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    [email protected] Guest

    Default Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    same thing?


  2. #2
    Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    <[email protected]> wrote:
    > We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > same thing?


    I was looking at Karo syrup last week in my quest for making homemade "Fake
    Maple Syrup". Karo syrup on the bottle states it does not have HFCS. The
    ingredients listing just states "Corn Syrup". I should also say, I was only
    looking for the light colored Karo and not the dark.

    However, off brands of corn syrup does have "HFCS" listed on the ingredient
    list.

    The hardest part of making my homemade Fake Maple Syrup was finding a
    natural source of Maple Flavoring. After finding the natural, I use the
    term "loosely", my fake maple syrup was very good, much better than the any
    store brands. It took less than five minutes to make 2 cups of syrup.

    --
    Nad

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    > We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > same thing?


    What does your favorite search engine say when you type that exact
    subject into it?

    -sw

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    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > same thing?
    >


    Karo is corn syrup with vanilla. HFCS is processed differently. Karo even
    advertises that it contains no HFCS.


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    Janet Bostwick Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


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    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:


    >>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    >>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    >>same thing?


    >Sugar is sugar.


    Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized differently.
    For many people it makes no difference, but for some people (say, if you
    have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose than other sugars.


    Steve
    >Janet US




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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > same thing?


    Different thing.



  8. #8
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    "Janet Bostwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    >>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    >>same thing?

    >
    > Sugar is sugar.



    And neither is sugar.



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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j2a3gc$e62$[email protected]..
    > Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >
    >>>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    >>>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    >>>same thing?

    >
    >>Sugar is sugar.

    >
    > Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized differently.
    > For many people it makes no difference, but for some people (say, if you
    > have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose than other sugars.


    And HFCS has been linked to heart problems in diabetics.



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    Polly Esther Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j2a44g$4l2$[email protected]..
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    >> and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    >> same thing?

    >
    > Different thing.


    I grew up thinking there were two important things that could not be made
    with any substitute for Karo syrup: divinity and pecan pie. I dared
    produce pecan pies with whatever syrup was available and perhaps improved
    the flavor. Haven't attempted to make divinity without Karo. Why do you
    ask? Is it a diet question or an okay recipe subsitute? Polly


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    pavane Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    |
    | "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | news:j2a44g$4l2$[email protected]..
    | >
    | > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | > news:[email protected]..
    | >> We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    | >> and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    | >> same thing?
    | >
    | > Different thing.
    |
    | I grew up thinking there were two important things that could not be made
    | with any substitute for Karo syrup: divinity and pecan pie. I dared
    | produce pecan pies with whatever syrup was available and perhaps improved
    | the flavor. Haven't attempted to make divinity without Karo. Why do you
    | ask? Is it a diet question or an okay recipe subsitute? Polly

    I was adamant until I found mold in an old bottle of Karo and had a new
    container of Lyle's Golden Syrup in the pantry. Agree with you, the
    Lyle's made a richer, more intense pecan pie than Karo. My standard
    from now on. Don't make divinity, but as for the Lyle's I think it is a
    recipe substitute with benefits.

    pavane



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    Janet Bostwick Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
    (Steve Pope) wrote:

    >Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >
    >>>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    >>>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    >>>same thing?

    >
    >>Sugar is sugar.

    >
    >Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized differently.
    >For many people it makes no difference, but for some people (say, if you
    >have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose than other sugars.
    >
    >
    >Steve
    >>Janet US

    >

    Would you give me a cite on that please? I am unable to find any
    information that HFCS specifically causes or contributes to any
    ailment. I believe that has all been de-bunked. HFCS metabolizes the
    same as white sugar and honey.
    Janet US

  13. #13
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]


    >>Different sugars are metabolized differently.
    >>For many people it makes no difference, but for some people (say, if you
    >>have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose than other sugars.


    >Would you give me a cite on that please? I am unable to find any
    >information that HFCS specifically causes or contributes to any
    >ailment. I believe that has all been de-bunked. HFCS metabolizes the
    >same as white sugar and honey.


    Google on "fructose and purine metabolism".

    Note that sucrose is 50% fructose, so persons gout might equally
    wish to limit it also. But to the extent HFCS is more than 50%
    fructose, it is worse.

    Steve

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    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    In article <j2a471$50g$[email protected]>,
    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:j2a3gc$e62$[email protected]..
    > > Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    > >
    > >>>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > >>>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > >>>same thing?

    > >
    > >>Sugar is sugar.

    > >
    > > Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized differently.
    > > For many people it makes no difference, but for some people (say, if you
    > > have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose than other sugars.

    >
    > And HFCS has been linked to heart problems in diabetics.


    The cites that I've seen "linking" HFCS and diabetes haven't been valid.

