Thread: Healthiest Diet Possible

On Mar 28, 3:26*pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> the back of the tongue.
>
> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins & fats are pre-
> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> removed from the organisms:
>
> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> as fibers are also removed completely.
> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> body]
> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> fatty acids]
> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> necessary for – health.
>
> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> hypothetical diet.
>
> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> acids & glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> drinking water are added.
>
> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> price.
>
> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> living solely off it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Green Xenon


Alternatively join http://groups.google.com/group/healt...743b7520?hl=en

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
>synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
>health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
>organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
>important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
>organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
>This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
>likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
>included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
>friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
>gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
>her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm

You're a little early for April 1st...
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If you want to send me an email please send it to kajikit AT gmail DOT com, not the addy in this message.

On Mar 28, 4:48*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> GreenXenon wrote:
>
> > This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> > likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> > included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> > friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> > gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> > her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
>
> It is at this point that the train
> leaves the tracks. *Nice try, though.
>
> By the way, what you describe sounds
> a lot like Aojiru.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aojiru
>
> I like the part about drinking Aojiru
> being used as a punishment on Japanese
> TV game shows.


It's good for you and you can't taste because your mouth will be
protected. To live the longest possible, just live off this
hypothetical product and perform the optimum amounts & intensities of
cardiovascular, aerobic, and stretch exercises.

It depends upon whether you are talking about the healthiest for an
individual or for mankind in its entirety. I do not even pretemd to know
what it is for an individual.

As for all of mankind, we need a volunteer of to literally eat
GreenXenon so that that curse is removed from polluting all of mankind.

Bill

--
An old man would be better off never having been born.

In article
<[email protected]>,
GreenXenon <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I¹m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. We
still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
we need them for optimum health. By consuming only that which is
pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
secreted by the stomach. The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. If you
eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
infection by nasty microbes.

Bottom line: Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
concoction.

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

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GreenXenon <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hea lthiest_Food_Possible/
>
> Im currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that
> is vegan- friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables,
> fruits, herbs, algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal
> organisms that are Green Xenon

[delete]

You are either simply deranged, considering that a nice garden is
much simpler and more efficient and yields much more
nutritional and tasty products.

Or you have a deranged and lame sense of humor.

Either way, that long and stupid article was a waste of time
to read.

Sid

GreenXenon wrote:
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm

It is at this point that the train
leaves the tracks. Nice try, though.

By the way, what you describe sounds
a lot like Aojiru.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aojiru

I like the part about drinking Aojiru
being used as a punishment on Japanese
TV game shows.

On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller <cjfullerSPAMOR...@mindspring.com>
wrote:


> At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> we need them for optimum health. *


We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
vegetables a day.


> By consuming only that which is
> pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> secreted by the stomach. *


The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
around. So why would the GI atrophy?


> The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> infection by nasty microbes.


No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
[such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
get the nutrients they need.


> Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> concoction.


If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.

On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller <cjfullerSPAMOR...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> > we need them for optimum health. *
>
> We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
> estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
> vegetables a day.
>
> > By consuming only that which is
> > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> > secreted by the stomach. *
>
> The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
> around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>
> > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> > infection by nasty microbes.
>
> No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
> [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
> get the nutrients they need.
>
> > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> > concoction.
>
> If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
> food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.


This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.

This is so frustrating!!!! I want to live LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But
economics won't let me.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:06:10 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller <cjfullerSPAMOR...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
>> > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
>> > we need them for optimum health. *
>>
>> We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
>> estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
>> vegetables a day.
>>
>> > By consuming only that which is
>> > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
>> > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
>> > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
>> > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
>> > secreted by the stomach. *
>>
>> The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
>> around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>>
>> > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
>> > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
>> > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
>> > infection by nasty microbes.
>>
>> No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
>> [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
>> get the nutrients they need.
>>
>> > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
>> > concoction.
>>
>> If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
>> food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.
>
>
>This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
>such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
>so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.


