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Thread: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugarsubstitutes using the lactose of the milk?

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    thezak Guest

    Default How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugarsubstitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

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    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    thezak wrote:
    > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?


    Maybe you could add some punctuation? I am not sure how to parse
    the end of this question.

    --
    Jean B.

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    Cindy Hamilton Guest

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    On Jun 14, 7:23*am, thezak <don.sak...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?


    Think about this for a minute. You want to add something bitter
    (chocolate) to milk without adding any other sweetener.

    Try adding some unsweetened cocoa powder to hot milk and let
    us all know how you liked it.

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    Doug Freyburger Guest

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    thezak wrote:
    >
    > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?


    What is your source of concentrated milk lactose? I take it that's
    condensed milk. There ya go. Condensed milk, powdered baking cocoa,
    enough water to dilute to the thickness you want, slow heat.

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    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    On Jun 21, 7:33*am, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > thezak wrote:
    >
    > > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    >
    > What is your source of concentrated milk lactose? *I take it that's
    > condensed milk. *There ya go. *Condensed milk, powdered baking cocoa,
    > enough water to dilute to the thickness you want, slow heat.


    Sucrose always forms part of the sweetening in condensed milk, however.

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    Doug Freyburger Guest

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    spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > thezak wrote:

    >
    > > > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > > > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    >
    > > What is your source of concentrated milk lactose? *I take it that's
    > > condensed milk. *There ya go. *Condensed milk, powdered baking cocoa,
    > > enough water to dilute to the thickness you want, slow heat.

    >
    > Sucrose always forms part of the sweetening in condensed milk, however.


    Then evaporated milk, or whatever source of lactose thezak uses. I
    wonder
    if there's a product like sweetened condensed milk that has lactose
    instead
    of sucrose. I've never seen such a product and I'm dubious there is a
    market
    for it as it would be more expensive.

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    Janet Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    > On Jun 14, 7:23 am, thezak <don.sak...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    >> substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    >
    > Think about this for a minute. You want to add something bitter
    > (chocolate) to milk without adding any other sweetener.
    >
    > Try adding some unsweetened cocoa powder to hot milk and let
    > us all know how you liked it.


    My feeling is that sugar is pretty much sugar. If your don't want to used
    refined sugar, use raw sugar or honey.



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    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    On Jun 21, 8:14*am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    > On Jun 14, 7:23*am, thezak <don.sak...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    > > substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    >
    > Think about this for a minute. *You want to add something bitter
    > (chocolate) to milk without adding any other sweetener.
    >
    > Try adding some unsweetened cocoa powder to hot milk and let
    > us all know how you liked it.


    I agree and any suggestions to use canned milk will just make it
    yucky. You either need sugar or sucralose (Splenda), or something
    like honey (which I don't want with chocolate) or aspartame. Adding a
    small amount of unsweetened cocoa to to water to make a paste, then
    mixing that into hot milk, and adding cream (or half&half) would
    appeal to me far more than icky sweetened condensed milk.

    --Bryan

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    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I agree and any suggestions to use canned milk will just make it
    >yucky. You either need sugar or sucralose (Splenda), or something
    >like honey (which I don't want with chocolate) or aspartame. Adding a
    >small amount of unsweetened cocoa to to water to make a paste, then
    >mixing that into hot milk, and adding cream (or half&half) would
    >appeal to me far more than icky sweetened condensed milk.


    I make half-sweet hot chocolate as follows:

    Combine 1/2 cup milk (I actually prefer this to be a mix of cow and
    soy milk, but that's not important), 1/2 portion hot chocolate mix,
    and a good 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of New Mexico chile powder (or a
    mix of some NM, ancho, pasilla, etc.). Stir this and heat in a microwave,
    meanwhile have some how water boiling. Add hot water to reach the size
    of a full cup.

    Satisfactory, I say.

    Steve

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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    Steve Pope wrote:

    > I make half-sweet hot chocolate as follows:
    >
    > Combine 1/2 cup milk (I actually prefer this to be a mix of cow and
    > soy milk, but that's not important), 1/2 portion hot chocolate mix,
    > and a good 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of New Mexico chile powder (or a
    > mix of some NM, ancho, pasilla, etc.). Stir this and heat in a microwave,
    > meanwhile have some how water boiling. Add hot water to reach the size
    > of a full cup.
    >
    > Satisfactory, I say.
    >
    > Steve


    Working back to back 13 hour night shifts makes sleep very precious to
    me. I have a apres work ritual of nuking a big mug of skim milk (2 cups)
    to which I add about a half teaspoon of good cocoa powder and one packet
    of Equal. It isn't sickeningly sweet or artificial tasting, and the warm
    milk's tryptophan really helps put me to sleep. It also helps me get
    more calcium into my aging self, which is important to me.

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    thezak Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    3 cups homemade almond milk
    1/3 cup raw cacao powder
    2-3 tablespoons agave
    1 tablespoon grated cacao butter
    Slightly warm milk in a double boiler or pot on the stove so it is
    just warm to the touch. Do not overheat. Add cacao powder while
    whisking. Continue whisking to incorporate cacao. Add sweetener and
    grated cacao butter
    Mimi Kirk
    Live Raw, Raw Food Recipes for Good Health and Timeless Beauty
    Skyhorse Publishing 2011
    http://veganrawfood.blogspot.com/201...ok-review.html

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    gloria.p Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    On 7/21/2011 4:58 AM, thezak wrote:
    > 3 cups homemade almond milk
    > 1/3 cup raw cacao powder
    > 2-3 tablespoons agave
    > 1 tablespoon grated cacao butter
    > Slightly warm milk in a double boiler or pot on the stove so it is
    > just warm to the touch. Do not overheat. Add cacao powder while
    > whisking. Continue whisking to incorporate cacao. Add sweetener and
    > grated cacao butter
    > Mimi Kirk




    Isn't agave a sugar?

    gloria p


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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    Gloria replied:

    >> 3 cups homemade almond milk
    >> 1/3 cup raw cacao powder
    >> 2-3 tablespoons agave
    >> 1 tablespoon grated cacao butter
    >> Slightly warm milk in a double boiler or pot on the stove so it is
    >> just warm to the touch. Do not overheat. Add cacao powder while
    >> whisking. Continue whisking to incorporate cacao. Add sweetener and
    >> grated cacao butter
    >> Mimi Kirk

    >
    > Isn't agave a sugar?


