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  1. #1
    [email protected] Guest

    Default ice cube madness

    I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    storage got high and a single ice cube got
    placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    but started getting smaller, now it is
    almost nothing.

    What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    stay the same?

  2. #2
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    Sublimation. Evaporation from the dryer air around it. Happens to snow also.



  3. #3
    S. Barker Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    Sublimation

    http://www.wonderquest.com/ice-sublime.htm


    s


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?




  4. #4
    PeterD Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:20:39 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
    wrote:

    >I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    >storage got high and a single ice cube got
    >placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    >but started getting smaller, now it is
    >almost nothing.
    >
    >What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    >stay the same?


    In addition to sublimation as mentioned in other replies, the
    environment is not 'stay the same'. The defrost cycle, done on a daily
    basis raises the temperature of the freezer some and things in certain
    locations where not well cooled can approach freezing temperatures.


  5. #5
    PD Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Mar 18, 4:20*am, monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    Same reason water evaporates in an environment that appears to stay
    the same. Solids can evaporate into gas. Dry ice is famous for doing
    that.

    PD

  6. #6
    JoeSpareBedroom Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    "PD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mar 18, 4:20 am, monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    Same reason water evaporates in an environment that appears to stay
    the same. Solids can evaporate into gas. Dry ice is famous for doing
    that.

    PD

    ==============


    "Famous" is right! I saw some dry ice on Letterman's show last year.



  7. #7
    James Silverton Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    S. wrote on Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:12:23 -0500:

    SB> http://www.wonderquest.com/ice-sublime.htm

    SB> sublimation

    SB> <[email protected]> wrote in message
    SB>
    news:[email protected]...
    ??>> I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic
    ??>> ice maker storage got high and a single ice cube
    ??>> got placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there
    ??>> for a while, but started getting smaller, now it is almost
    ??>> nothing.
    ??>>
    ??>> What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment
    ??>> that appears to stay the same?

    As many people have said the cause is sublimation. Have you ever
    examined the ice-cube tray after a vacation? It will probably be
    quite apparent that the cubes are smaller than when you went
    away.


    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


  8. #8
    DerbyDad03 Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Mar 18, 5:20*am, monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    re: What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that
    appears to stay the same?

    Ice Mites - Small, almost invisible creatures with constant teething
    problems. By eating the stray ice cubes that end up outside of the
    storage bin, they keep their gums numb. It's a survival instinct - if
    they didn't numb their gums, there would be this constant moaning from
    your freezer, resulting in detection and probable elimination.

    In desparate cases, when the ice cubes are removed by the human on a
    regular basis (resulting in few, if any, strays) the mites have been
    known to use their ice grabbing tenticles to create a small hole in
    freezer bags, allowing in just enough moisture for frost to form on
    the stored object. This gives them another source of ice to numb their
    gums.




  9. #9
    JoeSpareBedroom Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    "DerbyDad03" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mar 18, 5:20 am, monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    re: What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that
    appears to stay the same?

    Ice Mites - Small, almost invisible creatures with constant teething
    problems. By eating the stray ice cubes that end up outside of the
    storage bin, they keep their gums numb. It's a survival instinct - if
    they didn't numb their gums, there would be this constant moaning from
    your freezer, resulting in detection and probable elimination.

    In desparate cases, when the ice cubes are removed by the human on a
    regular basis (resulting in few, if any, strays) the mites have been
    known to use their ice grabbing tenticles to create a small hole in
    freezer bags, allowing in just enough moisture for frost to form on
    the stored object. This gives them another source of ice to numb their
    gums.

    ===================

    They don't want us to know about this mite issue.

    They. You know who they are. Them. The same "they" who own the patent for an
    engine that develops 400 horsepower and gets 85 mpg.



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    Brawny Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Mar 18, 5:47*am, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
    > <monkey_cart...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >
    > Sublimation. Evaporation from the dryer air around it. Happens to snow also.



