Thread: Koreans Revolt Against U.S. Beef

Mark Thorson wrote:

> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

So then can eat rice, bugs and dirt. Big deal.


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Mark Thorson wrote:

> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

So then can eat rice, bugs and dirt. Big deal.


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On May 31, 3:02*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. *If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. *If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.

There's a better explanation for the USDA's stubbornness. If one
started doing it, they'd all have to eventually follow suit, and the
cattle producers' lobby will have none of that. Very little BSE.
Lots of campaign contributions.

I disagree with USDA policy because it is an unjustfied intrusion into
the marketplace.

--Bryan

On May 31, 3:02*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. *If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. *If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.

There's a better explanation for the USDA's stubbornness. If one
started doing it, they'd all have to eventually follow suit, and the
cattle producers' lobby will have none of that. Very little BSE.
Lots of campaign contributions.

I disagree with USDA policy because it is an unjustfied intrusion into
the marketplace.

--Bryan

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

More for me... Urp!

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

More for me... Urp!

Mark Thorson wrote:
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked to mad cow
disease. None were in America.
All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when taken to
slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.
American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle, which was the
primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.

If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly and
passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true, that does not
make it true.

That includes the media.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>
>
> Quoting from:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>
> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> U.S. beef imports.
>
> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked to mad cow
disease. None were in America.
All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when taken to
slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.
American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle, which was the
primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.

If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly and
passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true, that does not
make it true.

That includes the media.

none wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> > and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> > the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> > testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> > were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> > all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> > Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> > nobody would eat U.S. beef.
> >
> >
> > Quoting from:
> > http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
> >
> > Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> > young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> > on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> > U.S. beef imports.
> >
> > The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> > faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> > took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> > reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> > failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> > media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.
>
> By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
> In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked
> to mad cow disease. None were in America.

Not true. According to the CDC, there's been at least 200
confirmed cases, 3 in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm

The actual number may be much higher, due to political
interference preventing more tests from being done.

> All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when
> taken to slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.

Not true. There was an attempt to do that during the
"enhanced surveillance" program which began in 2004
and ended in 2006, but even during that period not
all downer cattle were tested.

http://www.cidrapsummit.net/cidrap/c...ly1404bse.html

In 2006, USDA transitioned to the "ongoing
surveillance" program, which has sharply curtailed
the number of tests (about 759,000 animals tested
during 2004-2006, to about 40,000 per year since
then).

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicatio...ongoing_vs.pdf

USDA admits that even the enhanced surveillance program
was not a food safety program. It was a research program
to evaluate the prevalence of BSE, not a screening program
to prevent BSE-infected cattle from being slaughtered.

> American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle,
> which was the primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.

But there are loopholes. Cellulosic sausage
casings which contain beef residues may be fed to
cattle. (This is waste from making hot dogs --
the hot dogs are cooked in the casings, which are
then removed and disposed by feeding to cattle.)

Also, "chicken litter" -- the spilled chicken feed
and other material shoveled out of chicken feeding
operations -- may be fed to cattle. Downer cattle
may be processed into non-ruminant protein supplements,
which may be fed to chickens. So, it is not true
to say that downer cattle are not being fed to other
cattle.

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/relea...1/26_moo.shtml

> If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly
> and passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true,
> that does not make it true.
>
> That includes the media.

All of your "facts" are wrong. I've backed up my
corrections with links to primary sources. I know
much more about this issue than you do, and much
of what you "know" ain't true.

The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.

none wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
> > and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
> > the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
> > testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
> > were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
> > all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
> > Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
> > nobody would eat U.S. beef.
> >
> >
> > Quoting from:
> > http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
> >
> > Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
> > young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
> > on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
> > U.S. beef imports.
> >
> > The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
> > faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
> > took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
> > reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
> > failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
> > media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.
>
> By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
> In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked
> to mad cow disease. None were in America.

Not true. According to the CDC, there's been at least 200
confirmed cases, 3 in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm

The actual number may be much higher, due to political
interference preventing more tests from being done.

> All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when
> taken to slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.

Not true. There was an attempt to do that during the
"enhanced surveillance" program which began in 2004
and ended in 2006, but even during that period not
all downer cattle were tested.

http://www.cidrapsummit.net/cidrap/c...ly1404bse.html

In 2006, USDA transitioned to the "ongoing
surveillance" program, which has sharply curtailed
the number of tests (about 759,000 animals tested
during 2004-2006, to about 40,000 per year since
then).

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicatio...ongoing_vs.pdf

USDA admits that even the enhanced surveillance program
was not a food safety program. It was a research program
to evaluate the prevalence of BSE, not a screening program
to prevent BSE-infected cattle from being slaughtered.

