Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 39

Thread: Lamb from the international foods grocer

  1. #1
    Bryan Guest

    Default Lamb from the international foods grocer

    I marinated shoulder cuts in a little lemon juice, dried oregano
    flakes, pressed garlic and fresh ground black pepper. I grilled them
    hot over charcoal. My gosh, it was good. At the supermarket, lamb is
    a specialty item, and twice the price I pay at Global Foods. I also
    grilled a beef sirloin. All three of us ate some of each. I was
    happy to see my son eat lamb, and even ask for seconds. Lamb is a
    healthy red meat. Goat--which I don't really like--is even
    healthier. The specific fatty acids one consumes really do have
    consequences for circulatory system health. I love bovine milk
    butter, but it is about the worst natural fat there is. I still use
    butter and cream from cows because I enjoy it so much, and because I
    avoid artificially hydrogenated fats, and am usually in ketogenisis,
    much of it gets burned off for fuel, and doesn't lead to bad HDL/LDL
    ratios.

    --Bryan

  2. #2
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 18, 7:03*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > I marinated shoulder cuts in a little lemon juice, dried oregano
    > flakes, pressed garlic and fresh ground black pepper. *I grilled them
    > hot over charcoal. *My gosh, it was good. *At the supermarket, lamb is
    > a specialty item, and twice the price I pay at Global Foods. *I also
    > grilled a beef sirloin. *All three of us ate some of each. *I was
    > happy to see my son eat lamb, and even ask for seconds. *Lamb is a
    > healthy red meat. *Goat--which I don't really like--is even
    > healthier. *The specific fatty acids one consumes really do have
    > consequences for circulatory system health. *I love bovine milk
    > butter, but it is about the worst natural fat there is. *I still use
    > butter and cream from cows because I enjoy it so much, and because I
    > avoid artificially hydrogenated fats, and am usually in ketogenisis,
    > much of it gets burned off for fuel, and doesn't lead to bad HDL/LDL
    > ratios.
    >
    > --Bryan


    How come every food related post of yours quickly degenerates into a
    discussion (I should say soliloquy) into the relative merits of fat
    healthfulness and then into your particular dietary habits??

    John Kuthe...

  3. #3
    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    John Kuthe wrote:
    > Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Goat--which I don't really like--


    I wish I could say this means more for me but it really means less
    demand therefore less supply.

    >> The specific fatty acids one consumes really do have
    >> consequences for circulatory system health. *I love bovine milk
    >> butter, but it is about the worst natural fat there is. *I still use
    >> butter and cream from cows because I enjoy it so much, and because I
    >> avoid artificially hydrogenated fats, and am usually in ketogenisis,
    >> much of it gets burned off for fuel, and doesn't lead to bad HDL/LDL
    >> ratios.

    >
    > How come every food related post of yours quickly degenerates into a
    > discussion (I should say soliloquy) into the relative merits of fat
    > healthfulness and then into your particular dietary habits??


    Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    the constant falsehoods.

  4. #4
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 19, 10:59*am, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > John Kuthe wrote:
    > > Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >> Goat--which I don't really like--

    >
    > I wish I could say this means more for me but it really means less
    > demand therefore less supply.
    >
    > >> The specific fatty acids one consumes really do have
    > >> consequences for circulatory system health. *I love bovine milk
    > >> butter, but it is about the worst natural fat there is. *I still use
    > >> butter and cream from cows because I enjoy it so much, and because I
    > >> avoid artificially hydrogenated fats, and am usually in ketogenisis,
    > >> much of it gets burned off for fuel, and doesn't lead to bad HDL/LDL
    > >> ratios.

    >
    > > How come every food related post of yours quickly degenerates into a
    > > discussion (I should say soliloquy) into the relative merits of fat
    > > healthfulness and then into your particular dietary habits??

    >
    > Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    > not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    > the constant falsehoods.