    The same process keeps your freezer "frost free".

  11. #11
    Puester Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    [email protected] wrote:
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?



    It's either due to sublimation or the cube is resting near
    an area that heats up in the self-defrosting cycle.

    gloria p

  12. #12
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness


    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote

    > As many people have said the cause is sublimation. Have you ever examined
    > the ice-cube tray after a vacation? It will probably be quite apparent
    > that the cubes are smaller than when you went away.
    >


    My inlaws didn't use ice cubes. Before going over there for whatever
    occasion, I'd remind them to refill the trays. It would be very
    disappointing to go for dinner and find tiny little dehydrated cubes.

    nancy



  13. #13
    Smitty Two Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    Other's have addressed your concern, but since you brought up ice cubes,
    maybe I can hijack the thread for a moment and invite speculation on an
    odd experience I had many years ago.

    In a standard plastic ice cube tray in my freezer, one of the cubes grew
    a vertical icicle. Probably 1/2" to 3/4" long, and perfectly icicle
    shaped, i.e., a long, narrow, pointed shape, roughly symmetrical but
    with typical irregularities.

    I did keep it, but sublimation apparently ate it up after about a week.
    Never seen it happen again, and never heard of it happening to anyone
    else.

  14. #14
    PD Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Mar 18, 9:49*am, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:

    >
    > In desparate cases, when the ice cubes are removed by the human on a
    > regular basis (resulting in few, if any, strays) the mites have been
    > known to use their ice grabbing tenticles to create a small hole in
    > freezer bags, allowing in just enough moisture for frost to form on
    > the stored object. This gives them another source of ice to numb their
    > gums.


    On this note, it's been observed that if you want to freeze meat or
    fish or shrimp and have it be just as good months later, a good
    technique is to put the food in a ziplock bag and then fill the bag
    full of water before zipping the bag shut. Freezer burn is due to
    sublimation of the water in the food, and by the method just
    described, the added water does the sublimating rather than the food.

    I tried this trick with same-day shrimp acquired in South Carolina in
    June, and I thawed the last 2-lb bag for dinner in January, and it
    tasted just like the shrimp cooked the first day.

    PD


  15. #15
    PD Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On Mar 18, 11:55*am, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > In article
    > <c03e94c6-6c37-475e-a52c-08b91335a...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
    >
    > *monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > > almost nothing.

    >
    > > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > > stay the same?

    >
    > Other's have addressed your concern, but since you brought up ice cubes,
    > maybe I can hijack the thread for a moment and invite speculation on an
    > odd experience I had many years ago.
    >
    > In a standard plastic ice cube tray in my freezer, one of the cubes grew
    > a vertical icicle. Probably 1/2" to 3/4" long, and perfectly icicle
    > shaped, i.e., a long, narrow, pointed shape, roughly symmetrical but
    > with typical irregularities.
    >
    > I did keep it, but sublimation apparently ate it up after about a week.
    > Never seen it happen again, and never heard of it happening to anyone
    > else.


    http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/s.../icespikes.htm

  16. #16
    S. Barker Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    What's an 'ice cube tray' ? <G>

    s


    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:L4QDj.12753$hP3.1528@trnddc02...
    >
    > As many people have said the cause is sublimation. Have you ever examined
    > the ice-cube tray after a vacation? It will probably be quite apparent
    > that the cubes are smaller than when you went away.
    >
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland
    >
    > E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not




  17. #17
    Dan Espen Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    Smitty Two <[email protected]> writes:

    > In article
    > <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    >> storage got high and a single ice cube got
    >> placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    >> but started getting smaller, now it is
    >> almost nothing.
    >>
    >> What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    >> stay the same?

