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Thread: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

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    ivk Guest

    Default How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    So far, I was able to make very decent basic ice cream. Now I would
    like to try adding various berries - dried cranberries, fresh
    raspberries, or blackberries. But I am not quite sure about the
    technology.

    Can I add pureed berries into the soft ice cream - after the icecream
    maker, but before it goes to the fridge to ripen ? Or should I add
    them before it goes to the icecream maker ? In the latter case, I am
    afraid to damage the blades and walls of the cylinder with the
    seeds.

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    Melba's Jammin' Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    ivk <[email protected]> wrote:

    > So far, I was able to make very decent basic ice cream. Now I would
    > like to try adding various berries - dried cranberries, fresh
    > raspberries, or blackberries. But I am not quite sure about the
    > technology.
    >
    > Can I add pureed berries into the soft ice cream - after the icecream
    > maker, but before it goes to the fridge to ripen ? Or should I add
    > them before it goes to the icecream maker ? In the latter case, I am
    > afraid to damage the blades and walls of the cylinder with the
    > seeds.


    Does the manual that came with the ice cream maker offer any
    suggestions? Mine recommends macerating the fruit in some sugar for
    several hours (overnight?) before adding it to the ice cream or the
    fruit will become hard little fruit ice bits.

    If you're pureeing the fruit I'd add it at the very end of the freezing
    before you take the dasher out. It should be kind of swirly that way.
    JMO.
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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:

    > So far, I was able to make very decent basic ice cream. Now I would
    > like to try adding various berries - dried cranberries, fresh
    > raspberries, or blackberries. But I am not quite sure about the
    > technology.
    >
    > Can I add pureed berries into the soft ice cream - after the icecream
    > maker, but before it goes to the fridge to ripen ? Or should I add
    > them before it goes to the icecream maker ? In the latter case, I am
    > afraid to damage the blades and walls of the cylinder with the
    > seeds.


    You want to mash them at least slightly, then macerate them
    in sugar first. This is important to prevent the berries
    from freezing solid and becoming too hard. No worries
    about hurting the blades because that will soften it.

    For a 1 qt batch of ice cream, mash the berries a bit and
    macerate them in 1/2 C sugar for an hour. Chill them
    completely along with the ice cream base, then mix together
    and run it through the machine.

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    Christine Dabney Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:13:24 -0700, RegForte <[email protected]> wrote:


    >You want to mash them at least slightly, then macerate them
    >in sugar first. This is important to prevent the berries
    >from freezing solid and becoming too hard. No worries
    >about hurting the blades because that will soften it.
    >
    >For a 1 qt batch of ice cream, mash the berries a bit and
    >macerate them in 1/2 C sugar for an hour. Chill them
    >completely along with the ice cream base, then mix together
    >and run it through the machine.


    Another trick (which I learned from Kay Hartman and one of the ice
    creams she made) is to add a tiny bit of vodka to the berry mixture.
    Also helps to prevent the berries from freezing.

    The particular ice cream that Kay made which did this, was peach ice
    cream..but I don't see why it wouldn't work with berries too. However,
    when I have made the peach ice cream, I substituted dark rum for the
    vodka, for the extra hit of flavor. Maybe for berries, use something
    like Cointreau, or framboise, or kirsch, if you choose to go that
    route...

    Christine
    --
    http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

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    ivk Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    Thanks a lot for your piece of advice. Do I need to change the recipe
    for the base (like add more whipping cream, or more egg) to make the
    base harder, considering that now it will be dilluted by a "watery"
    substance ? And what would be good proportions between the base and
    berries for
    1. dried cranberry
    2. raspberry
    3. bluberry

    BTW, the gap between the blades and the walls of the cylinder in my
    icecream maker is razor thin, and blades are plastic, so I am still a
    bit uneasy about the seeds.

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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:
    > Thanks a lot for your piece of advice. Do I need to change the recipe
    > for the base (like add more whipping cream, or more egg) to make the
    > base harder, considering that now it will be dilluted by a "watery"
    > substance ? And what would be good proportions between the base and
    > berries for
    > 1. dried cranberry
    > 2. raspberry
    > 3. bluberry
    >
    > BTW, the gap between the blades and the walls of the cylinder in my
    > icecream maker is razor thin, and blades are plastic, so I am still a
    > bit uneasy about the seeds.


    Nope, you won't have to change anything in the base recipe.
    The berries add water, but the added sugar to the berries
    will compensate and make the sweetness balance out.

    Yer good to go.

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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:


    > And what would be good proportions between the base and
    > berries for
    > 1. dried cranberry
    > 2. raspberry
    > 3. bluberry


    The dried cranberries should be added at the end
    after it's spun. Remove the ice cream from the cylinder
    to a bowl and mix in any nuts, dried fruit, m&ms, etc,
    by hand. Pack and freeze as usual.