    Everyone claims to be an expert at what we should and shouldn't eat.
    This is gonna kill ya, then that's gonna kill ya. If everything we eat
    was gonna kill us, we'd all have been dead a long time ago. I'll tell
    ya what will kill ya, eating NOTHING! Ask any long time anorexic, if
    you can find one still alive.

    The human body is amazing at it's tolerance for abuse. And conversely
    we can do all the right things and eat all the right foods, and yet we
    still die. What's up with that?

    John Kuthe...

  5. #5
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    In article <jcnqgk$9t8$[email protected]>,
    Doug Freyburger <[email protected]> wrote:


    > Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    > not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    > the constant falsehoods.


    There's a lot of ranting and raving, but most of it has to do with
    restricting fat to a more reasonable amount. An oft quoted figure is
    30% of calories from fat, which of course leaves 70% of calories from
    carbs and protein. The thing with fat is that it is very calorie dense
    compared with carbs and protein.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  6. #6
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 19, 8:00*pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > In article <jcnqgk$9t...@dont-email.me>,
    > *Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    > > not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    > > the constant falsehoods.

    >
    > There's a lot of ranting and raving, but most of it has to do with
    > restricting fat to a more reasonable amount. *An oft quoted figure is
    > 30% of calories from fat, which of course leaves 70% of calories from
    > carbs and protein. *The thing with fat is that it is very calorie dense
    > compared with carbs and protein.


    Those are the FDA recommendations, yes, But ask Bryan and he will tell
    you how they are full of ****, and how he eats all the fat and protein
    he wants, but cuts carbs down to as close to zero as he can, and look
    how the weight is just falling off of him. Then he starts talking
    about the poison that transfats are, and glycemic indices of carbs and
    how cats are obligate carnivores and how if only he'd echewed the
    advice of his whore of a vet and not fed his cat any carbs how she'd
    have lived another n-years, maybe.

    ;-)

    John Kuthe...

  7. #7
    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    Dan Abel wrote:
    > Doug Freyburger <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    >> not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    >> the constant falsehoods.

    >
    > There's a lot of ranting and raving, but most of it has to do with
    > restricting fat to a more reasonable amount. An oft quoted figure is
    > 30% of calories from fat, which of course leaves 70% of calories from
    > carbs and protein.


    Those numbers lead to endless nagging relentless hunger in a goodly
    percentage of the population. In other words they are false propaganda.
    Worth trying to see if they work for you but also worth dropping like a
    hot craving if they don't.

    > The thing with fat is that it is very calorie dense
    > compared with carbs and protein.


    The thing with carbs is above some level they make many more hungry not
    less hungry. It's the insulin overreaction effect caused by haing been
    pressured into trying to eat low fat no matter how much hunger it
    triggers.

    The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true? Actually
    try it on yourself some time and clock when the hunger comes back.
    Wait until there is a little hunger. Eat 500 calories of pepperoni.
    Clock when the hunger returns. The next day eat 500 calories of the
    leanest turkey. Clock when the hunger returns.

  8. #8
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >
    > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true?


    I agree with you. It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    high carb meal.

    Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    eating:

    60-65% carbohydrates
    30-35% fat
    5% protein

    This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    diabetics.
    It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. Hence, the popularity of
    the Adkins Diet. I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    does work for short-term weight loss.

    Gary

  9. #9
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 6:19*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    > Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >
    > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > high carb meal.
    >
    > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > eating:
    >
    > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > 30-35% fat
    > 5% protein
    >
    > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > diabetics.
    > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later..
    > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > does work for short-term weight loss.


    You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    it? Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    should come from protein. Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. It does not do
    that. How about you quit blowing out your ass? Stick to posting
    about things you actually *know* something about.
    >
    > Gary


    --Bryan

  10. #10
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 6:33*am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 20, 6:19*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    >
    > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > high carb meal.

