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  1. #1
    notbob Guest

    Default It's enough to turn one vegan

    "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."

    http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6

    Well, isn't that special. :\

    nb

  2. #2
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan


    notbob wrote:
    >
    > "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    >
    > Well, isn't that special. :\
    >
    > nb


    It might be, if you ignored all the crap found on produce. Dead stuff,
    be it animal or vegetable generally has nasties living on it.

  3. #3
    Roy Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Apr 18, 6:59*am, notbob <not...@notbob.invalid> wrote:
    > "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    >
    > Well, isn't that special. *:\
    >
    > nb


    ==
    An excellent article. As a farmer I have seen or heard of others who
    overdose their animals with antibiotics. Feedlots all over North
    America use feeds containing antibiotics for their chickens, hogs and
    cattle. Feedmills should be highly regulated IMHO as they provide
    these feedlot owners with products and in many cases will tailor the
    feed mixes to the owners specs.

    Individuals farmers that I know overdose as well which is a really
    stupid practice as it is costly , unnecessary and ineffective. I
    always treated my animals according to the instructions on the bottle
    and of the veterinarian who provided the required antibiotic. One
    neighbor said to me "I don't have time to give multiple injections so
    I just double them up to start with"...really a stupid way of doing
    things.

    There is always a period after treatment which varies with the
    antibiotic, where the animals are not to be sold until minimum or no
    residual effects could be transmitted to the meat derived from the
    slaughter. These are closely followed but any ethical producer but I'm
    sure that some do not pay attention to these rules properly.
    ==

  4. #4
    Landon Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:48:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Apr 18, 6:59*am, notbob <not...@notbob.invalid> wrote:
    >> "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    >>
    >> Well, isn't that special. *:\
    >>
    >> nb

    >
    >==
    >An excellent article. As a farmer I have seen or heard of others who
    >overdose their animals with antibiotics. Feedlots all over North
    >America use feeds containing antibiotics for their chickens, hogs and
    >cattle. Feedmills should be highly regulated IMHO as they provide
    >these feedlot owners with products and in many cases will tailor the
    >feed mixes to the owners specs.
    >
    >Individuals farmers that I know overdose as well which is a really
    >stupid practice as it is costly , unnecessary and ineffective. I
    >always treated my animals according to the instructions on the bottle
    >and of the veterinarian who provided the required antibiotic. One
    >neighbor said to me "I don't have time to give multiple injections so
    >I just double them up to start with"...really a stupid way of doing
    >things.
    >
    >There is always a period after treatment which varies with the
    >antibiotic, where the animals are not to be sold until minimum or no
    >residual effects could be transmitted to the meat derived from the
    >slaughter. These are closely followed but any ethical producer but I'm
    >sure that some do not pay attention to these rules properly.
    >==


    I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    whatever.

    Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    probably the answer to my question.

  5. #5
    Landon Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:41:14 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Landon wrote:
    >>
    >> I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    >> naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    >> used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    >> survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    >> whatever.
    >>
    >> Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    >> antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
    >>
    >> As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    >> probably the answer to my question.

    >
    >It's not just to protect against disease. Antibiotics
    >also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    >feed.


    So they do anything that boosts their profits, regardless of the
    consequences.

    Typical greedy bastards.

  6. #6
    Portland Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Apr 18, 12:06*pm, Landon <lan...@noreply.com> wrote:
    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:41:14 -0800, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >Landon wrote:

    >
    > >> I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    > >> naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    > >> used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    > >> survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    > >> whatever.

    >
    > >> Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    > >> antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    >
    > >> As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    > >> probably the answer to my question.

    >
    > >It's not just to protect against disease. *Antibiotics
    > >also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    > >feed.

    >
    > So they do anything that boosts their profits, regardless of the
    > consequences.
    >
    > Typical greedy bastards.


    And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    abusive crap. But then there's the meat packing lobby.

  7. #7
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    Landon wrote:
    >
    > I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    > naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    > used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    > survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    > whatever.
    >
    > Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    > antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
    >
    > As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    > probably the answer to my question.


    It's not just to protect against disease. Antibiotics
    also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    feed.

  8. #8
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]d
    says...
    >
    > "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    >
    > Well, isn't that special. :\


    Not very surprising. One third of healthy humans, are longterm carriers
    of staph.aureus on their skin and nasal cavity; and one fifth of healthy
    humans are carrying antibiotic-resistant staph aureus. Hospitals here swab
    and test inpatients on arrival.

    Janet UK

  9. #9
    Landon Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Portland
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Apr 18, 12:06*pm, Landon <lan...@noreply.com> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:41:14 -0800, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >Landon wrote:

    >>
    >> >> I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    >> >> naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    >> >> used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    >> >> survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    >> >> whatever.

