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    Victor Sack Guest

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    koko <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    > New Zeland and USA.


    The best lamb - and mutton - I have tasted has been from the Caucasus
    and the Middle East, but that was some years ago. Very little of it is
    exported, it seems. With so many Turks living in Germany, one can
    occasionally get good lamb or mutton in Turkish groceries or
    restaurants, with restaurants being a better bet. It used to be fairly
    easy to get very good mutton kebab, labelled as lamb usually, but very
    obviously mutton - and one that never tasted remotely gamey or musty, or
    even fatty - but now it's getting increasingly harder to find.

    Otherwise, the best lamb I know is pré-salé lamb from Normandy and
    Brittany - and also from Kent. Its production is minuscule, though, and
    90% of what is claimed to be pré-salé lamb is anything but. You can
    still buy it in the area if you know your way around, and you can still
    get it in good, expensive restaurants (which generally serve lamb from
    around Coutances, as other lamb is not nearly as good) - otherwise it is
    anything but easy to find. It is no different with Pauillac or Sisteron
    lamb, which can be very good, too.

    A lot depends on where you buy your lamb. If you buy it in the
    immediate area where it was raised, chances of getting good quality are
    much better. Otherwise, what you get are lambs who get shipped vast
    distances, usually with neither food nor water provided. This causes
    stress, which has a direct impact on the taste of the meat. In New
    Zealand and Australia, they may produce very good lamb, but what we get
    here in Europe - and probably what you get in America - is frozen, of
    course, and it almost always lacks the specific lamb taste, the aromatic
    spice of the best European lamb. Often, it seems to be almost a kind of
    generic meat, as does a lot of European-produced lamb.

    Victor

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    koko Guest

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    I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    American lamb would compare.

    I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.

    I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    broiled them to med rare.
    http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg

    To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg


    koko
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    updated 04/01

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    Steve Pope Guest

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    Victor Sack <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Otherwise, the best lamb I know is pré-salé lamb from Normandy and
    >Brittany - and also from Kent. Its production is minuscule, though, and
    >90% of what is claimed to be pré-salé lamb is anything but.


    I have heard of the salt lamb from Romney Marsh, Kent but
    despite a few dedicated efforts to obtain it while in England
    I have not yet come across it.

    Steve

  4. #4
    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:50:22 -0700, koko <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >American lamb would compare.
    >
    >I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >
    >I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >broiled them to med rare.
    >http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >
    >To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg


    Did you get your lamb at the farmer's market?
    >

    My mother raised sheep, so I had a lot of free lamb yearly. It was
    fabulous (they were a combination of field and alfalfa fed).


    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    mom peagram Guest

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    "koko" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    > New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    > the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    > New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    > It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    > American lamb would compare.
    >
    > I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    > them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    > marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    > While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >
    > I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    > broiled them to med rare.
    > http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >
    > To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    > just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    > http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >
    >
    > koko
    > --
    >
    > There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    > George Bernard Shaw
    > www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    > updated 04/01


    I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    still. Not enough lamb taste

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    phil..c Guest

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    koko wrote:
    > I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    > New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    > the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    > New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    > It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    > American lamb would compare.
    >
    > I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    > them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    > marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    > While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >
    > I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    > broiled them to med rare.
    > http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >
    > To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    > just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    > http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >
    >
    > koko
    > --
    >
    > There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    > George Bernard Shaw
    > www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    > updated 04/01



    But how would you rank the taste ?

    2 Which to your taste buds was the better flavour ?

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    phil..c Guest

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    Steve Pope wrote:
    > Victor Sack <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Otherwise, the best lamb I know is pré-salé lamb from Normandy and
    >> Brittany - and also from Kent. Its production is minuscule, though, and
    >> 90% of what is claimed to be pré-salé lamb is anything but.

