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  1. #21
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

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    Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:07:42 -0400, Dave Smith
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Was that the agreement about the crisis in the Balkans???? Oh no.
    >> That was when the British wanted them to come to a conference to
    >> discuss the problems but Austria was not interested. They were too
    >> buys trying to get Germany to threaten France so that they could
    >> move on the Balkans and not worry about the Russians. The Treaty of
    >> Versailles prohibited Germany from annexing Austria. I don't know
    >> what you expected Britain to do, or why you would expect them to do
    >> anything, since Austria was one of the main aggressors in the mess
    >> than turned into WWI.
    >>
    >> Is there any footage of Italians greeting the German soldiers as the
    >> Austrians were?

    >
    >
    > These Austrian revisionist views are not rare, of course, and the sins
    > of the fathers continued into the next generation and beyond insofar
    > as attitudes, admissions and actions about reparations. Modern
    > Germany, as a whole, has taken a much more public and ethical face-up
    > to the past than Austria.
    >
    > I have more than a passing interest in it, of course. My grandfather,
    > although Hungarian, lived in Vienna and emigrated from there, though
    > long before the war. And there are professors of ethics and history in
    > the immediate family, so these discussions are frequent.
    >
    > Really, it gets to be a sort of joke...like listening to some
    > Afrikaner defend apartheid or a Southerner talking about states rights
    > and the Civil War.
    >
    > Extreme nationalism, racism, bigotry - they are always around us. No
    > country is free of these attitudes. It sure is fun to watch this one
    > example of extremism implode, though. Ka-boom. All over the kitchen
    > walls.
    >


    He made a foul mess all right. After I read his posts, I had to bleach my
    eyeballs.

    Just sayin'.



  2. #22
    Boron Elgar Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:51:21 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:07:42 -0400, Dave Smith


    >> Extreme nationalism, racism, bigotry - they are always around us. No
    >> country is free of these attitudes. It sure is fun to watch this one
    >> example of extremism implode, though. Ka-boom. All over the kitchen
    >> walls.
    >>

    >
    >He made a foul mess all right. After I read his posts, I had to bleach my
    >eyeballs.
    >
    >Just sayin'.
    >

    Oh, I do not mind swearing in the least, as everyone around here has
    known for years and years, and I also rather enjoy creating colorful
    euphemisms to use instead of or around a well thought out
    incorporation of raunch.

    But really, his constant use of "****," "****," "****," was not just
    sexist, but had no flair, wit or intelligence.

    Besides...I kept getting the feeling that he really would have loved
    to have said instead "kike," "kike," "kike," but was too much of
    a...hmm...a pussy...to reveal his true attitude, which was evident in
    his denials about Austria during the war. I don't know...perhaps he
    was only following orders.

    Boron

  3. #23
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

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    Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:51:21 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:07:42 -0400, Dave Smith

    >
    >>> Extreme nationalism, racism, bigotry - they are always around us. No
    >>> country is free of these attitudes. It sure is fun to watch this one
    >>> example of extremism implode, though. Ka-boom. All over the kitchen
    >>> walls.
    >>>

    >>
    >> He made a foul mess all right. After I read his posts, I had to
    >> bleach my eyeballs.
    >>
    >> Just sayin'.
    >>

    > Oh, I do not mind swearing in the least, as everyone around here has
    > known for years and years, and I also rather enjoy creating colorful
    > euphemisms to use instead of or around a well thought out
    > incorporation of raunch.


    Language doesn't bother me in the least, except when "bad words" are
    censored. There are no "bad words", only words people want to stop you from
    using. OTOH unbridled obscenity dilutes the impact of otherwise potent
    words.

    What was foul was Kuettner's Aryan supremacist message of hate, bigotry, and
    lies.
    >
    > But really, his constant use of "****," "****," "****," was not just
    > sexist, but had no flair, wit or intelligence.


    Agreed, totally ham handed, evidence of a meltdown, an unfunny version of
    Lewis Black in a Gestapo uniform.

    >
    > Besides...I kept getting the feeling that he really would have loved
    > to have said instead "kike," "kike," "kike," but was too much of
    > a...hmm...a pussy...to reveal his true attitude, which was evident in
    > his denials about Austria during the war. I don't know...perhaps he
    > was only following orders.


    He seems to have wandered off. Probably busy polishing his SS insignias.



  4. #24
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 26/09/2012 10:12 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

    >>> You mentioned about your dad getting shot down before. It must make
    >>> for a very impressive story. You should write it up.

