Thread: Julia and Jacques: Cheeseburgers?

Andy wrote:

> Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
> French condiment?

I dunno, but IMHO it's just overkill

> Also Julia's combined use of butter, mayo and ketchup seemed pretty
> gross, imho.

If she'd remove the butter I could like it.

> Just goes to show what can go wrong when you task gourmet chefs to
> make a simple hamburger.
>
> Report Card:
> F for using tomato AND ketchup together under the same roll
> F for using Kaiser rolls
> F for adding unmelted cheddar cheese slices
> F for not tearing the lettuce into manageable bites

LOL, expecially the last one

> Andy
> Dijon, avocado, burger, Jack cheese, whole mild green chile pepper on
> a toasted English muffin
> http://i50.tinypic.com/29bbzvt.jpg

Bad pictures but... for a great subject! Nice one
--
Vilco
Don't think pink: drink rosè

"ViLco" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bad pictures but... for a great subject! Nice one


ViLco,

Sorry... I don't take photographs, I take snapshots!

Best,

Andy

On Mar 9, 5:31*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Julia and Jacques: Cheeseburgers?
>
> How Julia dressed her hamburger:
>
> Buttered the cooked burger
>
> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
> Ketchup
> Iceberg lettuce
> The burger
> Unmelted cheese slices
> Mayo
> Two slices of bacon
> Red onion
> Black pepper
> More ketchup
> Tomato
>
> How Jacques dressed up his burger
>
> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
> Iceberg lettuce
> Ketchup
> Burger
> Unmelted cheese slices
> Red onion
> Pickle
> Tomato
>
> It was crazy for both of them to put ketchup AND tomato slices on their
> burgers.
>
> Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
> French condiment?
>
> Also Julia's combined use of butter, mayo and ketchup seemed pretty
> gross, imho.

My husband favors a buttered bun, griddled until brown, slathered
with
mayo, and then ketchup goes on somewhere.

Often, he mixes a little ketchup and mayo and dips the completed
burger into it. Weird, but he only does this at home.

> Report Card:
> F for using tomato AND ketchup together under the same roll

Everyone's taste is different. As long as they don't make you eat
them that way, what's the problem?

> F for using Kaiser rolls

I generally use onion rolls, which aren't that different.

> F for adding unmelted cheddar cheese slices

No cheese at all for me.

> F for not tearing the lettuce into manageable bites

Are your teeth not working? I lay a leaf of lettuce on my
burger and can bite right through it.

Here's my burger:

half a bun, toasted in the toaster oven and spread with mayo
sliced onion
salt and pepper
burger
tomato
salt and pepper
lettuce
half a bun, toasted in the toaster oven and spread with mayo

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 5:31*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> Julia and Jacques: Cheeseburgers?
>>
>> How Julia dressed her hamburger:
>>
>> Buttered the cooked burger
>>
>> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
>> Ketchup
>> Iceberg lettuce
>> The burger
>> Unmelted cheese slices
>> Mayo
>> Two slices of bacon
>> Red onion
>> Black pepper
>> More ketchup
>> Tomato
>>
>> How Jacques dressed up his burger
>>
>> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
>> Iceberg lettuce
>> Ketchup
>> Burger
>> Unmelted cheese slices
>> Red onion
>> Pickle
>> Tomato
>>
>> It was crazy for both of them to put ketchup AND tomato slices on
their
>> burgers.
>>
>> Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
>> French condiment?
>>
>> Also Julia's combined use of butter, mayo and ketchup seemed pretty
>> gross, imho.
>
> My husband favors a buttered bun, griddled until brown, slathered
> with
> mayo, and then ketchup goes on somewhere.
>
> Often, he mixes a little ketchup and mayo and dips the completed
> burger into it. Weird, but he only does this at home.
>
>> Report Card:
>> F for using tomato AND ketchup together under the same roll
>
> Everyone's taste is different. As long as they don't make you eat
> them that way, what's the problem?
>
>> F for using Kaiser rolls
>
> I generally use onion rolls, which aren't that different.
>
>> F for adding unmelted cheddar cheese slices
>
> No cheese at all for me.
>
>> F for not tearing the lettuce into manageable bites
>
> Are your teeth not working? I lay a leaf of lettuce on my
> burger and can bite right through it.
>
> Here's my burger:
>
> half a bun, toasted in the toaster oven and spread with mayo
> sliced onion
> salt and pepper
> burger
> tomato
> salt and pepper
> lettuce
> half a bun, toasted in the toaster oven and spread with mayo
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Cindy,