    >
    > I have heard of the salt lamb from Romney Marsh, Kent but
    > despite a few dedicated efforts to obtain it while in England
    > I have not yet come across it.
    >
    > Steve

    If you do , wipe it off an apologise to the critter

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    Jean B. Guest

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    mom peagram wrote:
    >
    > "koko" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >> New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >> the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >> New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >> It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >> American lamb would compare.
    >>
    >> I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >> them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >> marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >> While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >>
    >> I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >> broiled them to med rare.
    >> http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >>
    >> To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >> just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >> http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >>
    >>
    >> koko
    >> --
    >>
    >> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    >> George Bernard Shaw
    >> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    >> updated 04/01

    >
    > I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    > still. Not enough lamb taste
    >

    Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.

    --
    Jean B.

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    mom peagram Guest

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    "phil..c" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:grq0c6$a8q$[email protected]..
    > koko wrote:
    >> I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >> New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >> the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >> New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >> It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >> American lamb would compare.
    >>
    >> I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >> them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >> marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >> While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >>
    >> I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >> broiled them to med rare.
    >> http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >>
    >> To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >> just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >> http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >>
    >>
    >> koko
    >> --
    >>
    >> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    >> George Bernard Shaw
    >> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    >> updated 04/01

    >
    >
    > But how would you rank the taste ?
    >
    > 2 Which to your taste buds was the better flavour ?


    New Zealand


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    mom peagram Guest

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    "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > mom peagram wrote:
    >>
    >> "koko" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>> I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >>> New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >>> the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >>> New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >>> It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >>> American lamb would compare.
    >>>
    >>> I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >>> them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >>> marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >>> While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >>>
    >>> I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >>> broiled them to med rare.
    >>> http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >>>
    >>> To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >>> just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >>> http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> koko
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    >>> George Bernard Shaw
    >>> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    >>> updated 04/01

    >>
    >> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    >> still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>

    > Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I want
    > lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.
    >
    > --
    > Jean B.


    Me too! I wanted to try mutton but just can't find it anywhere I am.


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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:46:35 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >mom peagram wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    >> still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>

    >Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    >want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.


    Lamb should taste like lamb, not mutton. Some of us think Aus lamb
    has more of a mutton flavor, not lamby at all.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    Jean B. Guest

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    mom peagram wrote:
    >
    > "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> mom peagram wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "koko" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>> I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >>>> New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >>>> the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >>>> New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >>>> It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >>>> American lamb would compare.
    >>>>
    >>>> I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >>>> them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >>>> marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >>>> While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >>>>
    >>>> I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >>>> broiled them to med rare.
    >>>> http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>> To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >>>> just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >>>> http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> koko
    >>>> --
    >>>>
    >>>> There is no love more sincere than the love of food
    >>>> George Bernard Shaw
    >>>> www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    >>>> updated 04/01
    >>>
    >>> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is
    >>> milder still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>>

    >> Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    >> want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jean B.

    >
    > Me too! I wanted to try mutton but just can't find it anywhere I am.
    >
    >

    I'd also like to try mutton, but I have never seen it. But I
    figure folks who don't like lamb should just eat other things.
    Don't make the lamb less flavorful to please them!

    --
    Jean B.

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    Jean B. Guest

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    sf wrote:
    > On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:46:35 -0400, "Jean B." <jbxyz@[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> mom peagram wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    >>> still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>>

    >> Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    >> want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.

    >
    > Lamb should taste like lamb, not mutton. Some of us think Aus lamb
    > has more of a mutton flavor, not lamby at all.
    >

    Egad! Now I am wondering whether the lamb I am serving tomorrow
    is going to take like mild lamb or like mutton. I just want
    flavorful lamb!!!

    --
    Jean B.

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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:54:29 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:46:35 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> mom peagram wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    >>>> still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>>>
    >>> Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    >>> want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.

    >>
    >> Lamb should taste like lamb, not mutton. Some of us think Aus lamb
    >> has more of a mutton flavor, not lamby at all.
    >>

    >Egad! Now I am wondering whether the lamb I am serving tomorrow
    >is going to take like mild lamb or like mutton. I just want
    >flavorful lamb!!!


