Thread: Imagining a Receipe

On Wed 19 Nov 2008 05:17:48a, john zeiss told us...

> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz tomato
> soup before going to bed in the evening. Somehow now much older I have
> an emotional attachment to it and quite often have a cup at night time.
>
> I've not much idea what's really in it, its listed on the tin as:
>
> Tomatoes 84%, vegetable oil, sugar, modified cornflour, salt, dried
> skimmed milk, milk proteins, cream, spice extracts, herb extracts,
> citric acid.
>
> I'm not a big fan of animal products and have no idea how scary
> *modified* cornflour is, or what kind of oil, etc., etc.
>
> I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone
> 'familiar' with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise,
> might be able to *imagine* a recipe roughly similar in taste a novice
> like myself might manage to make? I do have a blender.
>
> Especially one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
> that 'creamy type' tomato taste? Thanks for any advice.

I wouldn’t begin to guess. I have made various recipes of tomato soup
which were all good, but nothing approximating canned tomato soup. Are you
in the UK or AU? We generally don’t see Heinz soups in the US. Our most
common brand is Campbell’s and there are many store brands that are
similar.

As far as modified cornflour (we call it cornstarch), it is made from corn
and there’s nothing dangerous about it. Vegetable oil may be made from a
variety of different vegetables, but it is definitely not an animal
product. Based on the list of ingredients, there appears to be no animal
products in the Heinz product.

Having said all that, I rather like canned tomato soup, especially as a
snack. What we get here is generally “condensed” which means you add a can
of water or milk (if you want cream of tomato soup). I prefer mixing it
with milk. I also prefer drinking it out of a cup. I consider it a
“comfort food”.


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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:17:48 -0000, "john zeiss"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone 'familiar'
>with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise

Why don't you start here!!

http://www.heinz.com.au/Nutrition/As...ritionist.aspx

Not many here are Heinz nutritionalists.

"john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz tomato
> soup before going to bed in the evening.

snippage
one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?

Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil for
butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's still always
good.

You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes. You can put them into boiling
water and then easily peel them, but at this time of year a lot of tomatoes
have scars, bruises and other imperfections which make that not such a good
idea, so I don't. I remove anything I don't want to eat, and then dice them.
If you peel them, dice them when they are peeled.
Cook about 1/2 cup of plain white rice with more water than you usually use-
this so it won't become a rice brick. Drain and rinse it if necessary to
keep it from clumping.
Take six tablespoons of butter and melt it in a deep pot and then add about
a cup of chopped onion and a good-sized pinch of salt. Cook this slowly,
being careful not to brown it, until the onion is softened and cooked. This
is important, because tomatoes don't allow the onions to cook further once
they are added. When the onions are cooked, if you know your tomatoes are
not very sweet, you can add a glug of sherry or Marsala and let it cook off.
Stir in a heaping tablespoon of flour. Then add the diced tomatoes and about
two teaspoons of salt. Cook this slowly, stirring it once in a while to make
sure all the tomato pieces are getting cooked, until the tomatoes are
softened, about 10 minutes or so. Use a stick blender to blend it smooth in
the pan. If you don't have one, you can use a food mill, but you will lose
the seeds and perhaps a little of the flavor. Return the pot to low heat.
Slowly, one tablespoon at a time to begin with, stir in two cups of milk.
Stir it up, and a pinch at a time, correct the salt to your taste. Grind in
some pepper, too. Bring to a simmer and turn off the heat.
To serve it, put some rice in a soup bowl and ladle the tomato cream over
it.
Putting the rice into the soup means you have to eat it all at once or the
rice became a gluey slush. Nicely al dente rice is much better.
You can freeze this in portions or in whole, but freeze the rice separately
in similar quantities.

"john zeiss" wrote:
> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz tomato
> soup before going to bed in the evening. �Somehow now much older I have an
> emotional attachment to it and quite often have a cup at night time.
>
> I've not much idea what's really in it, �its listed on the tin as:
>
> Tomatoes 84%, vegetable oil, sugar, modified cornflour, salt, dried skimmed
> milk, milk proteins, cream, spice extracts, herb extracts, citric acid.
>
> I'm not a big fan of animal products and have no idea how scary *modified*
> cornflour is, or what kind of oil, etc., etc.
>
> I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone 'familiar'
> with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise, might be ableto
> *imagine* a recipe roughly similar in taste a novice like myself might
> manage to make? �I do have a blender.
>
> Especially one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
> that 'creamy type' tomato taste? � �Thanks for any advice..

You can come darn close to the same product, probably even better and
it'll cost less, with a can of tomato paste diluted to your taste, a
little cornstarch for thickener, a bit of cream or milk if you desire
(I'd leave it out), and a little s n' p, add whatever herbs/spices
suits... I would omit the oil altogether or maybe a small dot of
butter at serving. If you're lazy or in a hurry simply dilute a small
tin of tomato sauce, it's already seasoned. All the tomato products
are made from tomato paste (tomato concentrate). Tinned soups are
only a convenience... they're actually not very good, especially the
condensed ones, but they're what folks get used to. I don't find it
any more difficult to open a tin of tomato paste, add water and
thicken... I make tomato egg drop this way very often, had it
yesterday... I detest "cream-of" tomato soup, I find it very off
putting, reminds me of well, canned tomato soup... I like tomato soup
to taste of tomatoes, not tainted breast milk about to turn into
cheeze curds like infant throw up. I don't like any "cream-of" soups,
not even home made.

