Thread: hey, lou! the straight dope on hot dogs with ketchup

cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:

<http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>

money quote:

Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
velvet.

your pal,
blake

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"blake murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
> money quote:
>
> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> velvet.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Yeah, but I really like the way he painted the poker dogs.

MartyB

On Dec 17, 1:12*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:
> --
> *-"blake murphy" <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]..
>
> > cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> > there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> > <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-....>
>
> > money quote:
>
> > Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> > this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> > velvet.
>
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> Yeah, but I really like the way he painted the poker dogs.
>
> MartyB

I thought Van Gogh did that.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
> money quote:
>
> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> velvet.

There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. Hot
dogs aren't in that list. They sell their hot dogs boiled or steamed
which is as bad as serving them cold straight out of the fridge. They
just don't taste good that way. Ketchup goes well on fried or grilled
hot dogs. They taste better that way so it can't be a part of Chicago
style dogs.

Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
babies. They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. It's perfectly okay to
want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
it. Tastes vary.

The real reason there is no ketchup on a Chicago style dog - To make the
local "Italian" beef seem that much better. The stuff rules even when
not compared to hot dogs.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
>money quote:
>
>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>velvet.

Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
eggs.

Lou

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:56:35 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<[email protected]> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>> money quote:
>>
>> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>> this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>> velvet.
>
>There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. Hot
>dogs aren't in that list. They sell their hot dogs boiled or steamed
>which is as bad as serving them cold straight out of the fridge. They
>just don't taste good that way. Ketchup goes well on fried or grilled
>hot dogs. They taste better that way so it can't be a part of Chicago
>style dogs.
>
>Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
>when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
>babies. They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
>There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. It's perfectly okay to
>want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
>it. Tastes vary.
>
>The real reason there is no ketchup on a Chicago style dog - To make the
>local "Italian" beef seem that much better. The stuff rules even when
>not compared to hot dogs.

You paint with too broad of a brush. Most people in Chicago will have
a dog cooked in a variety of ways. Ketchup clashes with them no
matter how they're cooked.

Lou

Lou wrote:

> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on eggs.

If it's just ketchup on eggs, I agree that it's not very good. But ketchup
and Tabasco on a mixture of eggs and hash browns is a different story
altogether.

Bob

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:02:48 -0600, Lou Decruss
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>>money quote:
>>
>>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>>velvet.
>
>Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
>best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>eggs.
>
>Lou

I'm sitting here at 7:45AM having a Starbucks house blend and reading
the article. Tomatoes on hotdog's? What neanderthal thought this one
up? Ketchup on the accompanying hash browns, never on over easy eggs,
and it has to he hunts ( I find it to be less sweetened then say
Heinz).

On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <[email protected]> wrote:

> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on

This silly argument always cracks me up. It's like, who says ketchup
doesn't go on hot dogs? You? Who are you? Not the person who raised
me and fed me and gave me my first hot dog. I like ketchup on
hotdogs. Always have. Not gonna cry if I can't get it, but guess
what. I've yet to see a single hot dog selling establishment, in the
past sixty years that I can remember, that didn't provide ketchup to
those who DO like it on their hot dog. If you DON'T like ketchup on
your hot dog, don't put it on the dog! Pretty simple concept, huh.

nb

blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...e-no-ketchup-o
> n-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
> money quote:
>
> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian,
> but this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on
> black velvet.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

cecil is a know it all. lol.

On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you DON'T like ketchup on
> your hot dog, don't put it on the dog! Pretty simple concept, huh.

Yeah, but they're going to shout down those who don't agree with them
anyway.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>
> This silly argument always cracks me up. It's like, who says ketchup
> doesn't go on hot dogs? You? Who are you? Not the person who raised
> me and fed me and gave me my first hot dog. I like ketchup on
> hotdogs. Always have. Not gonna cry if I can't get it, but guess
> what. I've yet to see a single hot dog selling establishment, in the
> past sixty years that I can remember, that didn't provide ketchup to
> those who DO like it on their hot dog. If you DON'T like ketchup on
> your hot dog, don't put it on the dog! Pretty simple concept, huh.
>
> nb


nb,

As seen on TV, there's a famous hot dog joint somewhere in Chicago
called "Super Dog" that will give you ketchup packets if you ask but
they won't apply it. Food snobs!

To me a hot dog is merely proving grounds for condiments.

Philly has the same "a great cheesesteak doesn't need ketchup" food
snobbery. I will put Dijon mustard on them. A delicious flavor
transformation, imho.

Best,

Andy

On Dec 17, 3:56*pm, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
> > cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> > there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> > <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-....>
>
> > money quote:
>
> > Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> > this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> > velvet.
>
> There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. *Hot
> dogs aren't in that list. *

And neither is that Chicago deep dish pizza. My favorite food thing
about Chicago is the ubiquity of burrito joints.

>
> Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
> when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
> babies. *They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
> There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. *It's perfectly okay to
> want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
> it. *Tastes vary.
>
There are--or at least used to be--folks in St. Louis who used the hot
dog boiling water as a base for milk gravy.

--Bryan

On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>
>This silly argument always cracks me up.

Me too. That's why I play the silly game.

Lou

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:33:24 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on eggs.
>
>If it's just ketchup on eggs, I agree that it's not very good. But ketchup
>and Tabasco on a mixture of eggs and hash browns is a different story
>altogether.

For the record let me say I don't care if someone puts whipped cream
on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. The ketchup
thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans. We're really not as
uptight as the rest of the world thinks.

Lou

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:02:48 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>>money quote:
>>
>>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>>velvet.
>
> Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
> eggs.
>
> Lou

it's always nice when cecil, the world's smartest human™, agrees with you.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:08:19 -0600, Lou Decruss
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>>
>>This silly argument always cracks me up.
>
>Me too. That's why I play the silly game.
>
>Lou

There is a logical reason never to put ketchup on a hotdog, it ****s
up the sauerkraut and brewskis. I like hotdogs in tomato soup, but
then the beverage is grape Nehi.

On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <[email protected]> wrote:

> on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. The ketchup
> thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans.

That's cuz the Chi-dog is, despite what NY'ers and others would like
to believe, ....and not to get into the whole pizza thing....the
zenith of the hot dog diasporia. Who needs ketchup when one has real
tomatoes!?

nb

On 12/17/2010 09:02 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
> eggs.

Exactly!

Serene
--
http://www.momfoodproject.com

On Dec 18, 12:51*pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss <LouDecr...@biteme.com> wrote:
>
> > on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. *The ketchup
> > thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans. *

Eggs and vanilla team up to make nice French toast, and vanilla
custard too..
>
> That's cuz the Chi-dog is, despite what NY'ers and others would like
> to believe, ....and not to get into the whole pizza thing....the
> zenith of the hot dog diasporia. *Who needs ketchup when one has real
> tomatoes!? *

I've gotten excellent NY style pizza in Chicago. I'm looking forward
to the completion of the fast Amtrak between CHI and STL. In spite of
the baseball rivalry, the two cities are pretty good friends. We're
quite complementary in many ways, but one thing we have in common is
bad pizza.
>
> nb

--Bryan