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  1. #1
    Kent Guest

    Default For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef

    It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
    the night of the "Last Supper". George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
    cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
    published in 1961, says that he had beef[probably mutton], boiled in water
    seasoned with cinnamon, cardamon, allspice, nutmeg, bay, and garlic. He
    suggests this may have been the genesis of corned beef. George L. Herter
    wrote a now legendary series of books, including "How to Live with Bitch",
    and "George the Housewife" in addition to his three volumes of cookbooks.
    If you ever see any of these in a used book store, grab them. For the
    rec.food.cooking junkies they are a great nighttime read. Every cowboy,
    rancher, hunter, fisherman and farmer slept with the Herter's catalogue at
    his side when I was growing up. He was the first cousin of Christian
    Herter[Secretary of State under Eisenhower], and was my father's
    elementary and high school classmate.

    Take a look at and read the reviews at:
    http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar

    Happy St. Pat's, Happy Easter,

    Kent




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    Dave Bugg Guest

    Default Re: For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef

    Kent wrote:
    > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
    > water on the night of the "Last Supper".


    I've never heard that bread and water was all that was present. It was
    always presented that the food was typical of the Sabbath. The post was
    interesting.



  3. #3
    James Silverton Guest

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    Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:

    DB> Kent wrote:
    ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".

    DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.

    The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?


    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:cqgDj.8413$Id3.2411@trnddc07...
    > Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >
    > DB> Kent wrote:
    > ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    > ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
    >
    > DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    > DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    > DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
    >
    > The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?



    It was and that means wine, not water. Every Jew is obliged to drink four
    cups of wine though they allow grape juice as a substitute.

    Paul



  5. #5
    Dave Bugg Guest

    Default Re: For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef

    James Silverton wrote:
    > Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >
    >> Kent wrote:
    >>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    >>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".

    >
    >> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    >> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    >> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.

    >
    > The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?


    I think so.



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    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Dave Bugg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:vSgDj.10992$k92.4515@trndny06...
    > James Silverton wrote:
    >> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >>
    >>> Kent wrote:
    >>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    >>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".

    >>
    >>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    >>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    >>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.

    >>
    >> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?

    >
    > I think so.


    And then there was the last brunch.

    Paul



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    l, not -l Guest

    Default Re: For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef


    On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > And then there was the last brunch.
    >
    > Paul


    According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at Denny's
    where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless cup
    of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
    but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
    request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
    --
    Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

  8. #8
    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "l, not -l" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:6yhDj.1404$[email protected]..
    >
    > On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> And then there was the last brunch.
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
    > Denny's
    > where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
    > cup
    > of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
    > but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
    > request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day


    Ham and sausage? For Jews? I am thinking possibly you may be joking.

    Paul



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    cybercat Guest

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    "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:IAhDj.613$bN3.429@trnddc03...
    >
    > "l, not -l" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:6yhDj.1404$[email protected]..
    >>
    >> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> And then there was the last brunch.
    >>>
    >>> Paul

    >>
    >> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
    >> Denny's
    >> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
    >> cup
    >> of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
    >> but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
    >> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day

    >
    > Ham and sausage? For Jews? I am thinking possibly you may be joking.
    >
    > Paul
    >


    :

    That's me looking at you.



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    cybercat Guest

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    "l, not -l" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:6yhDj.1404$[email protected]..
    >
    > On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> And then there was the last brunch.
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
    > Denny's
    > where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
    > cup
    > of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
    > but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
    > request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
    > --

    hahaha!



  11. #11
    Janet Baraclough Guest

    Default Re: For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef

    The message <[email protected]>
    from "Kent" <[email protected]> contains these words:

    > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
    > the night of the "Last Supper". George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
    > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
    > published in 1961, says that he had beef[probably mutton], boiled in water
    > seasoned with cinnamon, cardamon, allspice, nutmeg, bay, and garlic. He
    > suggests this may have been the genesis of corned beef.


    Mutton is sheep meat.

    Janet.

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    jmcquown Guest

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    "l, not -l" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:6yhDj.1404$[email protected]..
    >
    > On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> And then there was the last brunch.
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
    > Denny's
    > where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
    > cup
    > of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,


    What, no bacon? Blasphemy!!

    > but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
    > request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
    > --

    Would have been wine. But even if they had water, did it have only 25
    calories?!!! LOL

    Jill <--gets a kick out of the ads for water with less calories. Funny,
    mine has none


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    Mark Allread Guest

    Default Re: For the "Last Supper" Garden of Gethsemene Beef

    James Silverton wrote:
    > Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >
    > DB> Kent wrote:
    > ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    > ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
    >
    > DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    > DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    > DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
    >
    > The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?
    >
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland
    >
    > E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

    As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
    the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
    Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
    bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
    in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of
    unleavened bread and a sip of wine).
    Not water. Wine.
    I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
    and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post,
    I was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.

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    Janet Wilder Guest

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    Dave Bugg wrote:
    > Kent wrote:
    >> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
    >> water on the night of the "Last Supper".

    >
    > I've never heard that bread and water was all that was present. It was
    > always presented that the food was typical of the Sabbath. The post was
    > interesting.
    >
    >

    It was a Passover Seder. They probably ate matzo

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
    Good Friends. Good Life

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    Kent Guest

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    "Mark Allread" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] t...
    > James Silverton wrote:
    >> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >>
    >> DB> Kent wrote:
    >> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    >> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
    >>
    >> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

    > As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
    > the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
    > Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
    > bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
    > in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of unleavened
    > bread and a sip of wine).
    > Not water. Wine.
    > I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
    > and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post, I
    > was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
    >
    >

    Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
    particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the phrase.
    It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the US. George
    Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.

