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    sf Guest

    Default How Many Food Rules Do You Break?


    I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    bad, I should be dead by this time.
    http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Jun 18, 11:11*pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. *Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...mmandments_of_...
    >
    > --
    > I love cooking with wine.
    > Sometimes I even put it in the food.


    i believe i've broken all of these rules...maybe more than once.

    harriet & critters in azusa

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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

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    sf wrote:

    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html


    I routinely eat runny eggs, I cook beef, veal, and lamb to an internal
    temperature of about 135F, and pork to an internal temperature of 140F. I
    can't say that I check the temperature of reheated leftovers, but I doubt
    that it even comes close to 165F. Sometimes I don't reheat them at all.

    Bob


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    Giusi Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?


    "sf" ha scritto nel messaggio
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >


    Maybe they should do something about contaminated foods before selling them,
    so one doesn't have to contemplate a hard fried egg? Why not set
    regulations so that foods are clean?

    Raw milk has always been possible if the herd is checked regularly for
    tuberculosis. It's only dangerous in cases of neglect or super-farming
    techniques, which frankly I would like to see made illegal.



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    Kalmia Guest

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    On Jun 19, 2:11*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. *Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...mmandments_of_...
    >
    > --
    > I love cooking with wine.
    > Sometimes I even put it in the food.


    What - no more cold pizza? (non-reheated leftover category)
    Anyhow, I HAVE left meat to thaw for an hour or so on the counter,
    knowing full well it's going to get coked for the next meal.

    And I don't even own a fridge thermometer. My lower shelf and crisper
    are so cold, stuff almost freezes as it is. Every therm I've owned
    gets broken or somehow disappears. This is the reverse of the wire
    hanger rule (closet breeding). One of those unexplainable house
    mysteries.


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    Cindy Hamilton Guest

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    On Jun 19, 2:11*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. *Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...mmandments_of_...


    All of them. Except maybe the raw milk one. I've never had any
    interest in raw milk.
    I think the only raw-milk cheese I eat is Parm-Reg, and that's aged
    long enough that
    it doesn't break the rule. I can't rule out that maybe I've had a
    young raw-milk cheese
    somewhere.


    Cindy Hamilton

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    James Silverton Guest

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    Bob wrote on Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:26:22 -0700:

    >> I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those
    >> rules are bad, I should be dead by this
    >> time. http://www.eatingwell.com/health/healthy_cooking/ten_co
    >> mmandments_of_food_safety.html


    > I routinely eat runny eggs, I cook beef, veal, and lamb to an internal
    > temperature of about 135F, and pork to an internal
    > temperature of 140F. I can't say that I check the temperature
    > of reheated leftovers, but I doubt that it even comes close to
    > 165F. Sometimes I don't reheat them at all.


    I'm not really fond of steak tartare and I don't think it is a good idea
    to *routinely* eat raw food that been warmed up to much less than the
    Pasteurization temperature but I do eat sushi and soft-cooked eggs are
    the best!

    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    Me Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?

    On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:11:52 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    >bad, I should be dead by this time.
    >http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html


    Some of the comments are quiet funny as well

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    Nathalie Chiva Guest

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    On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:11:52 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    >bad, I should be dead by this time.
    >http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html


    I definitely break 6 of them (to be specific, I break rules Nr 2, 3,
    4, 5, 6, and 9). Rule Nr 10 I don't break, but that's because I've
    never seen a food recall here...
    Gee, life without raw milk cheese... I'm French and Swiss for
    chrissake!!!
    The only (mild and few) cases of food poisoning I've had were from
    restaurant food...


    Nathalie in Switzerland

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    maxine Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?

    On Jun 19, 2:11*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. *Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...mmandments_of_...
    >

    I probably transgress on 4 or 5 of them on a regular basis.