"Greasy Giusi" wrote:
> "john zeiss" �writes:
>
> > As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of
> > Heinz tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>
> Anyone can make the following soup.
>
> You will need <snip bull****>

IT'S A BEDTIME SNACK, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEND HOURS COOKING LIKE IT'S
A HOLIDAY DINNER, SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, JUST OPEN A
TIN, HEAT AND EAT. YOU'RE AN IGNORANUS.

"Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Greasy Giusi" wrote:
> "john zeiss" ?writes:
>
> > As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of
> > Heinz tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>
> Anyone can make the following soup.
>
> You will need <snip bull****>

IT'S A BEDTIME SNACK, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEND HOURS COOKING LIKE IT'S
A HOLIDAY DINNER, SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, JUST OPEN A
TIN, HEAT AND EAT. YOU'RE AN IGNORANUS.

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Maybe he could make it ahead of time, divide it up into individual portions
and can or freeze those portions.

now who's the ignoramus.

"Mr. Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:17:48 -0000, "john zeiss"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone
>>'familiar'
>>with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise
>
> Why don't you start here!!
>
> http://www.heinz.com.au/Nutrition/As...ritionist.aspx
>
> Not many here are Heinz nutritionalists.
>

That's not what he asked for, at all.

"whatzittooya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:49242330$0$33219$[email protected]..
>
> "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> "Greasy Giusi" wrote:
>> "john zeiss" ?writes:
>>
>> > As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of
>> > Heinz tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>
>> Anyone can make the following soup.
>>
>> You will need <snip bull****>
>
> IT'S A BEDTIME SNACK, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEND HOURS COOKING LIKE IT'S
> A HOLIDAY DINNER, SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, JUST OPEN A
> TIN, HEAT AND EAT. YOU'RE AN IGNORANUS.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Maybe he could make it ahead of time, divide it up into individual
> portions and can or freeze those portions.
>
> now who's the ignoramus.
>

If you did not reply to this asshole I would not have to see his posts. See
you.

Giusi wrote:

> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>
> snippage
> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>
> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil for
> butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's still
> always good.
>
> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.

OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?

<snip>

As for the OP's question... there is a nice step-by-step tomato soup
recipe here (altho' it doesn't mention anything about 'cream')

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2075/tomato-soup
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Chatty Cathy

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
<news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :

> Giusi wrote:
>
>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>
>> snippage
>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>>
>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil for
>> butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's still
>> always good.
>>
>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>
> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?

I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in Italian.

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Tim C. wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
> <news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>>
>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
>
> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
> Italian.
>

Ah, I see. We also get language lessons here now too. Kewl.
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article <[email protected] >,
Wayne Boatwright <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed 19 Nov 2008 05:17:48a, john zeiss told us...
>
> > As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz tomato
> > soup before going to bed in the evening. Somehow now much older I have
> > an emotional attachment to it and quite often have a cup at night time.
> >
> > I've not much idea what's really in it, its listed on the tin as:
> >
> > Tomatoes 84%, vegetable oil, sugar, modified cornflour, salt, dried
> > skimmed milk, milk proteins, cream, spice extracts, herb extracts,
> > citric acid.
> >
> > I'm not a big fan of animal products and have no idea how scary
> > *modified* cornflour is, or what kind of oil, etc., etc.
> >
> > I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone
> > 'familiar' with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise,
> > might be able to *imagine* a recipe roughly similar in taste a novice
> > like myself might manage to make? I do have a blender.
> >
> > Especially one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
> > that 'creamy type' tomato taste? Thanks for any advice.
>
> I wouldn’t begin to guess. I have made various recipes of tomato soup
> which were all good, but nothing approximating canned tomato soup. Are you
> in the UK or AU? We generally don’t see Heinz soups in the US. Our most
> common brand is Campbell’s and there are many store brands that are
> similar.
>
> As far as modified cornflour (we call it cornstarch), it is made from corn
> and there’s nothing dangerous about it. Vegetable oil may be made from a
> variety of different vegetables, but it is definitely not an animal
> product. Based on the list of ingredients, there appears to be no animal
> products in the Heinz product.
>
> Having said all that, I rather like canned tomato soup, especially as a
> snack. What we get here is generally “condensed” which means you add a can
> of water or milk (if you want cream of tomato soup). I prefer mixing it
> with milk. I also prefer drinking it out of a cup. I consider it a
> “comfort food”.