    Kent



    Kent



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    jmcquown Guest

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    "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Mark Allread" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] t...
    >> James Silverton wrote:
    >>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >>>
    >>> DB> Kent wrote:
    >>> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    >>> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
    >>>
    >>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

    >> As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
    >> the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
    >> Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
    >> bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
    >> in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of unleavened
    >> bread and a sip of wine).
    >> Not water. Wine.
    >> I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
    >> and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post, I
    >> was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
    >>
    >>

    > Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
    > particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the phrase.
    > It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the US.
    > George Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.
    >
    > Kent
    >

    If you were trying to start a religious debate you failed miserably.


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    Kent Guest

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    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> "Mark Allread" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] t...
    >>> James Silverton wrote:
    >>>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
    >>>>
    >>>> DB> Kent wrote:
    >>>> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    >>>> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
    >>>>
    >>>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
    >>> As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
    >>> the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
    >>> Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
    >>> bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
    >>> in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of
    >>> unleavened bread and a sip of wine).
    >>> Not water. Wine.
    >>> I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
    >>> and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post,
    >>> I was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
    >> particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the
    >> phrase. It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the
    >> US. George Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.
    >>
    >> Kent
    >>

    > If you were trying to start a religious debate you failed miserably.
    >

    I'm not at all Jill. The "bread and water" came out of Herter's cookbook. I
    recalled in the middle of the night that I was given 1TB of red wine at my
    confirmation.

    Kent




  18. #18
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Food scientists prove that America was discovered by Hebrews! News

    On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" <kh6...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
    > the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
    > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
    >


    And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.

    >
    > published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
    >


    Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
    beef.

    Or do you mean that Jesus had some beef with Judas eating mutton?

    >
    > boiled in water
    >


    Yummee! He didn't turn it into wine, did he? Or did he just walk all
    over it?

    >
    > seasoned with cinnamon, cardamon, allspice,
    >


    And since allspice comes from Jamaica, this finally proves that
    America was first discovered and settled by us Hebrews many millenia
    ago. Mazel Tov! Guten Menschen!

    http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Pime_dio.html

    Allspice (Pimenta dioica [L.] Mer.)

    Origin: Jamaica, which is also the main exporter. Several other
    Central American states (e.g, México, Honduras) produce this spice,
    but their quality is considered inferior.

    >
    > nutmeg, bay, and garlic. He
    > suggests this may have been the genesis of corned beef. *George L. Herter
    > wrote a now legendary series of books, including "How to Live with Bitch",
    >


    A very popular manual in many prisons to this day.

    >
    > and "George the Housewife" in addition to his three volumes of cookbooks.
    > If you ever see any of these in a used book store, grab them. For the
    > rec.food.cooking junkies they are a great nighttime read. Every cowboy,
    > rancher, hunter, fisherman and farmer slept with the Herter's catalogue at
    > his side when I was growing up.
    >


    When was that? When I was growing up, most men preferred to sleep with
    their own wives or special others' wives. Or with George (see above).

    >
    > He was the first cousin of Christian
    > Herter[Secretary of State under Eisenhower], and was my father's
    > elementary and high school classmate.
    >
    > Take a look at and read the reviews at:http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar
    >


    Is it a Cognac then?

    >
    > Happy St. Pat's, Happy Easter,
    >
    > Kent
    >


    Thanks. But don't pass over Passover, the holiday celebrated here in
    America for many millenia.


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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Mar 16, 3:08*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > "Dave Bugg" <davebu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:vSgDj.10992$k92.4515@trndny06...
    >
    > > James Silverton wrote:
    > >> Dave *wrote *on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:

    >
    > >>> Kent wrote:
    > >>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
    > >>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".

    >
    > >>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
    > >>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
    > >>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.

    >
    > >> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?

    >
    > > I think so.

    >
    > And then there was the last brunch.
    >
    > Paul
    >


    LOL. But how would you know, Paul? You weren't there. Did Peter tell
    you? Did he pay you to say this?

  20. #20
    [email protected] Guest

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    On Mar 16, 3:54*pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
    > On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    >
    > > And then there was the last brunch.

    >
    > > Paul

    >
    > According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at Denny's
    > where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless cup
    >


    So big that Jesus almost drowned in it.

    >
    > of coffee.
    >


    Arabica no doubt. Mean cup of Java!

    Mary Magdalene had eggs over easy. She was stoned, as was Peter.

    http://www.thesaveloyfactory.com/pai...n-toast-01.jpg

    Judas secretely had H&H bagels with Nova Scotia lox and Trader Judas
    cream cheese.

    http://static.flickr.com/49/186175904_6dd89f369e.jpg

    He later secretely walked over to a French restaurant next door and
    had Iscargot for 30 bucks a pop, Simon said. Thomas preferred
    waffles. Peter and Andrew had fish.

    >
    >* Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
    > but that translation has not yet been confirmed.
    >


    This is baloney, Mark my words.

    St. Thomas too finds this very doubtful.

    Probably a copying typo. They misread "house swine" when the original
    read: "house wine". Jesus even said: "May he who is without Zin make
    the first toast!".

    Heavy fair. Matthew found it particularly taxing.
    >
    > *The water, served upon
    > request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
    >


    A homophobic Zionist lie. There was no water. Only wine. Zin, Nemiroff
    and Manischewitz by the shofar. Shofar - so good!

    >
    > Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
    >


    Ju, no?


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