Out of curiosity, I thumbed through "Mastering the Art of French
Cooking." There's a recipe for "Biftek Haché à la Lyonnaise" (page 301)
or hamburgers with onions and herbs. The recipe makes six burgers. In
three different stages in the recipe, two Tbls of butter are called for.
That's one Tbls of butter per burger. So, in a sense, seeing Julia slap
on the butter isn't so alarming after all.


I hadn't heard of mayo until years back from here at rfc. I tried it and
was indifferent about it. Maybe a little tang but not much flavor. Mayo
and burger grease combined and drippy was pretty gross to look at, imho.


Whole lettuce leaves laid on too thick will caused some jaw ache in
sandwiches. It tends to be more fibrous, imho. Shredded or at least torn,
it is easier to chew. McDonalds figured that out while inventing their
Big Mac so long ago. Wendy's never caught on. Sandwich shops haven't used
whole lettuce leaves to make sandwiches (hoagies, subs, whatever) since
I dunno when.


My OP was entirely subjective. There's no ONE burger by which all others
are judged. I think I was more put off by the tomato and ketchup issue
and the triple condiment combo.

Best,

Andy

On Mar 9, 2:31*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Julia and Jacques: Cheeseburgers?
>
> How Julia dressed her hamburger:
>
> Buttered the cooked burger
>
> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
> Ketchup
> Iceberg lettuce
> The burger
> Unmelted cheese slices
> Mayo
> Two slices of bacon
> Red onion
> Black pepper
> More ketchup
> Tomato
>
> How Jacques dressed up his burger
>
> On a toasted poppy seed Kaiser roll....
> Iceberg lettuce
> Ketchup
> Burger
> Unmelted cheese slices
> Red onion
> Pickle
> Tomato
>
> It was crazy for both of them to put ketchup AND tomato slices on their
> burgers.
>
> Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
> French condiment?
>
> Also Julia's combined use of butter, mayo and ketchup seemed pretty
> gross, imho.
>
> I'd never use a toasted poppy seeded Kaiser roll. Too easy to eject the
> goods trying to get a grip on it. And Julia's doctoring it with all that
> ketchup, mayo and butter the way she did sure made it look like it was
> going to cause some serious slip and slide to hers.
>
> Don't get me wrong! I've doctored some burgers pretty extravagantly but
> the way they doctored them up, why bother adding meat. Any flavor in the
> 85/15 chuck they used surely went unnoticed. Imho.
>
> Just goes to show what can go wrong when you task gourmet chefs to make a
> simple hamburger.
>
> Report Card:
> F for using tomato AND ketchup together under the same roll
> F for using Kaiser rolls
> F for adding unmelted cheddar cheese slices
> F for not tearing the lettuce into manageable bites
>
> Andy
> Dijon, avocado, burger, Jack cheese, whole mild green chile pepper on a
> toasted English muffinhttp://i50.tinypic.com/29bbzvt.jpg

To each his own. Everyone has their own way that they like their
burgers.

Here's mine:

8 grain jumbo hamburger bun toasted.
on the bottom half - mustard (creole or stone ground) and just a
little ketchup (Heinz)
1/3 to 1/2 pound burger, medium just pink in the middle - with cheese
melted over the BACON and burger (holds it together)
red onion in rings
tomato (ripe)- salt and pepper on the tomato
lettuce (leaf) or even spinach leaves
top half of the bun with plenty of mayo (Hellmans/Best Foods)

and if that burger is one I made it done on a super hot grill, almost
charred on the outside and juicy and pink inside.

I usually have the burger in a little paper towel 'diaper' so it
dosn't run down my arms ;-)


damn.............now I want one.

In article
<[email protected]>,
ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:

> damn.............now I want one.

Me, too. Here's how I like mine:

Toasted bun, homemade, whole wheat, maybe sesame seeds.