> American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle,
> which was the primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.

But there are loopholes. Cellulosic sausage
casings which contain beef residues may be fed to
cattle. (This is waste from making hot dogs --
the hot dogs are cooked in the casings, which are
then removed and disposed by feeding to cattle.)

Also, "chicken litter" -- the spilled chicken feed
and other material shoveled out of chicken feeding
operations -- may be fed to cattle. Downer cattle
may be processed into non-ruminant protein supplements,
which may be fed to chickens. So, it is not true
to say that downer cattle are not being fed to other
cattle.

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/relea...1/26_moo.shtml

> If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly
> and passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true,
> that does not make it true.
>
> That includes the media.

All of your "facts" are wrong. I've backed up my
corrections with links to primary sources. I know
much more about this issue than you do, and much
of what you "know" ain't true.

The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.

> The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.


Americans foolishly believe the USDA still exists in a form that is meant to
protect public health. They no longer monitor meat packing plants at all
unless invited. The packers have to pay the USDA to inspect their operation
so as to get a "USDA Inspected" sticker. It is all advertising. The most
egregious violations ever in the meat packing industry happened not 12 miles
from where I live. Over 150 million pounds of "downer" meat - all of it
untested - ALL - was recalled. The problem was it had all been eaten by
that time - sold to the school system for children's lunches. Does that
give anyone an idea of just what we are dealing with here?

The USDA now is run by corporate special interests. It exists only to
protect the meat industry from the public. A complete reversal of its
original charter.

Paul

> The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.


Americans foolishly believe the USDA still exists in a form that is meant to
protect public health. They no longer monitor meat packing plants at all
unless invited. The packers have to pay the USDA to inspect their operation
so as to get a "USDA Inspected" sticker. It is all advertising. The most
egregious violations ever in the meat packing industry happened not 12 miles
from where I live. Over 150 million pounds of "downer" meat - all of it
untested - ALL - was recalled. The problem was it had all been eaten by
that time - sold to the school system for children's lunches. Does that
give anyone an idea of just what we are dealing with here?

The USDA now is run by corporate special interests. It exists only to
protect the meat industry from the public. A complete reversal of its
original charter.

Paul

On May 31, 5:50*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> > The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.
>
> Americans foolishly believe the USDA still exists in a form that is meant to
> protect public health. *They no longer monitor meat packing plants at all
> unless invited. *The packers have to pay the USDA to inspect their operation
> so as to get a "USDA Inspected" sticker. *It is all advertising. *The most
> egregious violations ever in the meat packing industry happened not 12 miles
> from where I live. *Over 150 million pounds of "downer" meat - all of it
> untested - ALL - was recalled. *The problem was it had all been eaten by
> that time - sold to the school system for children's lunches. *Does that
> give anyone an idea of just what we are dealing with here?
>
> The USDA now is run by corporate special interests. *It exists only to
> protect the meat industry from the public. *A complete reversal of its
> original charter.

Imagine if a US president got elected who agreed wholeheartedly with
the above paragraph. Imagine a president who believed in those
"original charter[s]."
Imagine a president who doesn't have contempt for the New Deal,
Keynesian economics, and the goal of eliminating poverty in America,
as expressed in LBJ's Great Society initiatives.

Imagine America moving away from a profit worshipping system to a
balanced economy where tax monies are allocated to apolitical civil
service workers, instead of parasitic private contractors. Imagine
shysterism relegated to the gray economy, and under threat even there
as we pursue justice for the poor. No more Halliburton style thievery
from the US Treasury.

Of course individuals and voting blocks project their own idealistic
dreams upon their preferred canidates. I'm hopeful.
>
> Paul

--Bryan

On May 31, 5:50*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> > The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.
>
> Americans foolishly believe the USDA still exists in a form that is meant to
> protect public health. *They no longer monitor meat packing plants at all
> unless invited. *The packers have to pay the USDA to inspect their operation
> so as to get a "USDA Inspected" sticker. *It is all advertising. *The most
> egregious violations ever in the meat packing industry happened not 12 miles
> from where I live. *Over 150 million pounds of "downer" meat - all of it
> untested - ALL - was recalled. *The problem was it had all been eaten by
> that time - sold to the school system for children's lunches. *Does that
> give anyone an idea of just what we are dealing with here?
>
> The USDA now is run by corporate special interests. *It exists only to
> protect the meat industry from the public. *A complete reversal of its
> original charter.

Imagine if a US president got elected who agreed wholeheartedly with
the above paragraph. Imagine a president who believed in those
"original charter[s]."
Imagine a president who doesn't have contempt for the New Deal,
Keynesian economics, and the goal of eliminating poverty in America,
as expressed in LBJ's Great Society initiatives.