    >>
    >> I did.
    >> http://www.airmen.dk/pdfs/FirsttoSweden.pdf
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Wow. You must be very proud of him and all those wonderful people who
    > helped him.



    Yes, we are proud of him. He was very lucky. He was lucky to have
    landed in a freshly plowed field after bailing out so low, lucky to have
    had an extra crew member on board that night, so there were enough
    bodies to account for the whole crew, lucky not to have been in his
    regular position in the cockpit, lucky to have had help from good Danes
    along his route across the island, and lucky to have hooked up with the
    Resistance.

    We met a number of the people who helped him. Jyner and Sylvia Tjorn,
    Chris Hansen and a Lars Troen all came to visit at my parents house at
    various times in the 70s and 80s. We spent an evening with Jyner and
    Sylvia when we took Dad's ashes over for burial. We had a wonderful time
    and my brothers and I wanted to adopt them as grandparents. If I am not
    mistaken, Chris was the one who built the radio and he was later
    president of Bang and Olaffson <sp?>

    He got to do a lot of sightseeing in Copenhagen, and the Danish
    Resistance were known for photographing their exploits, which explains
    why there are photos of him with some of the Resistance workers. I
    don't remember if I mentioned in that article that the day they went to
    the police station to get ID papers (most of the police force was in the
    Resistance) Sylvia took him to lunch at the Hotel L'Angleterre, which
    was a billet for German officers. You might have seen that restaurant
    in the movie Counterfeit Traitor. There is a seen where the Germans spot
    the hero (William Holden) and gives chase, but dozens of Danes on
    bicycles block their way.


    >
    > This would make a great movie, you know.



    Indeed. It would make a great movie, and nothing would need to be
    changed. Unfortunately, the Stirling bomber would become a B-17 and the
    Canadian and British crew members would become Americans.


  5. #25
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 9/26/2012 4:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    > On 26/09/2012 10:12 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:


    >> This would make a great movie, you know.

    >
    >
    > Indeed. It would make a great movie, and nothing would need to be
    > changed. Unfortunately, the Stirling bomber would become a B-17 and the
    > Canadian and British crew members would become Americans.


    Why would Canadian movie makers do that?

    nancy


  6. #26
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:50636906$0$7386$[email protected] com:

    >> Indeed. It would make a great movie, and nothing would need
    >> to be changed. Unfortunately, the Stirling bomber would
    >> become a B-17 and the Canadian and British crew members would
    >> become Americans.

    >
    > Why would Canadian movie makers do that?


    They wouldn't. I think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.

    Why would they do that? Marketing, obviously. Also lots of US
    series shot in Canada (with some US actors headlining) are said
    to take place in the US, because that's where the source of
    financing is. When my daughter was living in Toronto, her area
    was popular and as many as forty tv shows could be shot around
    there including a fair number of US shows. More for Vancouver.

    Most of the series listed on the links below are said to be in
    the US but are not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ries_produced_
    in_Vancouver

    http://tinyurl.com/5s438eg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ries_produced_
    in_Toronto

    http://tinyurl.com/bor4j3d

    Hell, sometimes we even see the Canadian flag or recognizeable
    skyline.

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  7. #27
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 9/26/2012 5:54 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
    > Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:50636906$0$7386$[email protected] com:
    >
    >>> Indeed. It would make a great movie, and nothing would need
    >>> to be changed. Unfortunately, the Stirling bomber would
    >>> become a B-17 and the Canadian and British crew members would
    >>> become Americans.

    >>
    >> Why would Canadian movie makers do that?

    >
    > They wouldn't. I think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    > was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    > Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.
    >
    > Why would they do that? Marketing, obviously. Also lots of US
    > series shot in Canada (with some US actors headlining) are said
    > to take place in the US, because that's where the source of
    > financing is. When my daughter was living in Toronto, her area
    > was popular and as many as forty tv shows could be shot around
    > there including a fair number of US shows. More for Vancouver.
    >
    > Most of the series listed on the links below are said to be in
    > the US but are not.


    I know they shoot in Canada a lot for a few reasons. One of
    which is that it's lovely, but there are financial reasons as
    well.

    But it doesn't preclude Canadians from producing a film centered
    around Canadians, if it's good, people will pay. Even Americans.

    nancy

  8. #28
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 26/09/2012 6:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
    ere including a fair number of US shows. More for Vancouver.
    >>
    >> Most of the series listed on the links below are said to be in
    >> the US but are not.

