Thread: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

ImStillMags wrote:

> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

>
Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

On May 9, 10:00*am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote:
> > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> > my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
> > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
would do that. !!

"ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote:
> > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> > my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
would do that. !!


It's ugly but harmless oxidation. Non-anodized aluminum will do that.

Paul

On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <[email protected]>
wrote:

>ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
>> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
>> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
>> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
>>
>Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
>not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
even SS pots and eating utensils.

On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >ImStillMags wrote:
>
> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>
> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
> the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
> paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
> those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
> even SS pots and eating utensils.

A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
cleaner than a dishrag could.

ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:

>My Kitchen aid paddle/beater is older, it is one that has the white
>coating on it. The coating is starting to come off so I ordered a
>new paddle/beater. I order the metal one.
>
>I used it this weekend for the first time. Threw it in the
>dishwasher without a second thought.
>
>It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
>my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
>thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
>to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
>So. Do NOT put the newer Kitchen Aid metal paddle/beater in the
>dishwasher. Something in the
>dishwashing chemicals reacts badly with it.

Sucks that it came with no warning. If it came from the factory- or
even if not- I think I'd drop them a line. Costs a few minutes and
maybe they'll send you a coupon to pay for your time. [Tell them how
you've been lusting over that new whisk, but you're hesitant, now.]

The manual for my newish KA says;
[emphasis mine]

"Bowl, white flat heater and white
spiral dough hook may be washed in
an automatic dishwasher. Or, clean
them thoroughly in hot sudsy water
and rinse completely before drying.
Wire whip, burnished spiral dough
hook and burnished flat beater
should be hand washed and *dried
immediately*. Do not wash wire whip,
burnished spiral dough hook and
burnished flat beater in a dishwasher."

Someplace I read that even soaking the burnished tools will discolor
them.

Jim

On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
>> >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
>> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
>> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>>
>> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
>> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>>
>> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
>> the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
>> paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
>> those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
>> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
>> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
>> even SS pots and eating utensils.
>
>A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
>crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
>cleaner than a dishrag could.

Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
bathes you. LOL

On May 9, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
>
>
> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >ImStillMags wrote:
>
> >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>
> >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
> >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
> >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
> >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
> >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
> >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
> >> even SS pots and eating utensils.
>
> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
> >cleaner than a dishrag could.
>
> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
> what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
> bathes you. LOL

Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
wash -- who needs a dishwasher?

On May 9, 6:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
>
> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
> >cleaner than a dishrag could.
>
> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
> what if it takes 20 seconds longer
>
>
Agree. A dish brush does wonders for odd shaped mixing utensils and
such and does it quickly, too. Even a wire whisk is easily cleaned
after a quick swish it hot soapy dishwater if you use a bathroom tile
brush on it. Does a great job of getting between those wires. Of
course this brush needs to be designated for kitchen dishwashing
_only._ It's quite efficient for a manual can opener too, keeps
those cutting teeth crud free.

On Mon, 9 May 2011 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 9, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>
>>
>>
>> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
>> >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
>> >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
>> >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>>
>> >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
>> >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>>
>> >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
>> >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
>> >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
>> >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
>> >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
>> >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
>> >> even SS pots and eating utensils.
>>
>> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
>> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
>> >cleaner than a dishrag could.
>>
>> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
>> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
>> what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
>> bathes you. LOL
>
>Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
>wash -- who needs a dishwasher?

No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.

"Mr. Bill" wrote:
>spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
> wash -- who needs a dishwasher?
>
>Two Bosch on either side of the sink. My best friends.

You're either incredibly lazy, incredibly inept, incredibly slovenly,
all of the above.

On May 9, 1:49*pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> > >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
> > >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> > >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> > >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> > >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>
> > Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
> > the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
> > paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
> > those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
> > that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
> > for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
> > even SS pots and eating utensils.
>
> A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
> crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
> cleaner than a dishrag could.

That's ridiculous. Something is either clean or it's dirty. There are
no degrees of clean.