    >
    > Other's have addressed your concern, but since you brought up ice cubes,
    > maybe I can hijack the thread for a moment and invite speculation on an
    > odd experience I had many years ago.
    >
    > In a standard plastic ice cube tray in my freezer, one of the cubes grew
    > a vertical icicle. Probably 1/2" to 3/4" long, and perfectly icicle
    > shaped, i.e., a long, narrow, pointed shape, roughly symmetrical but
    > with typical irregularities.
    >
    > I did keep it, but sublimation apparently ate it up after about a week.
    > Never seen it happen again, and never heard of it happening to anyone
    > else.


    http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2...8191515AARSEiP

  18. #18
    Mitchell Jones Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article
    > <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker. The automatic ice maker
    > > storage got high and a single ice cube got
    > > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > > almost nothing.
    > >
    > > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > > stay the same?

    >
    > Other's have addressed your concern, but since you brought up ice cubes,
    > maybe I can hijack the thread for a moment and invite speculation on an
    > odd experience I had many years ago.
    >
    > In a standard plastic ice cube tray in my freezer, one of the cubes grew
    > a vertical icicle. Probably 1/2" to 3/4" long, and perfectly icicle
    > shaped, i.e., a long, narrow, pointed shape, roughly symmetrical but
    > with typical irregularities.
    >
    > I did keep it, but sublimation apparently ate it up after about a week.
    > Never seen it happen again, and never heard of it happening to anyone
    > else.


    ***{The same question was raised last year at about this time. That
    post, including my response, is copied below. --MJ}***

    In article <[email protected] .com>,
    "Paul Cardinale" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Mar 19, 4:11 pm, Dan <d...@nospamstuff.com> wrote:
    > > My brother was making ice cubes in my fridge for 1792 (Whiskey). One
    > > cube grew an upward rod that ended in a point, about an inch high. My
    > > brother likes to see things like this as signs that our dead dog is
    > > sending a signal, but I told him it probably has something to do with
    > > impurities in the water. Can someone explain this?
    > >
    > > Dan

    >
    > Yes. The explanation as to why your brother sees things that way is:
    > he is a woo-woo.


    ***{I've seen those spikes myself. They rise up out of the centers of
    ice cubes. The likely reason is that the cube freezes from the outside
    in. That means there is a reservoir of liquid in the center of the cube
    as the outside freezes. Since water expands as it freezes, the liquid in
    the center gets squeezed tighter and tighter, and eventually pushes out
    through the point of least resistance. That point is usually at the top
    of the cube in the center. Only in that way can the pressure be
    relieved. Naturally, as water oozes out, it freezes around the edges of
    the opening so formed. Result: a little volcano type of structure arises
    there. That's how the spikes are formed. --MJ}***

    ************************************************** ***************
    If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
    that you are in my killfile. --MJ

  19. #19
    Uncle Al Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > I have a fridge\freezer with an ice maker.


    Eco-terrorist. Each of your ice cubes obtained through the death of a
    Third World baby.

    > The automatic ice maker
    > storage got high


    Baggie your weed adn wrap in aluminum foil before freezing.

    > and a single ice cube got
    > placed behind the large storage tray, it has sat there for a while,
    > but started getting smaller, now it is
    > almost nothing.
    >
    > What causes this cube to get smaller in an environment that appears to
    > stay the same?


    Frost-free freezer. Look it up.
    Never store peroxydicarbonate free radical initiators in a certified
    chemical refigerator frost-free freezer - they explode.

    --
    Uncle Al
    http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
    (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
    http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

  20. #20
    notbob Guest

    Default Re: ice cube madness

    On 2008-03-18, Brawny <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The same process keeps your freezer "frost free".


    Not really.

    Your freezer remains frost free due to a mechanical process. The defrost
    timer completely cuts off the refrigeration unit at regular intervals and
    then a fan comes on and blows above-freezing-air from the refrigerator
    compartment across the freezer coil vanes which melts the accumulated frost.
    This happens for about a 15-30 min period every 12-24 hrs (depending on
    make/model). Defroster timer failure is the most common cause of
    refrigerator malfunctions. It's an easy fix. Just replace the timer, which
    is usually a plug-in module for easy swap out.

    nb

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