Thread: McRib - It Gets Worse

On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>
>

The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.

"dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>
>>
>
> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.

Of course it is hell. And the hellish methods were around long ago.
The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
used in a mass extinction mode.

Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.

pavane

On 11/8/2011 4:41 PM, pavane wrote:
> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
>> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
>> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
>> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
>> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>
> Of course it is hell. And the hellish methods were around long ago.
> The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
> cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
> used in a mass extinction mode.
>
> Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
> pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
> Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.

Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.

>
> pavane
>
>

On Nov 8, 9:13*pm, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> On 11/8/2011 4:41 PM, pavane wrote:
>
>
>
> > "dsi1"<d...@eternal-september.invalid> *wrote in message
> >news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
> >> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> >>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>
> >>>http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...ellish-methods....
>
> >> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
> >> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
> >> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
> >> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>
> > Of course it is hell. *And the hellish methods were around long ago.
> > The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
> > cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
> > used in a mass extinction mode.
>
> > Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
> > pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
> > Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.
>
> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
> barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.
>
>
>
> > pavane

A McRib is NOT a barbeque pork sandwich though. It's a well processed
hunk of pigmeat slathered in a sweet sauce sandwich! There's nothing
BBQ about it!

John Kuthe...

On 11/8/2011 9:41 PM, pavane wrote:
> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
>> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
>> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
>> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
>> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>
> Of course it is hell. And the hellish methods were around long ago.
> The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
> cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
> used in a mass extinction mode.
>
> Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
> pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
> Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.

Well said!! Some of us might still eat meat, but we should have evolved
enough by now to not cause suffering for it. Just like I hope we
wouldn't invade a civilization and enslave the inhabitants. No
different IMO. I'm sure someone will correct me and say I'm wrong about
slavery in this day and age, and I wouldn't be surprised by it.
Enraged? Yes. Surprised, no.

Babbling.

In article <j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]>,
dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> > McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...methods-111600
> > 235.html
> >
> >
>
> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
> have a wonderful life.

Not everywhere.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

"dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>
>>
>
> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.

We can make our own reality and just because it was common at one time does
not mean it has to be now. There really is no reason why animals for
slaughter should be made to suffer. It does nothing for the bottom line to
not abuse them, or to not deny them water or to humanely euthanize them.
Kindness costs nothing and it is a moral obligation if we are to raise
animals for food.

Paul

"dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 11/8/2011 4:41 PM, pavane wrote:
>> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
>>> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
>>> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
>>> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
>>> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>>
>> Of course it is hell. And the hellish methods were around long ago.
>> The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
>> cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
>> used in a mass extinction mode.
>>
>> Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
>> pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
>> Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.
>
> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
> barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.


All sandwiches are innocent. It's the people making them that are the
problem. You'd wonder after all this why McDonalds has not learned a lesson
after being the subject of innumerable public boycotts and protestations
about the way they do business. Compliance is always cheaper yet they cut
corners at every turn just because they think they not only can but should.

Paul

On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:25:15 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>A McRib is NOT a barbeque pork sandwich though. It's a well processed
>hunk of pigmeat slathered in a sweet sauce sandwich! There's nothing
>BBQ about it!

One mans BBQ is another mans mildly-tomato-based watery semi-sauce.

On 11/8/2011 7:04 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> We can make our own reality and just because it was common at one time does
> not mean it has to be now. There really is no reason why animals for
> slaughter should be made to suffer. It does nothing for the bottom line to
> not abuse them, or to not deny them water or to humanely euthanize them.
> Kindness costs nothing and it is a moral obligation if we are to raise
> animals for food.
>
> Paul

I like that idea, it's a lot kinder to euthanize animals rather than
slaughter them. Here's Dr. Temple Grandin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNErsJNPzw

On 11/8/2011 7:09 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4eb9efd9$0$10947$[email protected]..
>> On 11/8/2011 4:41 PM, pavane wrote:
>>> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
>>>> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>>>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...111600235.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
>>>> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
>>>> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
>>>> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>>>
>>> Of course it is hell. And the hellish methods were around long ago.
>>> The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
>>> cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
>>> used in a mass extinction mode.
>>>
>>> Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
>>> pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
>>> Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.
>>
>> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
>> barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.
>
>
> All sandwiches are innocent. It's the people making them that are the
> problem. You'd wonder after all this why McDonalds has not learned a lesson
> after being the subject of innumerable public boycotts and protestations
> about the way they do business. Compliance is always cheaper yet they cut
> corners at every turn just because they think they not only can but should.
>
> Paul

Seems like it would make more sense to blame the real culprit. If I
purchase a Smithfield ham does this make me guilty of animal
mistreatment and handling too? I hope not cause I could sure go for a
ham and cheese sandwich right about now.

http://www.smithfield.com/products/


Yum!