    >
    > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > eating:

    >
    > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > 30-35% fat
    > > 5% protein

    >
    > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > diabetics.
    > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long run butit
    > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > it? *Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > should come from protein. *Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. *It does not do
    > that.

    ....\

    Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!

    John Kuthe...

  11. #11
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    Bryan wrote:
    >
    > On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    > > Doug Freyburger wrote:
    > >
    > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true?

    > >
    > > I agree with you. It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > high carb meal.
    > >
    > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > eating:
    > >
    > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > 30-35% fat
    > > 5% protein
    > >
    > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > diabetics.
    > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. Hence, the popularity of
    > > the Adkins Diet. I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > it?


    It's a dangerous diet, imo, for the long term but good for quick weight
    loss.


    > Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > should come from protein.


    Food pyramid, my friend.

    > Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. It does not do
    > that.


    Ummmm....that's exactly what it does. If your body needs more sugar for
    fuel from lack of carbohydrates, it converts the fat (and extra protein)
    into sugars. Once the muscles are satisfied with the sugar fuel, all extra
    calories will convert into fat.


    > How about you quit blowing out your ass? Stick to posting
    > about things you actually *know* something about.


    I actually know quite a bit about what I'm talking about. Go to your local
    library and check out every book on nutrition that they have.

  12. #12
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    John Kuthe wrote:
    >
    > On Dec 20, 6:33 am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    > >
    > > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true?

    > >
    > > > I agree with you. It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > > high carb meal.

    > >
    > > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > > eating:

    > >
    > > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > > 30-35% fat
    > > > 5% protein

    > >
    > > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > > diabetics.
    > > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. Hence, the popularity of
    > > > the Adkins Diet. I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    > >
    > > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > > it? Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > > should come from protein. Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. It does not do
    > > that.

    > ...\
    >
    > Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    > physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    He just needs to educate himself on nutrition. I went on a strict 1000
    calorie a day diet once. I read all i could so those measly 1000 calories
    were the best ones.

  13. #13
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 7:51*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    > John Kuthe wrote:
    >
    > > On Dec 20, 6:33 am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > > On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    >
    > > > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > > > > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > > > high carb meal.

    >
    > > > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > > > eating:

    >
    > > > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > > > 30-35% fat
    > > > > 5% protein

    >
    > > > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > > > diabetics.
    > > > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snackinglater.
    > > > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, thebody has
    > > > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > > > > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long runbut it
    > > > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > > > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > > > it? *Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > > > should come from protein. *Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > > > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. *It does not do
    > > > that.

    > > ...\

    >
    > > Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    > > physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!

    >
    > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > He just needs to educate himself on nutrition. *I went on a strict 1000
    > calorie a day diet once. *I read all i could so those measly 1000 calories
    > were the best ones.


    Oh Bryan knows what modern medical and nutrition science teaches.He is
    firmly convinced that since he has Wikipedia that he now knows much
    more than the FDA and all medical and nutrition science knows, and
    that they are all WRONG!

    You know they type. The supplement and diet industries are full of
    them! ;-)

    John Kuthe...

  14. #14
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Diet and Carbs was Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    In article <jcpspc$dvg$[email protected]>,
    Doug Freyburger <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Dan Abel wrote:
    > > Doug Freyburger <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Because the endless and false propanganda against any and all fat has
    > >> not yet stopped so there's benefit to beating the drums in opposition to
    > >> the constant falsehoods.

    > >
    > > There's a lot of ranting and raving, but most of it has to do with
    > > restricting fat to a more reasonable amount. An oft quoted figure is
    > > 30% of calories from fat, which of course leaves 70% of calories from
    > > carbs and protein.

    >
    > Those numbers lead to endless nagging relentless hunger in a goodly
    > percentage of the population. In other words they are false propaganda.
    > Worth trying to see if they work for you but also worth dropping like a
    > hot craving if they don't.


    Good advice. My "secret" is to fill my stomach with fiber, namely salad
    and vegetables. I like a little fat with them, and maybe some protein.
    I'm not a fan of hunger.