    There are lots of cites linking sugar and diabetes, but none that have
    compared HFCS with any other type of sugar.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    dabel@s[email protected]

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    meh Guest

  16. #16
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    Dan Abel wrote:
    > In article <j2a471$50g$[email protected]>,
    > "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:j2a3gc$e62$[email protected]..
    >>> Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is
    >>>>> bad and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is
    >>>>> karo the same thing?
    >>>
    >>>> Sugar is sugar.
    >>>
    >>> Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized
    >>> differently. For many people it makes no difference, but for some
    >>> people (say, if you have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose
    >>> than other sugars.

    >>
    >> And HFCS has been linked to heart problems in diabetics.

    >
    > The cites that I've seen "linking" HFCS and diabetes haven't been
    > valid.
    >
    > There are lots of cites linking sugar and diabetes, but none that have
    > compared HFCS with any other type of sugar.


    Let me see if I can find it...

    Well this isn't the one but it says pretty much what I read some years ago
    written by someone who came highly regarded to the now deceased author and
    nutrition authority and fellow diabetic, Quentin Grady.

    http://health-compendium.com/index.p...id=76&Itemid=9



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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    Janet Bostwick wrote:
    > On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
    > (Steve Pope) wrote:
    >
    >> Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >>
    >>>> We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is
    >>>> bad and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is
    >>>> karo the same thing?

    >>
    >>> Sugar is sugar.

    >>
    >> Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized
    >> differently. For many people it makes no difference, but for some
    >> people (say, if you have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose
    >> than other sugars.
    >>
    >>
    >> Steve
    >>> Janet US

    >>

    > Would you give me a cite on that please? I am unable to find any
    > information that HFCS specifically causes or contributes to any
    > ailment. I believe that has all been de-bunked. HFCS metabolizes the
    > same as white sugar and honey.
    > Janet US


    Here's one.

    http://health-compendium.com/index.p...id=76&Itemid=9



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    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?


    Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    > "Janet Bostwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >>We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is bad
    > >>and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is karo the
    > >>same thing?

    > >
    > > Sugar is sugar.

    >
    > And neither is sugar.


    Both are in large part sugars, but not the same types or proportions.
    The bottle of Karo light I have indicates that it does include HFCS BTW.

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    J. Clarke Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    In article <j2aa68$v4h$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > Janet Bostwick wrote:
    > > On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
    > > (Steve Pope) wrote:
    > >
    > >> Janet Bostwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:38:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>> We keep seeing articles that say that high-fructose corn syrup is
    > >>>> bad and fattening as well. Does this include Karo syrup? Or is
    > >>>> karo the same thing?
    > >>
    > >>> Sugar is sugar.
    > >>
    > >> Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized
    > >> differently. For many people it makes no difference, but for some
    > >> people (say, if you have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose
    > >> than other sugars.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Steve
    > >>> Janet US
    > >>

    > > Would you give me a cite on that please? I am unable to find any
    > > information that HFCS specifically causes or contributes to any
    > > ailment. I believe that has all been de-bunked. HFCS metabolizes the
    > > same as white sugar and honey.
    > > Janet US

    >
    > Here's one.
    >
    > http://health-compendium.com/index.p...id=76&Itemid=9


    It says that "research has shown" then summarizes four studies, none of
    which, according to the summaries presented, say anything specific about
    HFCS. Generally when someone writing an article does that he's
    appealing to nonexistent authority. Always be on the lookout for things
    like that.



  20. #20
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Is Karo syrup the same as high-fructose corn syrup?

    J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <j2aa68$v4h$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...


    >> Janet Bostwick wrote:


    >> > (Steve Pope) wrote:


    >> >> Unfortunately not true. Different sugars are metabolized
    >> >> differently. For many people it makes no difference, but for some
    >> >> people (say, if you have gout) you are worse off consuming fructose
    >> >> than other sugars.


    >> > Would you give me a cite on that please? I am unable to find any
    >> > information that HFCS specifically causes or contributes to any
    >> > ailment. I believe that has all been de-bunked.


    >> Here's one.


    >>http://health-compendium.com/index.p...id=76&Itemid=9


    >It says that "research has shown" then summarizes four studies, none of
    >which, according to the summaries presented, say anything specific about
    >HFCS. Generally when someone writing an article does that he's
    >appealing to nonexistent authority. Always be on the lookout for things
    >like that.


    I agree that Julie's link is not very definitive.

    But I was not intending to make any sweeping statements about the
    health effects of fructose, only that (like alcohol) it will raise
    serum uric acid, which is not good if you have gout.

    There are many studies on this. Here is one description:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17130256

    When researching gout after I was diagnosed, I plowed through
    quite a bit of scientific (and pseudo-scientific) literature
    and was satisfied that the only known dietary factors affecting
    uric acid levels were purines, alcohol, and fructose. Everything
    else you read about gout triggers is probably bunk but fructose
    is on the list.


    Steve

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