On Nov 9, 12:04*am, meh <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:25:15 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >A McRib is NOT a barbeque pork sandwich though. It's a well processed
> >hunk of pigmeat slathered in a sweet sauce sandwich! There's nothing
> >BBQ about it!
>
> One mans BBQ is another mans mildly-tomato-based watery semi-sauce.

Barbecuing is a cooking method, not a sauce. Smoking is perhaps the
best method of barbecuing, with judicious charring by flames adding
beneficially to the cooking method of barbecuing.

Marinades and sauces are different.

John Kuthe...

On Nov 8, 11:09*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
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> news:4eb9efd9$0$10947$[email protected]..
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> > On 11/8/2011 4:41 PM, pavane wrote:
> >> "dsi1"<d...@eternal-september.invalid> *wrote in message
> >>news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
> >>> On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> >>>> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>
> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...ellish-methods....
>
> >>> The reality is that any animal raised to be slaughtered and eaten won't
> >>> have a wonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat was around long
> >>> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not
> >>> exist, it would still be hell to pay to be a chicken or pig or cow.
>
> >> Of course it is hell. *And the hellish methods were around long ago.
> >> The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obvious
> >> cruelty and see whether more humane methods exist and can be
> >> used in a mass extinction mode.
>
> >> Remember that 250 years ago it was "...hell to pay to be a chicken or
> >> pig or cow..." or person of African birth transported to Western slavery.
> >> Things can change, we must be aware and try to effect the changes.
>
> > Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
> > barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.
>
> All sandwiches are innocent. *It's the people making them that are the
> problem. *You'd wonder after all this why McDonalds has not learned a lesson
> after being the subject of innumerable public boycotts and protestations
> about the way they do business. *Compliance is always cheaper yet they cut
> corners at every turn just because they think they not only can but should.

Has Capitalism been given enough rope yet?
>
> Paul

--Bryan

dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
> barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.

Where did you get that notion? You have missed the point, or just didn't
read the article. The point is that McDonalds and Smithfield are lying to
the public about such conditions and McDonalds even gave Smithfield an
award.

Here, since you missed it:

"But what makes these allegations particularly "appalling" is that
Smithfield claims their animals are raised under "ideal" conditions, says
Joyce Chen of New York Daily News. The Humane Society is accusing the food
suppliers of "misleading its consumers," notably through a series of
PR-friendly videos called "Taking the Mystery out of Pork Production."
Meanwhile, McDonald's recently recognized the farm for its commitment to
animal care, even bestowing Smithfield with a "supplier sustainability"
award. "

Joyce Chen cite:
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtHTCE4...ticle-1.972107

If the link doesn't work you could always bother yourself to read the
article before commenting.

MartyB

On Nov 8, 9:41*pm, "pavane" <pav...@leisure.org> wrote:
> "dsi1" <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:j9cl1c$bvq$[email protected]..
>
> > On 11/8/2011 3:02 PM, NunyaBidnits wrote:
> >> McRib controversy: The pork supplier's 'hellish' methods:
>
> >>http://news.yahoo.com/mcrib-controve...ellish-methods....
>
> > The reality is thatanyanimal raised to be slaughteredand eaten won't> haveawonderful life. Hellish methods of raising meat wasaround long> before McRibs or McNuggets, or Big Macs existed. If McDonalds did not> exist, it would still be hell to pay to beachicken or pig or cow.
>
> Of course it is hell.*And the hellish methods werearound longago.The trick is to try to modify what we inherited, mollify the obviouscrueltyand see whether more humane methods existand can beused inamass extinction mode.
>
> Remember that 250 yearsago it was "...hell to pay to beachicken orpig or cow..." or person ofAfrican birth transported to Western slavery.Things canchange, we must beawareand try to effect the changes.
>
> pavane

Slaves from Africa, had a very hellish time crossing the ocean. They
were placed on slave decks. That is, a group would be placed laying
down(usually naked), on the floor. Then a wooden deck would be
slotted in about 24 inches above them. Another group of slaves would
be laid down on that deck. Then another deck would be slotted
in...etc. Horrible. I have seen it written that a slaver could be
smelled from very far away.
The only thing I do now, to minimize animal cruelty is to purchase
free run, or free range eggs. It's difficult to buy humanely raised/
slaughtered meat. I wish there would be more of these meats at the
local market.

On 11/9/2011 4:29 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> dsi1<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame a
>> barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.
>
> Where did you get that notion? You have missed the point, or just didn't
> read the article. The point is that McDonalds and Smithfield are lying to
> the public about such conditions and McDonalds even gave Smithfield an
> award.

I don't see the part where McDonalds is lying to the public. If you're
saying there's a conspiracy, where's the proof? The article certainly
implies that there's a conspiracy but doesn't really so any wrongdoing
on M's part. Do you think that because they gave Smithfield an award,
that they're mistreating animals? How does that work? It's a pretty lame
article. The headline is strictly for suckers.