    >>
    >> >> Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    >> >> antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    >>
    >> >> As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    >> >> probably the answer to my question.

    >>
    >> >It's not just to protect against disease. *Antibiotics
    >> >also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    >> >feed.

    >>
    >> So they do anything that boosts their profits, regardless of the
    >> consequences.
    >>
    >> Typical greedy bastards.

    >
    >And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    >abusive crap. But then there's the meat packing lobby.


    I have yet to see any government in the world that is really trying to
    protect anyone. Government employees from the top to the bottom are
    there to pad their pockets and suck money from anyone they can for
    doing as little as possible.


  10. #10
    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    In article <[email protected]>,
    notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    >
    > Well, isn't that special. :\
    >
    > nb


    Grind your own ground beef, cook the chicken thoroughly (which I do) and
    make sure the outside of your beefsteak is crusty cooked and you won't
    have to worry about it.
    --
    Peace! Om

    Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
    "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."
    --Robert Heinlien

  11. #11
    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    Sycophant wrote:

    > Grind your own ground beef, cook the chicken thoroughly (which I do) and
    > make sure the outside of your beefsteak is crusty cooked and you won't
    > have to worry about it.


    Unless your "beefsteak" has been assembled using meat glue, that is...

    Bob




  12. #12
    sf Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Portland
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    > abusive crap. But then there's the meat packing lobby.


    You can thank your Republican and Tea Party friends for that. Less
    taxes = less protection; not that we had much to begin with. The EPA,
    FDA and the FAA haven't had teeth for years, if they ever did.
    Instead of making existing agencies work better, we created more:
    Homeland Security being the most obvious.

    My new pet peeve is the air traffic controller sleep problem. They
    are falling asleep because they only get 8 hours off before starting
    another shift, yet they are being blamed instead of the public being
    informed of the cause. It's unbelievably incomplete news reporting
    and blame shifting, but it confirms that this is still a blame the
    victim society that can't think any further than chanting "no new
    taxes".

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

  13. #13
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan


    sf wrote:
    >
    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Portland
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    > > abusive crap. But then there's the meat packing lobby.

    >
    > You can thank your Republican and Tea Party friends for that. Less
    > taxes = less protection; not that we had much to begin with. The EPA,
    > FDA and the FAA haven't had teeth for years, if they ever did.
    > Instead of making existing agencies work better, we created more:
    > Homeland Security being the most obvious.
    >
    > My new pet peeve is the air traffic controller sleep problem. They
    > are falling asleep because they only get 8 hours off before starting
    > another shift, yet they are being blamed instead of the public being
    > informed of the cause. It's unbelievably incomplete news reporting
    > and blame shifting, but it confirms that this is still a blame the
    > victim society that can't think any further than chanting "no new
    > taxes".


    The bizarre shifts the FAA has ATCs working certainly doesn't help,
    however the real problem is the lack of air traffic during the times the
    controllers are falling asleep. Two controllers on duty will help
    overcome the issues of falling asleep, but the underlying problem is the
    lack of active work for the controllers during these times. I'm not sure
    what media you're listening to where you think the issues of shifts and
    low traffic at these airports are not being reported, I've heard those
    issues in detail from multiple sources including the local TV stations
    in my area.

    Given the lack of any need for the ATCs to physically do anything at
    these airports and given the available technology, it makes little sense
    to keep one or two ATCs on duty overnight at these small airports. What
    would make far more sense is to consolidate the ATCs covering all small
    airports to a handful of central control centers, likely co-located with
    existing national control centers, where a reasonable sized group of
    ATCs could readily monitor a larger number of airports to deal with the
    small amount of traffic during the overnight hours. All of the radar
    displays, communications and even visual monitoring out the control
    tower windows can be readily remoted with existing technology. Staffing
    of one controller per 5 small airports should be easily and safely
    achievable with such ATC pooling.

  14. #14
    sf Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:48:33 +0100, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]d
    > says...
    > >
    > > "Multi-drug resistant staph in 1 of 4 supermarket meat samples."
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/3slynx6
    > >
    > > Well, isn't that special. :\

    >
    > Not very surprising. One third of healthy humans, are longterm carriers
    > of staph.aureus on their skin and nasal cavity; and one fifth of healthy
    > humans are carrying antibiotic-resistant staph aureus. Hospitals here swab
    > and test inpatients on arrival.
    >

    There's no getting away from it. It's in the dirt.

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

  15. #15
    sf Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:10:50 -0500, Omelet <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Grind your own ground beef, cook the chicken thoroughly (which I do) and
    > make sure the outside of your beefsteak is crusty cooked and you won't
    > have to worry about it.