    >
    > I know they shoot in Canada a lot for a few reasons. One of
    > which is that it's lovely, but there are financial reasons as
    > well.
    >
    > But it doesn't preclude Canadians from producing a film centered
    > around Canadians, if it's good, people will pay. Even Americans.



    The reality of the North American movie business is that it has to have
    American appeal, and military movies have to have the audience rooting
    for their own. I have seem way too many movies where Americans inserted
    into the plot. Once example is the The Bridge over the River Kwai, where
    William Holden played an American commando tasked with blowing up the
    bridge that was built by (mostly British) commandos. That part of the
    story is complete fiction. The bridge was bombed with air attacks.


  9. #29
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 9/26/2012 6:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    > On 26/09/2012 6:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
    > ere including a fair number of US shows. More for Vancouver.
    >>>
    >>> Most of the series listed on the links below are said to be in
    >>> the US but are not.

    >>
    >> I know they shoot in Canada a lot for a few reasons. One of
    >> which is that it's lovely, but there are financial reasons as
    >> well.
    >>
    >> But it doesn't preclude Canadians from producing a film centered
    >> around Canadians, if it's good, people will pay. Even Americans.

    >
    >
    > The reality of the North American movie business is that it has to have
    > American appeal, and military movies have to have the audience rooting
    > for their own.


    I don't think that's true, I think there are a lot of people who
    appreciate factual military shows. If the movie's very good, it
    would do well.

    > I have seem way too many movies where Americans inserted
    > into the plot. Once example is the The Bridge over the River Kwai, where
    > William Holden played an American commando tasked with blowing up the
    > bridge that was built by (mostly British) commandos. That part of the
    > story is complete fiction. The bridge was bombed with air attacks.


    What was the movie made in the 50s or something? I think movies
    have evolved.

    nancy

  10. #30
    spamtrap1888 Guest

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    On Sep 26, 2:54*pm, Michel Boucher <alsand...@g.mail.com> wrote:
    > Nancy Young <rjynlynos...@vverizon.net> wrote innews:50636906$0$7386$[email protected] s.com:
    >
    > >> Indeed. It would make a great movie, and nothing would need
    > >> to be changed. *Unfortunately, the Stirling bomber would
    > >> become a B-17 and the Canadian and British crew members would
    > >> become Americans.

    >
    > > Why would Canadian movie makers do that?

    >
    > They wouldn't. *I think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    > was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    > Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.


    Christ on a bicycle! Don't they teach history up in Canuckistan?

    Here, read the story of the capture of the U-505 and its two Enigma
    machines, under Chicago native, Captain Dan Gallery, in May 1944

    http://www.msichicago.org/whats-here...ifacts/enigma/

    You can visit it today, as people all over the world have for over 55
    years.


    >
    > Why would they do that? *Marketing, obviously.


    While it's true that the Brits captured an early, three rotor Enigma
    in 1941, the 42 capture provided two of the advanced four rotor
    machines.

    Interestingly, the British efforts to decode Enigma built upon work
    done by the Polish Cypher Bureau, which had cracked the three rotor
    Military enigma, but not the five rotor version.

  11. #31
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote in news:506373e5$0
    $7357$a826[email protected]:

    > But it doesn't preclude Canadians from producing a film centered
    > around Canadians, if it's good, people will pay. Even Americans.


    Canadians DO make films centered in Canada but with US films
    getting the majority of screens, it's hard to get seen except at
    the TIFF. In Québec, it's easier because there actually is a
    strong market for French-language films but they rarely get seen
    outside the province.

    I'm surprised, with what you say that you are unaware of recent
    anglo films such as Gunless, Bon Cop Bad Cop (ok, that's a
    bilingual film) and The Trotsky.

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  12. #32
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:50637e8f$0$7377$[email protected] com:

    >> I have seem way too many movies where Americans inserted
    >> into the plot. Once example is the The Bridge over the River
    >> Kwai, where William Holden played an American commando tasked
    >> with blowing up the bridge that was built by (mostly British)
    >> commandos. That part of the story is complete fiction. The
    >> bridge was bombed with air attacks.

    >
    > What was the movie made in the 50s or something? I think
    > movies have evolved.


    But audiences have regressed.

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  13. #33
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote in news:400686e4-1d5d-
    [email protected]:

    >> They wouldn't. ÿI think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    >> was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    >> Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.