    For someone with a healthy immune system and reasonable sanitation
    habits overall, you can survive most of them. But when cooking for a
    crowd, potluck, or friends, I will be more careful about the food
    spoilage ones.

    maxine in ri

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    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?

    sf wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >


    I consistently break rules 5 and 6. Nothing happened.

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

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    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?


    sf wrote:
    >
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >
    > --
    > I love cooking with wine.
    > Sometimes I even put it in the food.


    1. Use a refrigerator thermometer to keep your food stored at a safe
    temperature (below 40F).

    My refrigerator has electronic controls, and I shoot it with an infrared
    thermometer now and then to validate.

    2. Defrost food in the refrigerator, the microwave or in cold water,
    never on the counter.

    Pretty much. I do defrost frozen shrimp in warm water since they defrost
    in a couple minutes and then go immediately into the hot pan to saut.

    3. Always use separate cutting boards for raw meat/poultry/fish and
    produce/cooked foods.

    No, I typically use one cutting board for a cooking session, but I
    properly sequence what is going on it, starting with raw produce, then
    cooked stuff, then raw meats/fish.

    4. Always cook meat to proper temperatures, using a calibrated
    instant-read thermometer to make sure.

    Yes, although I use my proper temperatures, not those of some paranoid
    bureaucrats.

    5. Avoid unpasteurized (raw) milk and cheeses made from unpasteurized
    milk that are aged less than 60 days.

    I've never run into those, so N/A, however I wouldn't avoid them if I
    did run into them.

    6. Never eat runny eggs or foods, such as cookie dough, that contain raw
    eggs.

    I always eat eggs runny, and I also readily test stuff with raw eggs in
    it. Never had a problem.

    7. Always wash your hands in warm soapy water for at least 20 seconds
    before handling food and after touching raw meat, poultry or eggs.

    I don't time 20 seconds, but I'm pretty anal about hand washing while
    cooking and probably wash a dozen times in a typical meal cooking
    session.

    8. Always heat leftover foods to 165F.

    Hell no.

    9. Never eat meat, poultry, eggs or sliced fresh fruits and vegetables
    that have been left out for more than 2 hours (1 hour in temperatures
    hotter than 90F).

    It depends entirely on what the item in question is.

    10. Whenever there's a food recall, check products stored at home to
    make sure they are safe.

    No, but nearly every recall is for horrid processed prepared crap that I
    never buy. The few exceptions like the spinach scare also don't affect
    me as I just stick to cooked preparations (love creamed spinach) until
    the scare is over.


    Bonus question: Is the "5 second rule" valid?

    Answer: Yes with qualifications.

    A number of TV programs have reviewed the "5 second rule" and every one
    has got the answer and their test procedures totally wrong.

    In every TV test instance they drop the test food on a surface for the 5
    seconds to contaminate it, but then they incubate the food for 24 hours
    which completely invalidates the test.

    Of course the food picks up contaminants, that isn't the question, the
    question is whether the contaminants it picks up are at levels after the
    5 seconds that are harmful for you to eat *then*, not after 24 hours of
    incubation. The answer is of course *no*, your digestive system can
    readily handle the small amount of bacteria the food has picked up. It's
    even less of an issue say with a raw steak dropped on the way to the
    grill. Rinse of the dirt and put the thing on the grill, it's fine.

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    Sla#s Guest

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    sf wrote:
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.


    I got 10 out of 10!

    Slatts

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    Nancy Young Guest

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    Pete C. wrote:

    > A number of TV programs have reviewed the "5 second rule" and every
    > one has got the answer and their test procedures totally wrong.


    I wonder what prompts all the shows to suddenly cover the same
    subject all of a sudden. No doubt there was a study published.

    I thought the 5 second rule was a JOKE. I had no idea people
    actually thought there were 5 seconds before germs would get
    on the food. Or crud, unless it's been less than a few minutes
    since you mopped the floor.

    Likely it was a joke, and only someone looking to write a paper
    took it seriously.

    nancy

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    ChattyCathy Guest

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    sf wrote:
    >
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    >

    http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >

    Yep, I should be dead by this time too.