I make tomato soup out of canned tomato paste.
Works for me. :-) Dilute it to the desired texture and add some heavy
cream. Salt and pepper to taste.
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"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

"Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] .247...
> On Wed 19 Nov 2008 05:17:48a, john zeiss told us...
>
>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz tomato
>> soup before going to bed in the evening. Somehow now much older I have
>> an emotional attachment to it and quite often have a cup at night time.
>>
>> I've not much idea what's really in it, its listed on the tin as:
>>
>> Tomatoes 84%, vegetable oil, sugar, modified cornflour, salt, dried
>> skimmed milk, milk proteins, cream, spice extracts, herb extracts,
>> citric acid.
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of animal products and have no idea how scary
>> *modified* cornflour is, or what kind of oil, etc., etc.
>>
>> I know this is not going to be easy, but I am wondering if anyone
>> 'familiar' with this product and who is a bit sophisticated food wise,
>> might be able to *imagine* a recipe roughly similar in taste a novice
>> like myself might manage to make? I do have a blender.
>>
>> Especially one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste? Thanks for any advice.
>
> I wouldn't begin to guess. I have made various recipes of tomato soup
> which were all good, but nothing approximating canned tomato soup. Are
> you
> in the UK or AU? We generally don't see Heinz soups in the US. Our most
> common brand is Campbell's and there are many store brands that are
> similar.
>
> As far as modified cornflour (we call it cornstarch), it is made from corn
> and there's nothing dangerous about it. Vegetable oil may be made from a
> variety of different vegetables, but it is definitely not an animal
> product. Based on the list of ingredients, there appears to be no animal
> products in the Heinz product.
>
>
Heinz is a Canadian company. So far....lol...Sharon

"Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:so48ennxfahx$.[email protected]..
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
> <news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>>
>>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>>
>>> snippage
>>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>>>
>>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil for
>>> butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's still
>>> always good.
>>>
>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>>
>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
>
> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
> Italian.
>

Cathy cannot miss an opportunity to be a bitch.

cybercat wrote:

>
> "Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:so48ennxfahx$.[email protected]..
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
>> <news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :
>>
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>>>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>>>
>>>> snippage
>>>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>>>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>>>>
>>>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil
>>>> for butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's
>>>> still always good.
>>>>
>>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>>>
>>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
>>
>> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
>> Italian.
>>
>
> Cathy cannot miss an opportunity to be a bitch.

<lol> Why does that send my Irony Meter through the roof?
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article <lpXUk.70926$%[email protected]>,
ChattyCathy <[email protected]> wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
> >
> > "Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:so48ennxfahx$.[email protected]..
> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
> >> <news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :
> >>
> >>> Giusi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
> >>>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
> >>>>
> >>>> snippage
> >>>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
> >>>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil
> >>>> for butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's
> >>>> still always good.
> >>>>
> >>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
> >>>
> >>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
> >>
> >> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
> >> Italian.
> >>
> >
> > Cathy cannot miss an opportunity to be a bitch.
>
> <lol> Why does that send my Irony Meter through the roof?

<laughs> Too true!!!
Mine broke. <sigh>
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"whatzittooya" ha scritto nel messaggio
> "Sheldon" wrote in message "Greasy Giusi" wrote:
>> "john zeiss" ?writes:
>>
>> > As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of
>> > Heinz tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>
>> Anyone can make the following soup.
>>
>> You will need <snip bull****>
>
> IT'S A BEDTIME SNACK, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEND HOURS COOKING LIKE IT'S
> A HOLIDAY DINNER, SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, JUST OPEN A
> TIN, HEAT AND EAT. YOU'RE AN IGNORANUS.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Maybe he could make it ahead of time, divide it up into individual
> portions and can or freeze those portions.
>
> now who's the ignoramus.

Which is of course the thing to do and I even mentioned how to freeze it.
You can eat fast and canned or eat what you know is safe and fresh.
Sheldonio is too busy grinding his own chopped meat to pay attention to
anything else. Tomato paste indeed.

"Tim C." ha scritto nel messaggio ChattyCathy wrote in post :
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>>
>>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>>
>>> snippage
>>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>>>
>>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil for
>>> butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's still
>>> always good.
>>>
>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>>
>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
>
> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
> Italian.
> Tim C.

This was copied and pasted from something I wrote for Italians. Chilo is of
course kilo.

cybercat wrote:
> "Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:so48ennxfahx$.[email protected]..
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote in post :
>> <news:bmWUk.70888$%[email protected]> :
>>
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john zeiss" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>> As a child it was a bit of a special treat to have a tin of Heinz
>>>>> tomato soup before going to bed in the evening.
>>>>
>>>> snippage
>>>> one that would be more *healthy*, and also might 'approximate
>>>>> that 'creamy type' tomato taste?
>>>>
>>>> Anyone can make the following soup. I have substituted olive oil
>>>> for butter, canned for fresh tomatoes, left out the rice and it's
>>>> still always good.
>>>>
>>>> You will need about a chilo of ripe tomatoes.
>>>
>>> OK. I give up, what's (or how much) is a chilo?
>>
>> I assumed kilo (kilogram)? It's how 'chilo' would be pronounced in
>> Italian.

Quite!

> Cathy cannot miss an opportunity to be a bitch.

TBH it doesn't take half a brain to work it out, but then...................