Thread: Jaimie Oliver's Food Revolution

Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> it seemed worthwhile.
>
> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?


I wasn't going to watch it, but at the last minute I added it to my PVR
and just watched most of it. Well worth it. The scene with the chicken
should blow your mind. LOL

I just noted in another thread how I live in the fattest province in
Canada, yet this province still ranks higher than 40 states...and I
thought we had problems. Nothing compared to that town!! Oliver went to
the fattest town, in the fattest region of the fattest nation on Earth
and their ignorance is mind-blowing.

I mean, when a kid in school can't identify a tomato, something is very
very wrong.

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Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>
>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>


I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
worth watching anyway.

Seems like he would have had more success starting with the Jr High
School, where the kids are just starting to get self-conscious about
their body image. But perhaps the Elementary School made for more
drama, and that was the real point.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>
>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>
>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>>
>
>
> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was worth
> watching anyway.


It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.

After all, he IS right.


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DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
it seemed worthwhile.

Did anyone see it? Thoughts?

I've just started reading "Free For All - Fixing School Food in
America" by Janet Poppendieck.

And BBC Radio 4 "Food Programme" has some school lunch segments along
with many other topics at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/a-z/by/f

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:43:44 GMT, [email protected] (Pinstripe
Sniper) wrote:

> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> it seemed worthwhile.
>
> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I've just started reading "Free For All - Fixing School Food in
> America" by Janet Poppendieck.
>
> And BBC Radio 4 "Food Programme" has some school lunch segments along
> with many other topics at
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/a-z/by/f
>
I caught parts of it. I thought it was a rerun. It was just old
ideas rehashed (so to speak). The part I saw already had a cook in
kitchen, so really... what's all the fuss about? Try having meals
prepackaged and sent in for reheating. That's truly awful.

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Pinstripe Sniper wrote:

> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> it seemed worthwhile.
>
> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?

I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.

A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.
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JL

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:35:51 -0230, clouddreamer
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I mean, when a kid in school can't identify a tomato, something is very
> very wrong.

Consider their age. Tomato/potato... one sound difference and they
were obviously distracted by the camera the way they kept glancing out
of the corners of their eyes at it.

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Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
> > DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> > copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> > it seemed worthwhile.
> >
> > Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>
> A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.

He's going to come over here and whip us into shape. HELLO, Jamie?
Have you ever heard of Alice Waters? News Flash: she's been doing
this for decades!

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:43:44 GMT, Pinstripe Sniper wrote:

> Did anyone see it?

Don't think I'll ever forget Jamie making chicken nuggets from scratch.
Eeeuuwww!

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from zxcvbob <[email protected]> contains these words:

> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> > Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
> >
> >> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> >> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> >> it seemed worthwhile.
> >>
> >> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
> >
> > I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> > seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> > sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> > and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
> >


> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
> worth watching anyway.

> Seems like he would have had more success starting with the Jr High
> School, where the kids are just starting to get self-conscious about
> their body image. But perhaps the Elementary School made for more
> drama, and that was the real point.

I haven't seen the US version, but Jamie Oliver has done something
similar here (healthier food for kids in school)
which has been a riproaring success (it actually changed legislation in
this country). He has also, created a cookery course for teenagers in
school



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ng-course.html

Janet

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> I haven't seen the US version, but Jamie Oliver has done something
> similar here (healthier food for kids in school)
> which has been a riproaring success (it actually changed legislation
> in this country). He has also, created a cookery course for
> teenagers in school

I saw that one, too. The resistance from the staff is remarkably the
same in both schools. And the kids, too, of course.

nancy

Pinstripe Sniper wrote:

> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> it seemed worthwhile.

I watched Caprica instead. Not a hard decision to make.

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you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

clouddreamer <[email protected]> wrote:

>I just noted in another thread how I live in the fattest province in
>Canada, yet this province still ranks higher than 40 states...and I
>thought we had problems. Nothing compared to that town!! Oliver went to
>the fattest town, in the fattest region of the fattest nation on Earth
>and their ignorance is mind-blowing.

Wooohooo! USA is still #1 in something! USA USA USA! <channeling
Homer Simpson>

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>
>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
>I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.

I saw most of the first episode, I think either the editing was done
deliberately to create drama (giving the audience someone to hate,
only to have that change at the end of the series, hopefully), or
Oliver is going about this the wrong way because of cultural/country
differences. Those who don't know his history in England aren't going
to understand where he's coming from, especially if he's portrayed as
someone who's coming to try to "fix what's wrong." It's only natural
that the people in that town are going to have the defensive mindset
of "who's this clown, and who does he think he is that he can come
here and tell me what to do?"

I can understand their mindset, but it's still heartbreaking to see
all the resistance he's getting. He's trying to help (and he will, if
they let him), and like another poster said, he's _right_. Fresh food
is better than processed food, and it's horrific what the school kids
are being fed because the priorities are profits for food
conglomerates, convenience for lazy parents, and less work for the
Lunch Ladies (note how they seem to think that was a a derogatory term
when it's likely a term of endearment where he comes from.)