Imagine America moving away from a profit worshipping system to a
balanced economy where tax monies are allocated to apolitical civil
service workers, instead of parasitic private contractors. Imagine
shysterism relegated to the gray economy, and under threat even there
as we pursue justice for the poor. No more Halliburton style thievery
from the US Treasury.

Of course individuals and voting blocks project their own idealistic
dreams upon their preferred canidates. I'm hopeful.
>
> Paul

--Bryan

Mark Thorson wrote:
> none wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
>>> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
>>> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
>>> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
>>> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
>>> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
>>> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
>>> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting from:
>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>>>
>>> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
>>> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
>>> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
>>> U.S. beef imports.
>>>
>>> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
>>> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
>>> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
>>> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
>>> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
>>> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.
>> By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
>> In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked
>> to mad cow disease. None were in America.
>
> Not true. According to the CDC, there's been at least 200
> confirmed cases, 3 in the U.S.
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm
>
> The actual number may be much higher, due to political
> interference preventing more tests from being done.
>
>> All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when
>> taken to slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.
>
> Not true. There was an attempt to do that during the
> "enhanced surveillance" program which began in 2004
> and ended in 2006, but even during that period not
> all downer cattle were tested.
>
> http://www.cidrapsummit.net/cidrap/c...ly1404bse.html
>
> In 2006, USDA transitioned to the "ongoing
> surveillance" program, which has sharply curtailed
> the number of tests (about 759,000 animals tested
> during 2004-2006, to about 40,000 per year since
> then).
>
> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicatio...ongoing_vs.pdf
>
> USDA admits that even the enhanced surveillance program
> was not a food safety program. It was a research program
> to evaluate the prevalence of BSE, not a screening program
> to prevent BSE-infected cattle from being slaughtered.
>
>> American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle,
>> which was the primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.
>
> But there are loopholes. Cellulosic sausage
> casings which contain beef residues may be fed to
> cattle. (This is waste from making hot dogs --
> the hot dogs are cooked in the casings, which are
> then removed and disposed by feeding to cattle.)
>
> Also, "chicken litter" -- the spilled chicken feed
> and other material shoveled out of chicken feeding
> operations -- may be fed to cattle. Downer cattle
> may be processed into non-ruminant protein supplements,
> which may be fed to chickens. So, it is not true
> to say that downer cattle are not being fed to other
> cattle.
>
> http://berkeley.edu/news/media/relea...1/26_moo.shtml
>
>> If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly
>> and passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true,
>> that does not make it true.
>>
>> That includes the media.
>
> All of your "facts" are wrong. I've backed up my
> corrections with links to primary sources. I know
> much more about this issue than you do, and much
> of what you "know" ain't true.
>
> The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.

Yes indeed, three in the US now. Sorry, the information I quoted was
slightly out of date. However, all three of those cases were people who
were exposed to the disease while they were NOT in the US.
Since nobody is or has been infected with vCJD in the US, I suspect our
beef is fairly safe.
I hope you don't mind that I've removed the cross-posting. I don't post
to usenet groups that I don't read.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> none wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
>>> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
>>> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
>>> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
>>> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
>>> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
>>> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
>>> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting from:
>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>>>
>>> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
>>> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
>>> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
>>> U.S. beef imports.
>>>
>>> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
>>> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
>>> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
>>> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
>>> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
>>> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.
>> By all means, let them buy their beef elsewhere.
>> In all of the world, there have been 153 human deaths linked
>> to mad cow disease. None were in America.
>
> Not true. According to the CDC, there's been at least 200
> confirmed cases, 3 in the U.S.
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm
>
> The actual number may be much higher, due to political
> interference preventing more tests from being done.
>
>> All American "downer" cattle (those appearing ill when
>> taken to slaughter) are tested for Mad Cow Disease.
>
> Not true. There was an attempt to do that during the
> "enhanced surveillance" program which began in 2004
> and ended in 2006, but even during that period not
> all downer cattle were tested.
>
> http://www.cidrapsummit.net/cidrap/c...ly1404bse.html
>
> In 2006, USDA transitioned to the "ongoing
> surveillance" program, which has sharply curtailed
> the number of tests (about 759,000 animals tested
> during 2004-2006, to about 40,000 per year since
> then).
>
> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicatio...ongoing_vs.pdf
>
> USDA admits that even the enhanced surveillance program
> was not a food safety program. It was a research program
> to evaluate the prevalence of BSE, not a screening program
> to prevent BSE-infected cattle from being slaughtered.
>
>> American cattle are not fed offal from slaughtered cattle,
>> which was the primary vector for Mad Cow Disease.
>
> But there are loopholes. Cellulosic sausage
> casings which contain beef residues may be fed to
> cattle. (This is waste from making hot dogs --
> the hot dogs are cooked in the casings, which are
> then removed and disposed by feeding to cattle.)
>
> Also, "chicken litter" -- the spilled chicken feed
> and other material shoveled out of chicken feeding
> operations -- may be fed to cattle. Downer cattle
> may be processed into non-ruminant protein supplements,
> which may be fed to chickens. So, it is not true
> to say that downer cattle are not being fed to other
> cattle.
>
> http://berkeley.edu/news/media/relea...1/26_moo.shtml
>
>> If one person, or a million people, or all people, strongly
>> and passionately believe an unsupported accusation is true,
>> that does not make it true.
>>
>> That includes the media.
>
> All of your "facts" are wrong. I've backed up my
> corrections with links to primary sources. I know
> much more about this issue than you do, and much
> of what you "know" ain't true.
>
> The Koreans are right to oppose imports of U.S. beef.