The most healthful diet costs very little... consists of raisin bran
and breast milk.

In a demented moment, GreenXenon wrote:
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors.

LOL! This product wouldn't make you live longer.
It would just seem like you do.

"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex and rich food.
He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson

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On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> the back of the tongue.
>
> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& fats are pre-
> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> removed from the organisms:
>
> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> as fibers are also removed completely.
> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> body]
> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> fatty acids]
> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> necessary for – health.
>
> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> hypothetical diet.
>
> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> acids& glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> drinking water are added.
>
> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> price.
>
> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> living solely off it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Green Xenon

Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On Mar 28, 7:06*pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller <cjfullerSPAMOR...@mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> > > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> > > we need them for optimum health. *
>
> > We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
> > estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
> > vegetables a day.
>
> > > By consuming only that which is
> > > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> > > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> > > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> > > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> > > secreted by the stomach. *
>
> > The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
> > around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>
> > > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> > > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> > > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> > > infection by nasty microbes.
>
> > No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
> > [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
> > get the nutrients they need.
>
> > > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> > > concoction.
>
> > If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
> > food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.
>
> This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
> such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
> so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.
>
> This is so frustrating!!!! I want to live LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But
> economics won't let me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I hate to break it to you dude.......there is no magic pill, no magic
formula. And real food has no non benificial or unnecessary
substances. The body takes what it needs and passes the rest through
the gut and the fiber cleans the gut on the way out.
Nothing really goes to waste, it all has a purpose.

Just eat fresh whole live foods. That's the best and healthiest
'diet'.

GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group: http://health.groups.yah00.com/group...Food_P0ssible/

So is this a legitimate question, or merely a plug for your group?

> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health.

You've already made up your mind and severely limited your options for
no nutritionally logical reason, with the vegan-only requirement. One
thing I have learned, is rigidly sticking to any particular ideology
ultimately proves to be flawed.

If you are truly dedicated to the idea of the "healthiest diet
possible", then at least keep an open mind and consider at least some
things that are superior to vegan equivalents.

This site will give you a very good start: http://www.westonaprice.org
That's assuming you're actually serious about your claimed goal...


--
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who haven't got it - George Bernard Shaw

On Mar 29, 7:38*pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi:
>
> > Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> > I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> > friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> > algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> > necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> > essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> > amounts optimum for human health.
>
> > This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> > synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> > health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> > organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> > important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> > organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> > This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> > likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> > included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> > friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> > gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> > her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> > enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> > consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> > especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> > drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> > entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> > peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> > the back of the tongue.
>
> > Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& *fats are pre-
> > digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> > removed from the organisms:
>
> > 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> > bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> > at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> > during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> > are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> > also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> > add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> > as fibers are also removed completely.
> > 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> > 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> > body]
> > 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> > 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> > fatty acids]
> > 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> > necessary for – health.
>
> > All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> > Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> > To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> > thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> > somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> > chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> > decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> > deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> > causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> > should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> > as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> > balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> > stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> > The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> > keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> > potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> > making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> > consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> > The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> > This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> > bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> > are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> > morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> > are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> > should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> > should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> > link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> > the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> > This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> > hypothetical diet.
>
> > It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> > satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> > decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> > To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> > molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> > way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> > acids& *glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> > substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> > drinking water are added.
>
> > There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> > broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> > to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> > health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> > If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> > just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> > theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> > price.
>
> > What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> > product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> > biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> > smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> > If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> > living solely off it.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Green Xenon
>
> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%

Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy wrote on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT):

> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> lives by 43%

> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?