    The egg rule cracked me up <eg>. I've been making real mayonnaise with
    raw eggs (laid by my chickens) for a good couple of years... I've
    *always* liked my eggs soft-boiled and my fried eggs with the yokes
    runny.

    I've also thawed my meat on the counter on many, many occasions and have
    never owned a fridge thermometer. [I wondered why the fridge
    thermometer rule was top of the list - but maybe this Eatingwell crowd
    get a percentage of the sales]. Oh, and I like my beef steak rare - so
    rare that a good vet should be able to save it...

    DH and the kidlette have eaten cold pizza for breakfast plenty of times.
    (I heat mine up, but not because I'm afraid of 'germs' - I just don't
    like cold pizza.)

    I've always used a separate cutting board for raw meat, didn't have to
    read any rules to figure that one out.

    IMHO, the food recall one should be a no-brainer too - but I can't speak
    for anybody else. Same for the washing of hands. But there are a lot of
    dumb people in this world... (Yes, even dumber than me).

    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy - still alive and kickin'.

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    Nathalie Chiva Guest

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    On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:04:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    >DH and the kidlette have eaten cold pizza for breakfast plenty of times.
    >(I heat mine up, but not because I'm afraid of 'germs' - I just don't
    >like cold pizza.)


    Well, yes, that's why I don't break *that* rule - I like my leftovers
    (from cooked hot meals) hot, really hot.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

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    Michael Kuettner Guest

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    ChattyCathy wrote:
    > sf wrote:
    >>
    >> I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    >> bad, I should be dead by this time.
    >>

    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >>

    > Yep, I should be dead by this time too.
    >
    > The egg rule cracked me up <eg>. I've been making real mayonnaise with
    > raw eggs (laid by my chickens) for a good couple of years... I've
    > *always* liked my eggs soft-boiled and my fried eggs with the yokes
    > runny.

    <snip>
    That would be OK _if_ you wash your chickens in soapy water for at least
    20 seconds before they lay their eggs.

    Cheers,

    Michael Kuettner






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    ChattyCathy Guest

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    Nathalie Chiva <Nathaliedotchivaatgmail.remove.com> wrote:

    > On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:04:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>DH and the kidlette have eaten cold pizza for breakfast plenty of
    >>times. (I heat mine up, but not because I'm afraid of 'germs' - I just
    >>don't like cold pizza.)

    >
    > Well, yes, that's why I don't break *that* rule - I like my leftovers
    > (from cooked hot meals) hot, really hot.


    Quite so. (If you're going to eat them 'as was'). However, I do like
    slices of leftover cold chicken in a salad, for example. Or some
    slices of cold roast beef with mustard and pickles on a sandwich.
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

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    Dale P Guest

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    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > I got this in my email today. Sheesh, if breaking those rules are
    > bad, I should be dead by this time.
    > http://www.eatingwell.com/health/hea...od_safety.html
    >
    > --
    > I love cooking with wine.
    > Sometimes I even put it in the food.


    Oh my, how did Grandma and Grandpa survive? They had no home refrigeration,
    no meat thermometer, milked their own cow, gathered their own eggs, and did
    not know about food recalls. We have become paranoid.

    Later,

    DP



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    ChattyCathy Guest

    Default Re: How Many Food Rules Do You Break?

    Michael Kuettner wrote:

    > ChattyCathy wrote:
    >>
    >> The egg rule cracked me up <eg>. I've been making real mayonnaise
    >> with raw eggs (laid by my chickens) for a good couple of years...
    >> I've
    >> *always* liked my eggs soft-boiled and my fried eggs with the yokes
    >> runny.

    > <snip>
    > That would be OK _if_ you wash your chickens in soapy water for at
    > least 20 seconds before they lay their eggs.


    <snork>
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy - still laughing

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