    You'll be the judge of that.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

  15. #15
    Jean B. Guest

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    sf wrote:
    > On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:54:29 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> sf wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:46:35 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> mom peagram wrote:
    >>>>> I like New Zealand lamb. The Australian is milder and the US is milder
    >>>>> still. Not enough lamb taste
    >>>>>
    >>>> Thanks for this. I gather Icelandic lamb is also mild. Gee, if I
    >>>> want lamb, I want it to taste like lamb.
    >>> Lamb should taste like lamb, not mutton. Some of us think Aus lamb
    >>> has more of a mutton flavor, not lamby at all.
    >>>

    >> Egad! Now I am wondering whether the lamb I am serving tomorrow
    >> is going to take like mild lamb or like mutton. I just want
    >> flavorful lamb!!!

    >
    > You'll be the judge of that.
    >

    Yeah, we--or *I*--shall see. Fortunately, or unfortunately for
    assessment purposes, it is marinated. Maybe I need to gather up
    lamb from as many sources as possible and do a side-by-side
    comparison.

    --
    Jean B.

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    Victor Sack Guest

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    Steve Pope <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I have heard of the salt lamb from Romney Marsh, Kent but
    > despite a few dedicated efforts to obtain it while in England
    > I have not yet come across it.


    Most of it is probably bought by upmarket restaurants. Maybe some might
    end up at Borough Market in London, though?

    Victor

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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:10:00 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Maybe I need to gather up
    >lamb from as many sources as possible and do a side-by-side
    >comparison.


    A lamb tasting, sorta like a wine tasting you can chew. I LIKE! Call
    the media. Really! The food editor might love your idea write up a
    little story that you can post a link to here in rfc. See? I made
    you famous! No Charge. Just doing my part to help mankind.

    0
    --
    Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else
    to hold them.

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    Jean B. Guest

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    sf wrote:
    > On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:10:00 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Maybe I need to gather up
    >> lamb from as many sources as possible and do a side-by-side
    >> comparison.

    >
    > A lamb tasting, sorta like a wine tasting you can chew. I LIKE! Call
    > the media. Really! The food editor might love your idea write up a
    > little story that you can post a link to here in rfc. See? I made
    > you famous! No Charge. Just doing my part to help mankind.
    >
    > 0


    I don't know about calling the media, but maybe I will see if my
    thoughts make a good piece of writing. I actually did major in
    journalism, and one of my projects was writing an article on cold
    soups.

    --
    Jean B.

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    Steve Pope Guest

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    Victor Sack <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Steve Pope <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> I have heard of the salt lamb from Romney Marsh, Kent but
    >> despite a few dedicated efforts to obtain it while in England
    >> I have not yet come across it.


    >Most of it is probably bought by upmarket restaurants. Maybe some might
    >end up at Borough Market in London, though?


    We specifically have not seen it at Borough Market where
    we shop extensively. Either we have been there at the
    wrong times of year, or it doesn't meet some vendor requirement
    imposed by the market, or it is indeed in such short supply
    it doesn't make it there.

    Steve

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    modom (palindrome guy) Guest

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    On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:50:22 -0700, koko <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >I've been reading here the different opinions re: lamb from Australia,
    >New Zeland and USA. If I remember right, the general census was that
    >the American lamb was milder. The only lamb I've ever eaten was either
    >New Zeland or Australian spring lamb, chops or shanks.
    >It took me a while to learn to like lamb so I was interested in how
    >American lamb would compare.
    >
    >I found some lamb chops from a USA lamb so of course I had to give
    >them a try. I did what I normally do to lamb chops, they were
    >marinated in olive oil, garlic and rosemary.
    >While the lamb was marinating I roasted some veggies.
    >
    >I coated the edges of the chops with the garlic and rosemary and
    >broiled them to med rare.
    >http://i43.tinypic.com/23wjw9w.jpg
    >
    >To my taste the American lamb is milder but I don't think it's better,
    >just different. Next I'll try American lamb shanks,_love_them braised.
    >http://i44.tinypic.com/350nm7m.jpg
    >
    >
    >koko


    See if you can find some pastured (grass-fed) American lamb. I think
    therein may lie the difference.
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    modom

    ambitious when it comes to fiddling with meat

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