    For all fresh fruits, 1/2 C sugar per qt works for me. You
    want want to make minor adjustments per your own tastes
    to get the sweetness just right but I haven't found the
    need.

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    ivk Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    Thanks a lot, RegForte. Though when you mentioned M&Ms I felt shivers
    down my spine :-)

    Now about the proportions. Most recipes suggest 1 C of sugar per 1 qt
    of basic ice cream. So you're suggesting 50% more sugar if fresh fruit
    is added ? I am usually taking 25% less sugar that indicated in
    recipes, so will need to recalculate.

    Also, do you think blueberry would work ? I am afraid it's taste may
    be way too subdued for ice cream.

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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:

    > Thanks a lot, RegForte. Though when you mentioned M&Ms I felt shivers
    > down my spine :-)
    >
    > Now about the proportions. Most recipes suggest 1 C of sugar per 1 qt
    > of basic ice cream. So you're suggesting 50% more sugar if fresh fruit
    > is added ? I am usually taking 25% less sugar that indicated in
    > recipes, so will need to recalculate.
    >


    The 1/2 C number is based on my experience. I think
    I started with 1/3 C then bumped it up a bit. It's all
    about your own tastes here. It will all work, as long as
    the fruit is soft and macerated enough. It needs to
    be quite mashed up before use. I use a potato masher.

    If you really like tweeking your recipes (which I
    don't, I'm lazy and go with 1/2 C per qt for everything),
    here are some numbers from "The Ben and Jerry Ice Cream and
    Dessert Book".

    Fruit Fruit/sugar Ratio
    (by wieght)
    ============== =================
    Banannas No added sugar
    Apples 4 to 1
    Strawberries 4 to 1
    Peaches 4 to 1
    Plums 4 to 1
    Pineapple 4 to 1
    Apricots 3 to 1
    Blackberries 3 to 1
    Cherries 3 to 1
    Rasberries 2 to 1
    Papaya 3 to 1
    Mango 3 to 1
    Pear 3 to 1

    I'm too lazy for that though, not to mention the fact that
    sweetness of any given batch of fruit can vary a lot
    anyway.

    > Also, do you think blueberry would work ? I am afraid it's taste may
    > be way too subdued for ice cream.


    There's some truth to that. If you're looking for 100% crystal
    clear flavor and texture of the fruit, you won't get it by
    mixing it into ice cream. Life's a trade-off

    That said, blueberry ice cream is fantastic. Go for it.



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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:
    > Thanks a lot, RegForte. Though when you mentioned M&Ms I felt shivers
    > down my spine :-)
    >
    > Now about the proportions. Most recipes suggest 1 C of sugar per 1 qt
    > of basic ice cream.


    No the recipes that I use. FWIW, the recipes that came with my Cuisinart
    ice cream maker call for 1/2 cup of sugar with 2 cups of cream and 2
    cups of milk.

    > So you're suggesting 50% more sugar if fresh fruit
    > is added ? I am usually taking 25% less sugar that indicated in
    > recipes, so will need to recalculate.


    Any time that I have added plain chopped fruit I ended up with solid
    chunks of fruit. The best fruit results I had were with Italian plums.
    They had been way to sour to eat, so I made a compote by cooking the
    chopped plums with sugar. I then added some of the compote to a batch of
    ice cream and it turned out to be excellent.

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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    RegForte wrote:
    > ivk wrote:
    >> Thanks a lot for your piece of advice. Do I need to change the recipe
    >> for the base (like add more whipping cream, or more egg) to make the
    >> base harder, considering that now it will be dilluted by a "watery"
    >> substance ? And what would be good proportions between the base and
    >> berries for
    >> 1. dried cranberry
    >> 2. raspberry
    >> 3. bluberry
    >>
    >> BTW, the gap between the blades and the walls of the cylinder in my
    >> icecream maker is razor thin, and blades are plastic, so I am still a
    >> bit uneasy about the seeds.

    >
    > Nope, you won't have to change anything in the base recipe.
    > The berries add water, but the added sugar to the berries
    > will compensate and make the sweetness balance out.


    Adding sugar to the berries ahead of time will draw out some of the
    moisture from the fruit, making a sauce, which will flavour the ice
    cream when it gets mixed in during the freezing process. The sugar will
    also prevent the fruit from freezing into rock hard chunks.

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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    Dave Smith wrote:


    > Any time that I have added plain chopped fruit I ended up with solid
    > chunks of fruit.


    That's because you didn't macerate them.

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    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    Dave Smith wrote:


    >>
    >> Nope, you won't have to change anything in the base recipe.
    >> The berries add water, but the added sugar to the berries
    >> will compensate and make the sweetness balance out.