>
> Here, since you missed it:
>
> "But what makes these allegations particularly "appalling" is that
> Smithfield claims their animals are raised under "ideal" conditions, says
> Joyce Chen of New York Daily News. The Humane Society is accusing the food
> suppliers of "misleading its consumers," notably through a series of
> PR-friendly videos called "Taking the Mystery out of Pork Production."
> Meanwhile, McDonald's recently recognized the farm for its commitment to
> animal care, even bestowing Smithfield with a "supplier sustainability"
> award. "
>
> Joyce Chen cite:
> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtHTCE4...ticle-1.972107
>
> If the link doesn't work you could always bother yourself to read the
> article before commenting.

My guess is that you should read it too. Both articles say that
Simthfield is responsible for poor treatment of animals, McDonalds and
it's pork sandwich are not.

>
> MartyB
>
>

dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 4:29 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> dsi1<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Things changing is fine with me. I just don't think we should blame
>>> a barbeque pork sandwich for a meat hell.
>>
>> Where did you get that notion? You have missed the point, or just
>> didn't read the article. The point is that McDonalds and Smithfield
>> are lying to the public about such conditions and McDonalds even
>> gave Smithfield an award.
>
> I don't see the part where McDonalds is lying to the public. If you're
> saying there's a conspiracy, where's the proof? The article certainly
> implies that there's a conspiracy but doesn't really so any wrongdoing
> on M's part. Do you think that because they gave Smithfield an award,
> that they're mistreating animals? How does that work? It's a pretty
> lame article. The headline is strictly for suckers.
>
>>
>> Here, since you missed it:
>>
>> "But what makes these allegations particularly "appalling" is that
>> Smithfield claims their animals are raised under "ideal" conditions,
>> says Joyce Chen of New York Daily News. The Humane Society is
>> accusing the food suppliers of "misleading its consumers," notably
>> through a series of PR-friendly videos called "Taking the Mystery
>> out of Pork Production." Meanwhile, McDonald's recently recognized
>> the farm for its commitment to animal care, even bestowing
>> Smithfield with a "supplier sustainability" award. "
>>
>> Joyce Chen cite:
>> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtHTCE4...ticle-1.972107
>>
>> If the link doesn't work you could always bother yourself to read the
>> article before commenting.
>
> My guess is that you should read it too. Both articles say that
> Simthfield is responsible for poor treatment of animals, McDonalds and
> it's pork sandwich are not.

Are you really that stupid? Nobody said McDonald's was directly abusing
animals. They are criticized for covering it up, not doing it.

Let me try one more time. See if you can grasp this concept. McDonalds
allegedly inspected these facilities, and has given Smithfield an award and
touted them as a humane, sustainable processor. Let me help you more. It
means they are liars, covering up severe animal abuse so as to bring a
product to market as cheaply as possible.

Most people find something wrong with that. You, OTOH, may still not even
understand the point, or you've decided to pretend you can't so as to be
deliberately obtuse and annoying.

MartyB

On 11/9/2011 8:07 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> Are you really that stupid? Nobody said McDonald's was directly abusing
> animals. They are criticized for covering it up, not doing it.
>
> Let me try one more time. See if you can grasp this concept. McDonalds
> allegedly inspected these facilities, and has given Smithfield an award and
> touted them as a humane, sustainable processor. Let me help you more. It
> means they are liars, covering up severe animal abuse so as to bring a
> product to market as cheaply as possible.
>
> Most people find something wrong with that. You, OTOH, may still not even
> understand the point, or you've decided to pretend you can't so as to be
> deliberately obtuse and annoying.
>
> MartyB
>
>

People going ga-ga over a pork sandwich is a little hard to comprehend
but it appears that there's other people that hate this little ole chunk
of pork slathered with gooey, too-sweet, barbecue sauce and everything
that it stands for. It's an interesting phenomenon. When did you first
notice this intense dislike for this sandwich? :-)

On Nov 9, 12:36*pm, dsi1 <d...@usenet-news.net> wrote:
....
> People going ga-ga over a pork sandwich is a little hard to comprehend
> but it appears that there's other people that hate this little ole chunk
> of pork slathered with gooey, too-sweet, barbecue sauce and everything
> that it stands for. It's an interesting phenomenon. When did you first
> notice this intense dislike for this sandwich? :-)

I hate and detest McCraps for everything it is, stands for and is the
bellwether for. FastFood is crap, pig slop, and I wish it would just
vanish. And McCraps more than any other business (and their pedophilic
clown!) have promulgated the horror of FastFood on of all people, our
CHILDREN!! Look at McCraps' business model and history of marketing!!

John Kuthe...