  19. #19
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:05:06 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:39:20 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:


    >> entrapment was my first thought but that seemed too easy. after
    >> re-reading I wonder how they knew who it was being sold to
    >> restaurants. Why did the health department wait 3 months to shut them
    >> down. Why did they let them take the bait more than once? etc.

    >
    >They knew it being sold to those particular three restaurants by
    >people they had arrested for shoplifting. But they did try about 20
    >others "just to be fair".
    >
    >But yes - why continue to allow restaurants to sell possibly
    >contaminated meat for 3 months. I doubt the Health Department was
    >notified until pretty late in the "game". If they were in on it the
    >whole time, then they have a problem.


    Let us know how this turns out if you hear more. I'm very curious.

    Around here a restaurant can't just buy food from someone off the
    street. Purchasing stolen goods was not the only crime the restaurant
    made.

    Lou

  20. #20
    ViLco Guest

    Default Re: Meat Sting

    Il 30/07/2011 06:38, Dan Abel ha scritto:

    > Nowhere in the thread had you mentioned "street people"


    Talking about meat stealers, who would you expect them to be?
    --
    Vilco
    And the Family Stone
    baconnaise, because ALL must taste like bacon

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32