Grilled bacon burger (we get a mix from our butcher, when we go back
home, of grass fed beef and bacon that they put through their grinder)
Sharp cheddar cheese
Onions, sauteed in butter
Sliced tomato
Sliced homemade dill pickles
Lettuce
Ketchup
Mustard
Mayonnaise, homemade, spread on the top of the bun

I have eaten burgers with buttered, toasted buns, those were good,
too. I also like frizzled, battered onions in the burger. It is not
often that I eat things like this, but they are so tasty.

Served with either steak fries or potato salad.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> damn.............now I want one.
>
> Me, too. Here's how I like mine:
>
> Toasted bun, homemade, whole wheat, maybe sesame seeds.
>
> Grilled bacon burger (we get a mix from our butcher, when we go back
> home, of grass fed beef and bacon that they put through their grinder)
> Sharp cheddar cheese
> Onions, sauteed in butter
> Sliced tomato
> Sliced homemade dill pickles
> Lettuce
> Ketchup
> Mustard
> Mayonnaise, homemade, spread on the top of the bun
>
> I have eaten burgers with buttered, toasted buns, those were good,
> too. I also like frizzled, battered onions in the burger. It is not
> often that I eat things like this, but they are so tasty.
>
> Served with either steak fries or potato salad.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits
>
> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
> http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

Bacon burgers! Used to be on the lunch menu when I was in high
school - bacon IN the meat. Brilliant.

I like burgers a bunch of different ways but my favorite is probably:

bun, mayo, caramelized onions, burger, iceberg, mayo, bun. The bun
isn't toasted. Oh, and it's likely a kaiser/bulky roll.

I also like: bun, mayo, sliced pickles, sliced onions, burger, mayo,
bun.

I prefer iceberg because you can actually bite through it. Leaf
lettuce just slides out. I hate that.

-Tracy

In article <hn5qll$4hj$[email protected]>,
Tracy <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bacon burgers! Used to be on the lunch menu when I was in high
> school - bacon IN the meat. Brilliant.

You have to be really careful grilling them, because of the fat
content, but they are so worth it. They are my favorite burgers now.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:52:04 -0600, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:

> My OP was entirely subjective. There's no ONE burger by which all others
> are judged. I think I was more put off by the tomato and ketchup issue
> and the triple condiment combo.

I have to agree, ketchup doesn't belong on a burger... especially when
you already have a slice of tomato. I figure I get plenty of ketchup
along with my fries anyway. No need to muddy the flavor on a burger
with it.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:20:41 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:

> and if that burger is one I made it done on a super hot grill, almost
> charred on the outside and juicy and pink inside.

be still my heart!

<swoon>

--
Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy.

In article <[email protected]>,
sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have to agree, ketchup doesn't belong on a burger... especially when
> you already have a slice of tomato. I figure I get plenty of ketchup
> along with my fries anyway. No need to muddy the flavor on a burger
> with it.

I like ketchup on burgers. They are one of the few things I like
with ketchup. I don't eat ketchup with my fries, though.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

sf wrote:

> I have to agree, ketchup doesn't belong on a burger... especially when
> you already have a slice of tomato.
>

A burger without ketchup is sacrilege.

A burger with mustard is blasphemy!

I love living here in the South, but I will NEVAH (I say, NEVAH, Suh!)
put mustard on a burger. <vbg>

Medium rare, please.......

George L

In article <hn5ea0$h61$[email protected]>,
"ViLco" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>
> > Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
> > French condiment?
>
> I dunno, but IMHO it's just overkill

Butter and beef have always gone well together. I don't usually do it,
but it's delicious. If you are concerned about the fat, many use
copious amount of mayonnaise. That's just as fat. Of course, using
both seems like overkill to me.