It might be a bit like saying that a vegetarian diet won't extend your
life, it will just seem that way.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On 30/03/2010 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax<dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi:
>>
>>> Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>>
>>> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
>>> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
>>> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
>>> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
>>> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
>>> amounts optimum for human health.
>>
>>> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
>>> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
>>> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
>>> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
>>> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
>>> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>>
>>> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
>>> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
>>> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
>>> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
>>> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
>>> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
>>> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
>>> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
>>> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
>>> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
>>> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
>>> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
>>> the back of the tongue.
>>
>>> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& fats are pre-
>>> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
>>> removed from the organisms:
>>
>>> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
>>> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
>>> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
>>> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
>>> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
>>> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
>>> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
>>> as fibers are also removed completely.
>>> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
>>> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
>>> body]
>>> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
>>> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
>>> fatty acids]
>>> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
>>> necessary for – health.
>>
>>> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
>>> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>>
>>> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
>>> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
>>> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
>>> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
>>> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
>>> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
>>> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
>>> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
>>> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
>>> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
>>> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
>>> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
>>> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
>>> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
>>> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
>>> consumed to make up for this loss.
>>
>>> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>>
>>> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
>>> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
>>> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
>>> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
>>> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
>>> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
>>> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
>>> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
>>> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
>>> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
>>> hypothetical diet.
>>
>>> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
>>> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
>>> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>>
>>> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
>>> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
>>> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
>>> acids& glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
>>> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
>>> drinking water are added.
>>
>>> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
>>> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
>>> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
>>> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>>
>>> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
>>> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
>>> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
>>> price.
>>
>>> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
>>> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
>>> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
>>> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>>
>>> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
>>> living solely off it.
>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>>> Green Xenon
>>
>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%
>
> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Probably.
Giving them a pleasant environment also extends life

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cindy wrote on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT):
>
>> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>>> lives by 43%
>
>> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>
> It might be a bit like saying that a vegetarian diet won't extend your
> life, it will just seem that way.

Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know they
are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force to
get others to think like they do.

That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
'Only animal products taste good.'

What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural conditioning.

All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what they
consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of consuming
makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds and fermented
(rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on the verge of
hatching...

Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
('vegan').

The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only animal
products will make you healthy and strong."

Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
stallion?

Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and legumes
(peas).

No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.

I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or
cooked animal products makes me ill.

I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.

Sid

On alt.food.vegan, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Mar 30, 12:54=A0pm, Sidney Lambe
> <sidneyla...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton
>> <not.jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > =A0Cindy =A0wrote =A0on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700
>> > (PDT):
>>
>> >> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> >> <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> >>> lives by 43%
>>
>> >> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>>
>> > It might be a bit like saying that a =A0vegetarian diet
>> > won't extend yo=
>
> ur
>
>> > life, it will just seem that way.
>>
>> Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know
>> they are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force
>> to get others to think like they do.
>>
>> That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
>> 'Only animal products taste good.'
>>
>> What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural
>> conditioning.
>>
>> All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what
>> they consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of
>> consuming makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds
>> and fermented (rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on
>> the verge of hatching...
>>
>> Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
>> to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
>> 95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
>> ('vegan').
>>
>> The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only
>> animal products will make you healthy and strong."
>>
>> Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
>> stallion?
>>
>> Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and
>> legumes (peas).
>>
>> No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
>> from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
>> breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.
>>
>> I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or cooked
>> animal products makes me ill.
>
> Well, that's your neurosis.
>
>> I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.
>>
>> Sid
>
> How pleasant for you. However, we evolved to be omnivores,

That's a theory, not fact.

> and that's the best diet for us. Not necessarily in the
> proportions enjoyed by most Americans, but omnivorous
> nevertheless.

Wrong.

The overwhelming majority of the primates are herbivores. And
even according to the _theory_ of evolution, those are our roots.

> It's only recently that H. sapiens has had the luxury of
> pursuing odd dietary regimens.i

Garbage.

> Ponder that while you dine.

Your gullibility is what I will ponder.

Some people just believe everything they see on TV or that's
printed in some public school or college textbook.

They don't understand just how thoroughly politics and
economics corrupt historians and scientists.

Sid