I was heartened to see that family wanting to change, the one whose
deep fryer Oliver buried in their backyard. They must face plenty of
resistance themselves, living in that town. I imagine eating healthily
is already a challenge in our fast-food age, but doing it there has
got to be even more difficult.

Nobody wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> <jpsti[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>
>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>
> I saw most of the first episode, I think either the editing was done
> deliberately to create drama (giving the audience someone to hate,
> only to have that change at the end of the series, hopefully), or
> Oliver is going about this the wrong way because of cultural/country
> differences. Those who don't know his history in England aren't going
> to understand where he's coming from, especially if he's portrayed as
> someone who's coming to try to "fix what's wrong." It's only natural
> that the people in that town are going to have the defensive mindset
> of "who's this clown, and who does he think he is that he can come
> here and tell me what to do?"
>
> I can understand their mindset, but it's still heartbreaking to see
> all the resistance he's getting. He's trying to help (and he will, if
> they let him), and like another poster said, he's _right_. Fresh food
> is better than processed food, and it's horrific what the school kids
> are being fed because the priorities are profits for food
> conglomerates, convenience for lazy parents, and less work for the
> Lunch Ladies (note how they seem to think that was a a derogatory term
> when it's likely a term of endearment where he comes from.)
>
> I was heartened to see that family wanting to change, the one whose
> deep fryer Oliver buried in their backyard. They must face plenty of
> resistance themselves, living in that town. I imagine eating healthily
> is already a challenge in our fast-food age, but doing it there has
> got to be even more difficult.


So why didn't he enlist more help from the Baptist(?) minister?
Especially if the minister has a Seventh Day Adventist minister
buddy to consult with (don't laugh; Baptist and SDA articles of
faith are compatible, even if SDA churches seem to ignore them and
teach a gospel of nutrition instead.)

I'm gonna have to find this on hulu and watch it.

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
Pinstripe Sniper <[email protected]> wrote:
|DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
|copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
|it seemed worthwhile.
|
|Did anyone see it? Thoughts?

Nobody says "tomato ketchup". It might say "tomato ketchup" on the label, but
it also might say "fancy catsup". Nobody says that either. It's called
ketchup. The kids didn't know what he was talking about because he wasn't
speaking American. This really detracted from the effectiveness of the "make
the kids look stupid" segment. Although failure to identify a potato was
pretty much the ultimate losing move in that game.

Chicken nuggets aren't great, but the "gross-out factor" demonstration was
not a fair comparison of anything. I congratulate the kids for seeing through
it. What food doesn't look unappetizing at some point in its development?
Any vegetables that don't start out covered in dirt (eww) were out in the
open air for months, being vomited and shat upon by the creepy crawlies that
live out there (eww!). If you think about it enough, you just might want food
synthesized in a nice clean indoor environment.

Favorite part: the argument about utensils.
"You want to give knives to 5-year-olds?" *boggle*
"Why wouldn't you give knives to 5-year-olds?" *equally boggled*

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Alan Curry wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Pinstripe Sniper <[email protected]> wrote:
> |DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> |copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> |it seemed worthwhile.
> |
> |Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> Nobody says "tomato ketchup". It might say "tomato ketchup" on the label, but
> it also might say "fancy catsup". Nobody says that either. It's called
> ketchup. The kids didn't know what he was talking about because he wasn't
> speaking American. This really detracted from the effectiveness of the "make
> the kids look stupid" segment. Although failure to identify a potato was
> pretty much the ultimate losing move in that game.

But the kids recognized what he was talking about when he said tomato
ketchup. They didn't know what an actual tomato was!


> Favorite part: the argument about utensils.
> "You want to give knives to 5-year-olds?" *boggle*
> "Why wouldn't you give knives to 5-year-olds?" *equally boggled*

The latter boggles my mind too.

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On Mar 27, 4:05*pm, Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote:
> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
> > DOh! *I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> > copy down and watch it. *I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> > it seemed worthwhile.
>
> > Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of *self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>

I"ve always found him a bit full of himself.
..
> A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.
> --
> JL

Alan Curry wrote:
>
>Pinstripe Sniper <[email protected]> wrote:
>|DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>|copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>|it seemed worthwhile.
>|
>|Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
>Nobody says "tomato ketchup". It might say "tomato ketchup" on the label, but
>it also might say "fancy catsup". Nobody says that either. It's called
>ketchup. The kids didn't know what he was talking about because he wasn't
>speaking American.

This idiocy coming from some ignoranus with an Indian dish name...
wait'll his kids get teased in school about having a name that means
kissy ass.

M-W

: 1cur·ry
Pronunciation: \'k?r-e, 'k?-re\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cur·ried; cur·ry·ing
Etymology: Middle English currayen, from Anglo-French cunreier,
correier to prepare, curry, from Vulgar Latin *conredare, from Latin
com- + a base of Germanic origin; akin to Gothic garaiths arrayed —
more at ready
Date: 13th century
1 : to clean the coat of (as a horse) with a currycomb
2 : to treat (tanned leather) especially by incorporating oil or
grease
3 : beat, thrash

— cur·ri·er noun

— curry favor
: to seek to gain favor by flattery or attention and brown nosing



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