> > Also Julia's combined use of butter, mayo and ketchup seemed pretty
> > gross, imho.
>
> If she'd remove the butter I could like it.
>
> > Just goes to show what can go wrong when you task gourmet chefs to
> > make a simple hamburger.
> >
> > Report Card:
> > F for using tomato AND ketchup together under the same roll
> > F for using Kaiser rolls
> > F for adding unmelted cheddar cheese slices
> > F for not tearing the lettuce into manageable bites
>
> LOL, expecially the last one

Strange. Very strange. I always like whole lettuce leaves. Kaiser
rolls are great. I avoid ketchup, unless there simply is no tomato
available, in which case it is just a substitute.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:44:17 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I like ketchup on burgers. They are one of the few things I like
> with ketchup. I don't eat ketchup with my fries, though.

No ketchup on your fries??? <GASP> Clearly you were not raised right.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article <[email protected]>,
sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:44:17 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I like ketchup on burgers. They are one of the few things I like
> > with ketchup. I don't eat ketchup with my fries, though.
>
> No ketchup on your fries??? <GASP> Clearly you were not raised right.
>

Remember, my mother was an immigrant. :-) I like them really salty
and either plain or dipped in vinegar or with tartar sauce (if I'm
having fish and chips).

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

On Mar 9, 6:18*am, "ViLco" <Vi...@ViLco.invalid> wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> > Julia buttering her hamburger struck me as odd. Maybe it's a common
> > French condiment?
>
> I dunno, but IMHO it's just overkill

It's common enough to put a pat of butter on the cooked side of a
steak on a grill .... that's probably where that came from. I always
butter the bun for my hamburgers, but that's because I NEVER use mayo
on a burger. Uck. (I also never use ketchup except on Fr. Fries.
Sorry, Stan.)

> --
> * Vilco

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:11:15 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Remember, my mother was an immigrant. :-) I like them really salty
> and either plain or dipped in vinegar or with tartar sauce (if I'm
> having fish and chips).

Speaking of tartar sauce... have you ever tried onion rings with that?
OMG, it's a match made in heaven!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article <[email protected]>,
Ranée at Arabian Knits <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article
><[email protected]>,
> ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> damn.............now I want one.
>
> Me, too. Here's how I like mine:
>
> Toasted bun, homemade, whole wheat, maybe sesame seeds.
>
> Grilled bacon burger (we get a mix from our butcher, when we go back
>home, of grass fed beef and bacon that they put through their grinder)
> Sharp cheddar cheese
> Onions, sauteed in butter
> Sliced tomato
> Sliced homemade dill pickles
> Lettuce
> Ketchup
> Mustard
> Mayonnaise, homemade, spread on the top of the bun
>
> I have eaten burgers with buttered, toasted buns, those were good,
>too. I also like frizzled, battered onions in the burger. It is not
>often that I eat things like this, but they are so tasty.
>
> Served with either steak fries or potato salad.

My late grandmother, may she rest in peace, always used to fry her
hamburgers (lean meat) in butter. This happened well before
Julia Child was a household name in the US. Sometimes I do steaks in
butter in rememberance of her.

Butter was not a condiment. I forget if she buttered and toasted the
buns, though. I wouldn't be surprised.

Since we're detailing our fave burgers: my favorite standard burger has
a toasted bun*, tomato slice, mustard (dijon preferred), mayo, and lots of
dill pickle.

* although any burger I can get on toasted sourdough is my idea of a good
time. That is what I usually do at home. The sourdough comes from my
favorite local bakery and is not pre-sliced. I had a burger at a burger
joint in Seattle's Ballard district (across from Ballard High - forget
the name but think it started with Z) that served on a toasted sour roll
and was A-OK. The sour roll also figures into what ba.foodies might refer to
as "an old-fashioned Italian burger", as served at "Original Joe's".

I like avocado burgers (with or without bacon) and mushroom burgers for a
change-up. Taylor's Automatic Refresher in SF and Napa has a burger I
really like that has mushrooms, bacon, mayo, barbeque sauce, and cheddar
on grilled sliced sourdough. Very messy, but oh so good.

Charlotte
--

In article <[email protected]>,
sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:11:15 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Remember, my mother was an immigrant. :-) I like them really salty
> > and either plain or dipped in vinegar or with tartar sauce (if I'm
> > having fish and chips).
>
> Speaking of tartar sauce... have you ever tried onion rings with that?
> OMG, it's a match made in heaven!

Yes, but I also like them with the Thai sweet chili sauce. Yum!

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/