    I knew somebody would come up with a good reason why I like my steaks
    charred on the outside and rare inside and that's as good as any. LOL

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

  16. #16
    sf Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:58:47 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Staffing
    > of one controller per 5 small airports should be easily and safely
    > achievable with such ATC pooling.


    Agreed.

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

  17. #17
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Apr 18, 10:45*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Portland
    >
    > <railyardbl...@ymail.com> wrote:
    > > And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    > > abusive crap. *But then there's the meat packing lobby.

    >
    > You can thank your Republican and Tea Party friends for that. *Less
    > taxes = less protection; not that we had much to begin with. *The EPA,
    > FDA and the FAA haven't had teeth for years, if they ever did.
    > Instead of making existing agencies work better, we created more:
    > Homeland Security being the most obvious.
    >
    > My new pet peeve is the air traffic controller sleep problem. *They
    > are falling asleep because they only get 8 hours off before starting
    > another shift, yet they are being blamed instead of the public being
    > informed of the cause. *It's unbelievably incomplete news reporting
    > and blame shifting, but it confirms that this is still a blame the
    > victim society that can't think any further than chanting "no new
    > taxes".


    Note that the US DoT regulates the working hours of truck drivers
    because of the consequences to life and property if they fall asleep.
    A long-distance driver may drive for no more than 11 hours per day,
    and work a total of no more than 14 hours—including driving and non-
    driving duties. (ATCs must work at full alertness for 16 hours in 24)
    Between working periods, a driver must have at least 10 hours off
    duty. (ATCs had only 8 hours off duty, raised just now to only 9.)
    Drivers also cannot work more than 60 hours in a week without being
    off-duty for at least 34 hours straight. (Not sure what applies to
    ATCs) Why are ATCs working more and getting less rest than truck
    drivers? Aren't the consequences of a plane crash more serious than
    those of a truck crash?

  18. #18
    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    In article <[email protected]>,
    sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:10:50 -0500, Omelet <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Grind your own ground beef, cook the chicken thoroughly (which I do) and
    > > make sure the outside of your beefsteak is crusty cooked and you won't
    > > have to worry about it.

    >
    > I knew somebody would come up with a good reason why I like my steaks
    > charred on the outside and rare inside and that's as good as any. LOL


    ;-)
    --
    Peace! Om

    Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
    "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."
    --Robert Heinlien

  19. #19
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan


    "Portland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Apr 18, 12:06 pm, Landon <lan...@noreply.com> wrote:
    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:41:14 -0800, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >Landon wrote:

    >
    > >> I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    > >> naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    > >> used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    > >> survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    > >> whatever.

    >
    > >> Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    > >> antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    >
    > >> As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    > >> probably the answer to my question.

    >
    > >It's not just to protect against disease. Antibiotics
    > >also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    > >feed.

    >
    > So they do anything that boosts their profits, regardless of the
    > consequences.
    >
    > Typical greedy bastards.


    And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    abusive crap. But then there's the meat packing lobby.


    The USDA is just a PR tool now. They don't do inspections anymore. Haven't
    in 20 years. Meat packers are all self regulating.

    Paul



  20. #20
    Portland Guest

    Default Re: It's enough to turn one vegan

    On Apr 18, 12:54*pm, Landon <lan...@noreply.com> wrote:
    > On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Portland
    >
    >
    >
    > <railyardbl...@ymail.com> wrote:
    > >On Apr 18, 12:06 pm, Landon <lan...@noreply.com> wrote:
    > >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:41:14 -0800, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
    > >> wrote:

    >
    > >> >Landon wrote:

    >
    > >> >> I've never understood why someone doesn't just breed animals that are
    > >> >> naturally immune to all of the usual things that the antibiotics are
    > >> >> used for. Put 10 thousand chickens into a pen and high-grade the
    > >> >> survivors out and breed them into a new phenotype of chicken or
    > >> >> whatever.

    >
    > >> >> Surely, there are some that would survive from all of it. Then the
    > >> >> antibiotics wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    >
    > >> >> As little as I know of the subject, that which I don't know is
    > >> >> probably the answer to my question.

    >
    > >> >It's not just to protect against disease. Antibiotics
    > >> >also cause the animals to gain more weight per unit of
    > >> >feed.

    >
    > >> So they do anything that boosts their profits, regardless of the
    > >> consequences.

    >
    > >> Typical greedy bastards.

    >
    > >And supposedly our governments are there to protect us from this
    > >abusive crap. *But then there's the meat packing lobby.

    >
    > I have yet to see any government in the world that is really trying to
    > protect anyone. Government employees from the top to the bottom are
    > there to pad their pockets and suck money from anyone they can for
    > doing as little as possible.


    I know that. You know that. I just wish that the rest of the world
    knew that.

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