    >
    >
    > Adding sugar to the berries ahead of time will draw out some of the
    > moisture from the fruit, making a sauce, which will flavour the ice
    > cream when it gets mixed in during the freezing process. The sugar will
    > also prevent the fruit from freezing into rock hard chunks.


    Read a basic book on ice cream making then get back to us.

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    brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT), ivk <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Thanks a lot, RegForte. Though when you mentioned M&Ms I felt shivers
    >down my spine :-)
    >
    >Now about the proportions. Most recipes suggest 1 C of sugar per 1 qt
    >of basic ice cream. So you're suggesting 50% more sugar if fresh fruit
    >is added ? I am usually taking 25% less sugar that indicated in
    >recipes, so will need to recalculate.
    >
    >Also, do you think blueberry would work ? I am afraid it's taste may
    >be way too subdued for ice cream.


    Blueberry is not a popular ice cream flavor, not one of the half dozen
    major national brands I checked sells blueberry ice cream... one local
    company sells blueberry cheesecake ice cream... they all sell
    strawberry, raspberry, and blackberry. I love blueberries, I even
    grow my own, but I don't remember ever buying blueberry ice cream. I
    think fresh whole blueberries are best used to top vanilla ice cream.
    Blueberries seem to work best in baked goods, pancakes, and cold
    cereal. My favorite way to eat the blueberries I grow is plain... no
    store bought blueberries taste even close to fresh picked... unless
    you've eaten fresh picked you only think you know how blueberries
    taste.

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    ivk Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    brooklyn1, I think the purpose of this group is exactly to discuss
    things you can't buy from "major brands". I ate blueberry icecream in
    Europe, it had this violet color and tasted fantastic. But who knows
    how they manufactured it, what kind of blueberries they were using,
    and what they have added to promote the subtle blueberry flavor...
    Never hurts to try, though.

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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    RegForte wrote:
    > Dave Smith wrote:
    >
    >
    >>>
    >>> Nope, you won't have to change anything in the base recipe.
    >>> The berries add water, but the added sugar to the berries
    >>> will compensate and make the sweetness balance out.

    >>
    >>
    >> Adding sugar to the berries ahead of time will draw out some of the
    >> moisture from the fruit, making a sauce, which will flavour the ice
    >> cream when it gets mixed in during the freezing process. The sugar
    >> will also prevent the fruit from freezing into rock hard chunks.

    >
    > Read a basic book on ice cream making then get back to us.


    Yeah, what do I know. I have only been making ice cream for 5 years.

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    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    RegForte wrote:
    > ivk wrote:
    >


    >
    >> Also, do you think blueberry would work ? I am afraid it's taste may
    >> be way too subdued for ice cream.

    >
    > There's some truth to that. If you're looking for 100% crystal
    > clear flavor and texture of the fruit, you won't get it by
    > mixing it into ice cream. Life's a trade-off
    >
    > That said, blueberry ice cream is fantastic. Go for it.
    >
    >


    Why not try making a blueberry syrup (either cooked or just fresh
    berries pureed with sugar) to stir into slightly softened ice cream when
    you eat it? That way you could add more syrup to your ice cream until
    the flavor is strong enough for your taste.

    gloria p


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    brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    Gloria P wrote:
    >RegForte wrote:
    >> ivk wrote:
    >>
    >>> Also, do you think blueberry would work ? I am afraid it's taste may
    >>> be way too subdued for ice cream.

    >>
    >> There's some truth to that. If you're looking for 100% crystal
    >> clear flavor and texture of the fruit, you won't get it by
    >> mixing it into ice cream. Life's a trade-off
    >>
    >> That said, blueberry ice cream is fantastic. Go for it.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Why not try making a blueberry syrup (either cooked or just fresh
    >berries pureed with sugar) to stir into slightly softened ice cream when
    >you eat it? That way you could add more syrup to your ice cream until
    >the flavor is strong enough for your taste.
    >
    >

    I can't see smushing up perfectly good fresh blueberries, I simply
    sprinkle a bunch of fresh picked atop vanilla ice cream, same as I
    would into a bowl of corn flakes. I used to use canned blueberry pie
    filling, adding to the very end of dashing ice cream, but now that I
    grow my own I'm not about to eat them any other way but fresh picked.

    These were picked from my blueberry patch not ten minutes before I
    took this picture: http://i29.tinypic.com/2v7waoi.jpg

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    ivk Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    BTW, do I still need to add vanilla extract to ice cream with fruits
    or berries ?

  20. #20
    RegForte Guest

    Default Re: How to add berries to homemade ice cream ?

    ivk wrote:

    > BTW, do I still need to add vanilla extract to ice cream with fruits
    > or berries ?


    My personal tastes: leave it out. Doesn't work
    well in fruit ice cream.

    YMMV big time

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