    > > The thing with fat is that it is very calorie dense
    > > compared with carbs and protein.

    >
    > The thing with carbs is above some level they make many more hungry not
    > less hungry. It's the insulin overreaction effect caused by haing been
    > pressured into trying to eat low fat no matter how much hunger it
    > triggers.


    Good advice also. 30% fat from calories seems like an acceptable
    compromise, though. People who try to cut fat more than that find they
    can't maintain the diet. And again, if you restrict "white" carbs like
    white sugar, white flour and potatoes, you will get more fiber that
    helps slow the absorption of the carbs.

    > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true? Actually
    > try it on yourself some time and clock when the hunger comes back.
    > Wait until there is a little hunger. Eat 500 calories of pepperoni.
    > Clock when the hunger returns. The next day eat 500 calories of the
    > leanest turkey. Clock when the hunger returns.


    There's no substitute for fat. We need some, and it *does* work like
    you say.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  15. #15
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    the biggest problem bryan, and most people have is thinking that one size
    fits all... while as john said there are some actual biological functions,
    after those general concepts, each of us process and use things differently
    so saying there is only one way to eat is not only stupid i think it shows
    lack of concerns for others, when one forces their diet on family members it
    can cause health issues along with mental ones, Lee
    "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > John Kuthe wrote:
    >>
    >> On Dec 20, 6:33 am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> > On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > > Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger
    >> > > > from
    >> > > > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true?
    >> >
    >> > > I agree with you. It also delays hunger from coming back versus
    >> > > after a
    >> > > high carb meal.
    >> >
    >> > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for
    >> > > healthy
    >> > > eating:
    >> >
    >> > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    >> > > 30-35% fat
    >> > > 5% protein
    >> >
    >> > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    >> > > diabetics.
    >> > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking
    >> > > later.
    >> > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the
    >> > > body has
    >> > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. Hence, the
    >> > > popularity of
    >> > > the Adkins Diet. I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but
    >> > > it
    >> > > does work for short-term weight loss.
    >> >
    >> > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    >> > it? Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    >> > should come from protein. Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    >> > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. It does not do
    >> > that.

    >> ...\
    >>
    >> Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    >> physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!
    >>
    >> John Kuthe...

    >
    > He just needs to educate himself on nutrition. I went on a strict 1000
    > calorie a day diet once. I read all i could so those measly 1000 calories
    > were the best ones.




  16. #16
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    what gary? you want bryan to quit posting altogether? lol, Lee
    "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > Bryan wrote:
    >>
    >> On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    >> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    >> > > coming back longer than protein does. Don't think it's true?
    >> >
    >> > I agree with you. It also delays hunger from coming back versus after
    >> > a
    >> > high carb meal.
    >> >
    >> > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for
    >> > healthy
    >> > eating:
    >> >
    >> > 60-65% carbohydrates
    >> > 30-35% fat
    >> > 5% protein
    >> >
    >> > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    >> > diabetics.
    >> > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking
    >> > later.
    >> > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the
    >> > body has
    >> > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. Hence, the popularity
    >> > of
    >> > the Adkins Diet. I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but
    >> > it
    >> > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >>
    >> You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    >> it?

    >
    > It's a dangerous diet, imo, for the long term but good for quick weight
    > loss.
    >
    >
    >> Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    >> should come from protein.

    >
    > Food pyramid, my friend.
    >
    >> Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    >> claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. It does not do
    >> that.

    >
    > Ummmm....that's exactly what it does. If your body needs more sugar for
    > fuel from lack of carbohydrates, it converts the fat (and extra protein)
    > into sugars. Once the muscles are satisfied with the sugar fuel, all extra
    > calories will convert into fat.
    >
    >
    >> How about you quit blowing out your ass? Stick to posting
    >> about things you actually *know* something about.