    Yes it is! I don't think there's a good answer to the question in the
    Subject line. Lactose just isn't all that sweet, and cocoa powder requires a
    lot of sweetening to overcome its bitterness.

    Bob



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    thezak Guest

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    On Jul 21, 10:05*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
    wrote:
    > Gloria replied:
    >
    > >> 3 cups homemade almond milk
    > >> 1/3 cup raw cacao powder
    > >> 2-3 tablespoons agave
    > >> 1 tablespoon grated cacao butter
    > >> Slightly warm milk in a double boiler or pot on the stove so it is
    > >> just warm to the touch. Do not overheat. Add cacao powder while
    > >> whisking. Continue whisking to incorporate cacao. Add sweetener and
    > >> grated cacao butter
    > >> Mimi Kirk

    >
    > > Isn't agave a sugar?

    >
    > Yes it is! I don't think there's a good answer to the question in the
    > Subject line. Lactose just isn't all that sweet, and cocoa powder requires a
    > lot of sweetening to overcome its bitterness.
    >
    > Bob


    Would an ounce or so of coffee counter that bitter cocoa to good
    effect?

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    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:01:18 -0700 (PDT), thezak
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Would an ounce or so of coffee counter that bitter cocoa to good
    > effect?


    I doubt it. Unsweetened coffee is bitter too.

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar withoutsugar substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    On 22/07/2011 8:01 AM, thezak wrote:

    >
    > Would an ounce or so of coffee counter that bitter cocoa to good
    > effect?



    Most certainly. The bitterness of the coffee with compliment the bitter
    cocoa and give it another layer of flavour.


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    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Bryan wrote:

    > On Jun 21, 8:14*am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
    > wrote:
    >> On Jun 14, 7:23*am, thezak <don.sak...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> How can you make a hot chocolate drink without sugar without sugar
    >>> substitutes using the lactose of the milk?

    >>
    >> Think about this for a minute. *You want to add something bitter
    >> (chocolate) to milk without adding any other sweetener.
    >>
    >> Try adding some unsweetened cocoa powder to hot milk and let
    >> us all know how you liked it.

    >
    > I agree and any suggestions to use canned milk will just make it
    > yucky. You either need sugar or sucralose (Splenda), or something
    > like honey (which I don't want with chocolate) or aspartame. Adding a
    > small amount of unsweetened cocoa to to water to make a paste, then
    > mixing that into hot milk, and adding cream (or half&half) would
    > appeal to me far more than icky sweetened condensed milk.


    Who said anything about using canned condensed milk? Now you're just
    making up excuses to bitch and moan.

    -sw

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    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:56:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

    > Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I agree and any suggestions to use canned milk will just make it
    >>yucky. You either need sugar or sucralose (Splenda), or something
    >>like honey (which I don't want with chocolate) or aspartame. Adding a
    >>small amount of unsweetened cocoa to to water to make a paste, then
    >>mixing that into hot milk, and adding cream (or half&half) would
    >>appeal to me far more than icky sweetened condensed milk.

    >
    > I make half-sweet hot chocolate as follows:
    >
    > Combine 1/2 cup milk (I actually prefer this to be a mix of cow and
    > soy milk, but that's not important), 1/2 portion hot chocolate mix,
    > and a good 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of New Mexico chile powder (or a
    > mix of some NM, ancho, pasilla, etc.). Stir this and heat in a microwave,
    > meanwhile have some how water boiling. Add hot water to reach the size
    > of a full cup.


    That's very Aztec of you. I once made a batch of this for a 6th grade
    class as my "Aztec project". As close to the "original" recipe as I
    could find. Which meant no sugar, and I think it had egg or egg
    whites also. It was totally disgusting, especially to young budding
    taste buds such as those found on 11 year olds, and with a snot-like
    appearance and texture. It went over just as I expected but it was
    *authentic*, dammit.

    Another girl had the same idea, except she used good 'ol Hershey's
    syrup. She got the "A". And I got a "C".

    -sw

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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

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    don wrote:

    >> I don't think there's a good answer to the question in the Subject line.
    >> Lactose just isn't all that sweet, and cocoa powder requires a lot of
    >> sweetening to overcome its bitterness.

    >
    > Would an ounce or so of coffee counter that bitter cocoa to good

    effect?

    No, but a pinch of salt might.

    Bob



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    Jean B. Guest

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    gloria.p wrote:
    > On 7/21/2011 4:58 AM, thezak wrote:
    >> 3 cups homemade almond milk
    >> 1/3 cup raw cacao powder
    >> 2-3 tablespoons agave
    >> 1 tablespoon grated cacao butter
    >> Slightly warm milk in a double boiler or pot on the stove so it is
    >> just warm to the touch. Do not overheat. Add cacao powder while
    >> whisking. Continue whisking to incorporate cacao. Add sweetener and
    >> grated cacao butter
    >> Mimi Kirk

    >
    >
    >
    > Isn't agave a sugar?
    >
    > gloria p
    >

    I've been trying to decide whether it is a good thing or not and
    have read some articles that claim it is about on a par with
    HFCS....

    --
    Jean B.

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