A $2 dishpan, a squirt of Ajax dishwashing detergent, some hot water
and a 5 minute soak will get that thing as clean as it ever will be.
And it wouldn't have gotten ruined by the dishwasher. I always laugh
when people complain how hard it is to wash a food processor... again,
a 5 minute soak in good detergent (and Lemon Ajax is the best there
is). I don't scrub anything. Greasy messy pans go into a dishpan with
hot tap water and Lemon Ajax dish detergent. I go off and do something
else (wrap up leftovers, make my lunch for tomorrow, feed the cat, use
the bathroom, make a phone call, etc) and when I come back 5-10 min
later, a quick once over with a blue Scotchbrite with more of the hot
soapy water is usually all it takes to get anything clean as new.
Rinse under hot running water and everything sparkles.

Dishwashers are handy when you have a lot to do. The only time I wish
I had one is when I have friends over and there are more than 2-3
dishes to wash. But then we usually tag team the dishes and it gets
done pretty quickly anyway.

On May 9, 12:47*pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My Kitchen aid paddle/beater is older, it is one that has the white
> coating on it. * The coating is starting to come off so I ordered a
> new paddle/beater. *I order the metal one.
>
> I used it this weekend for the first time. * Threw it in the
> dishwasher without a second thought.
>
> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>
> So. * Do NOT put the newer Kitchen Aid metal paddle/beater in the
> dishwasher. * Something in the
> dishwashing chemicals reacts badly with it.
>
> I'll only hand wash it from now on.

I thought everyone knew not to put cast aluminum in a dishwasher. The
detergent will put a black or white powdery coating on it, depending
on the particular alloy. Fortunately, steel wool is an easy-enough
fix. Have you seen http://www.amazon.com/Design-Beater-.../dp/B0015TMI28
?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

On May 9, 1:37*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:


> ... dishwashers are NOT intended
> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
> even SS pots and eating utensils.

Bull****. Expensive dishwashers have stainless steel interiors. Who
feeds you this nonsense?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

"Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>
> "ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > ImStillMags wrote:
> > > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> > > my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> > > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> > > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
> >
> > Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> > not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>
> The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
> would do that. !!
>
> It's ugly but harmless oxidation. Non-anodized aluminum will do that.
>
> Paul

When I ordered a set of KA attachments, they came with clear
instructions warning of discoloration if washed in a dishwasher.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
> washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.

That's the dumb way to do it. The smart way
is to let them pile up in the sink until
you need one of them. No sense cleaning
something if you don't know whether you'll
die before you'll use it again.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 May 2011 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On May 9, 4:24 pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >ImStillMags wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> >> >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> >> >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> >> >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
> >>
> >> >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> >> >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
> >>
> >> >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
> >> >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
> >> >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
> >> >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
> >> >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
> >> >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
> >> >> even SS pots and eating utensils.
> >>
> >> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
> >> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
> >> >cleaner than a dishrag could.
> >>
> >> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
> >> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
> >> what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
> >> bathes you. LOL
> >
> >Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
> >wash -- who needs a dishwasher?
>
> No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
> washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.

Dishwashers wash better and with less water and energy. They certainly
make more sense for the majority of items which are compatible. The
small number of incompatible items are readily hand washed.

On 5/9/2011 1:09 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba<Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> ImStillMags wrote:
>>> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
>>> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
>>> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
>>> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
>>
>> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
>> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
>
> The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
> would do that. !!

Sounds like the same metal that my meat grinder disks are made out of.
I've never put them in the dishwasher, but I have soaked them after
using them and they turn black. After using a dobie on them I never let
them stay wet for long anymore.

Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 5/9/2011 1:09 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> > On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba<Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> ImStillMags wrote:
> >>> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
> >>> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
> >>> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
> >>> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
> >>
> >> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
> >> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
> >
> > The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
> > would do that. !!
>
> Sounds like the same metal that my meat grinder disks are made out of.

Not even close. Beaters = aluminum alloy, grinder disk = tool steel.