Yes indeed, three in the US now. Sorry, the information I quoted was
slightly out of date. However, all three of those cases were people who
were exposed to the disease while they were NOT in the US.
Since nobody is or has been infected with vCJD in the US, I suspect our
beef is fairly safe.
I hope you don't mind that I've removed the cross-posting. I don't post
to usenet groups that I don't read.

Mark Thorson 쓴 글:
> none wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
>>> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
>>> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
>>> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
>>> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
>>> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
>>> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
>>> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting from:
>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>>>
>>> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
>>> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
>>> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
>>> U.S. beef imports.
>>>
>>> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
>>> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
>>> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
>>> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
>>> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
>>> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

[...]

Let me add some details about how all these daily rally was formed and
reproduced. Most conventional media is quite mute about the situation on
the street. However, most young Koreans , including me, are quite well
informed about the situation.

The real information is spread through the Internet.

Bloggers are writing from their notebook on the street, or from nearby
PC bangs. A blogger is writing throughout the night every incident,
gathered via sms and blog comments system. I could only press F5 every
30 minutes to see what happened on GwangHwaMun, where the demonstrators
were rallying against the police force.

There is also already famous Ohmynews ( http://www.ohmynews.com )
equipped with live independent internet-tv. On its site, I could watch
literally every moment of the demonstration. There's also another team
to live-broadcast the street. A professor, named JungGwon Jin, was
interviewing people there. While watching untidy interviews, I could
chat with other views live. Some participants were doing propaganda for
and against the rally, some were re-articulating the live broadcast,
some were giving information and misinformation. It's like a real good
virtual demonstration. I could feel how I should feel.

It's new kind of solidarity emerging from new technology. It's very
interesting.

--
SHIN

Mark Thorson 쓴 글:
> none wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I won't eat U.S. beef because the risk is too high,
>>> and neither will the Koreans. If there were no risk,
>>> the USDA would not be preventing Creekstone Farms from
>>> testing their own beef for Mad Cow Disease. If testing
>>> were being done at the same level as in Japan, where
>>> all slaughtered cattle are tested, the true extent of
>>> Mad Cow Disease in U.S. herds would be revealed, and
>>> nobody would eat U.S. beef.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting from:
>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...Beef-Rally.php
>>>
>>> Thousands of South Koreans, mostly students and other
>>> young people, have held similar vigils and street rallies
>>> on a near daily basis against the April 18 deal to resume
>>> U.S. beef imports.
>>>
>>> The protests are one of the biggest domestic challenges
>>> faced so far by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who
>>> took office three months ago. Lee last week sought to
>>> reassure the country over the safety of U.S. beef, but
>>> failed to ease public anger, which has been fanned by
>>> media reports questioning the safety of U.S. beef.

[...]

Let me add some details about how all these daily rally was formed and
reproduced. Most conventional media is quite mute about the situation on
the street. However, most young Koreans , including me, are quite well
informed about the situation.

The real information is spread through the Internet.

Bloggers are writing from their notebook on the street, or from nearby
PC bangs. A blogger is writing throughout the night every incident,
gathered via sms and blog comments system. I could only press F5 every
30 minutes to see what happened on GwangHwaMun, where the demonstrators
were rallying against the police force.

There is also already famous Ohmynews ( http://www.ohmynews.com )
equipped with live independent internet-tv. On its site, I could watch
literally every moment of the demonstration. There's also another team
to live-broadcast the street. A professor, named JungGwon Jin, was
interviewing people there. While watching untidy interviews, I could
chat with other views live. Some participants were doing propaganda for
and against the rally, some were re-articulating the live broadcast,
some were giving information and misinformation. It's like a real good
virtual demonstration. I could feel how I should feel.

It's new kind of solidarity emerging from new technology. It's very
interesting.

--
SHIN