    >
    > Christ on a bicycle! Don't they teach history up in Canuckistan?


    Not US history, no. Do they teach Canadian history in USAia?

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  14. #34
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 26/09/2012 7:37 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
    > spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote in news:400686e4-1d5d-
    > [email protected]:
    >
    >>> They wouldn't. ÿI think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    >>> was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    >>> Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.

    >>
    >> Christ on a bicycle! Don't they teach history up in Canuckistan?

    >
    > Not US history, no. Do they teach Canadian history in USAia?
    >

    0

    Holy cow. I had not realized that American history lessons were so all
    encompassing that they actually learn stuff like that in history class.
    Hell, most people don't even know who was on what side in the wars.
    Take a poll of people you know about whose side Italy was on in the two
    world wars. They might be confused, so you may have to break it down by
    date.

  15. #35
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On 9/26/2012 12:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
    >
    > I know they shoot in Canada a lot for a few reasons. One of
    > which is that it's lovely, but there are financial reasons as
    > well.


    Mostly it's financial - it's just cheaper to shoot up there. Some
    productions aren't possible if shot in the US. The downside is that the
    locations have a generic feel to it. It might look like the US but
    something's different. Mostly, it's not gritty enough - everything looks
    cleaner and clearer. OTOH, if you don't like grit, Canada might be the
    place for you. :-)

    >
    > But it doesn't preclude Canadians from producing a film centered
    > around Canadians, if it's good, people will pay. Even Americans.
    >
    > nancy



  16. #36
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On Sep 26, 4:37*pm, Michel Boucher <alsand...@g.mail.com> wrote:
    > spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote in news:400686e4-1d5d-
    > 4589-b378-70c55c8c9...@q5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com:
    >
    > >> They wouldn't. ÿI think he's thinking of movies like U-571 which
    > >> was an amalgam of two successful British missions to capture
    > >> Enigma machines but with Americans instead of British.

    >
    > > Christ on a bicycle! Don't they teach history up in Canuckistan?

    >
    > Not US history, no. *Do they teach Canadian history in USAia?
    >


    Sure. We had to read I Married the Klondike, the Autobiography of
    Duddy Kravitz, and Les Nègres blancs d'Amérique

  17. #37
    sf Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:42:32 -0400, Boron Elgar
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:31:04 +0200, "ViLco" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Boron Elgar wrote:
    > >
    > >> It is like everyone in France *after* WWII claiming to have been in
    > >> the Resistance during the war.

    > >
    > >Hey, don't forget Italy
    > >As W. Churchill said: "A strange people the Italians, one day the're 45
    > >millions of fascists and just the next day they're 45 millions of
    > >antifascists and partisans."


    > Indeed!


    It's survival mode... be agreeable to whoever it is that has invaded
    this time.


    >
    > Boron



    --
    I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

  18. #38
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:foM8s.206982$[email protected]:

    > Holy cow. I had not realized that American history lessons
    > were so all encompassing that they actually learn stuff like
    > that in history class. Hell, most people don't even know who
    > was on what side in the wars. Take a poll of people you know
    > about whose side Italy was on in the two world wars. They
    > might be confused, so you may have to break it down by date.


    Allies in WWI, Axis in WWII (then Allies again, except for the
    Republic of Salo).

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  19. #39
    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: For little Moron

    dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:k405fv$aiv$[email protected]:

    > It might look like the US but
    > something's different. Mostly, it's not gritty enough -
    > everything looks cleaner and clearer.


    Downtown Winnipeg can pass easily for downtown Chicago as the
    architecture is similar, and did in Chicago :-)

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


  20. #40
    Michel Boucher Guest

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    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote in news:6a2ef6c7-885c-
    [email protected]:

    >> Not US history, no. ÿDo they teach Canadian history in USAia?

    >
    > Sure. We had to read I Married the Klondike, the Autobiography of
    > Duddy Kravitz, and Les NŠgres blancs d'Am‚rique


    Ok, first of all, literature is NOT history, and second of all it
    is "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz" which leads me to think
    that you either read it perfunctorily or not at all.

    And did you read Nègres blancs d'Amérique in French? Or did you
    just not want to type the title in English?

    What about Félix-Antoine Savard and Félix Leclerc and Hubert Aquin?
    Not history either, but damned good literature.

    --

    Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
    from happening.

    -- Barbara Tober


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