    >
    > I actually know quite a bit about what I'm talking about. Go to your
    > local
    > library and check out every book on nutrition that they have.




  17. #17
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 7:25*am, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 20, 6:33*am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 20, 6:19*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    >
    > > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > > > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > > high carb meal.

    >
    > > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > > eating:

    >
    > > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > > 30-35% fat
    > > > 5% protein

    >
    > > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > > diabetics.
    > > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > > > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > > it? *Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > > should come from protein. *Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. *It does not do
    > > that.

    >
    > ...\
    >
    > Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    > physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!


    Fats ARE NOT converted into sugars. Period.
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    --Bryan

    --Bryan

  18. #18
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Fats ARE NOT converted into sugars. Period.


    Triglycerides are metabolized into glycerol and free fatty acids
    (lipolysis), and glycerol is metabolized into glucose (Gluconeogenesis).

    In other words fats are metabolized into sugars.



    Steve

  19. #19
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 7:56*am, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 20, 7:51*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > John Kuthe wrote:

    >
    > > > On Dec 20, 6:33 am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > > > On Dec 20, 6:19 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    >
    > > > > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hungerfrom
    > > > > > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > > > > > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > > > > high carb meal.

    >
    > > > > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > > > > eating:

    >
    > > > > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > > > > 30-35% fat
    > > > > > 5% protein

    >
    > > > > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > > > > diabetics.
    > > > > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > > > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > > > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > > > > > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > > > > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > > > > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > > > > it? *Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > > > > should come from protein. *Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > > > > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. *It does not do
    > > > > that.
    > > > ...\

    >
    > > > Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    > > > physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!

    >
    > > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > > He just needs to educate himself on nutrition. *I went on a strict 1000
    > > calorie a day diet once. *I read all i could so those measly 1000 calories
    > > were the best ones.

    >
    > Oh Bryan knows what modern medical and nutrition science teaches.He is
    > firmly convinced that since he has Wikipedia that he now knows much
    > more than the FDA and all medical and nutrition science knows, and
    > that they are all WRONG!
    >
    > You know they type. The supplement and diet industries are full of
    > them! ;-)


    In very limited amounts, fats are turned into sugars, but the
    overwhelming amount is turned into ketone, which burns just as well as
    glucose. Muscles burn ketones.
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    --Bryan

  20. #20
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Lamb from the international foods grocer

    On Dec 20, 7:25*am, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 20, 6:33*am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 20, 6:19*am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > Doug Freyburger wrote:

    >
    > > > > The thing with fat is that calorie for calorie it delays hunger from
    > > > > coming back longer than protein does. *Don't think it's true?

    >
    > > > I agree with you. *It also delays hunger from coming back versus after a
    > > > high carb meal.

    >
    > > > Right or wrong, I'm still a believer in the old food pyramid for healthy
    > > > eating:

    >
    > > > 60-65% carbohydrates
    > > > 30-35% fat
    > > > 5% protein

    >
    > > > This is ideal for running as an activity but certainly not ideal for
    > > > diabetics.
    > > > It's true though....eat a high fat dinner and you won't be snacking later.
    > > > The body uses sugars to fuel the muscles. With a high fat meal, the body has
    > > > to work harder to convert that fat into sugars. *Hence, the popularity of
    > > > the Adkins Diet. *I don't think it's very healthy in the long run but it
    > > > does work for short-term weight loss.

    >
    > > You don't even know how to SPELL Atkins, but you pass judgement on
    > > it? *Only an idiot would suggest that only FIVE PERCENT of calories
    > > should come from protein. *Plus, you again prove your cluelessness by
    > > claiming that the body converts fats into sugars. *It does not do
    > > that.

    >
    > ...\
    >
    > Um, no? Hmmmmm. Gee, I guess all those classes I took on biology,
    > physiology, pathophysiology etc. were WRONG then!


    http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembo...cogenesis.html Look
    familiar?
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    --Bryan


Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32