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  1. #1
    ImStillMags Guest

    Default A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    My Kitchen aid paddle/beater is older, it is one that has the white
    coating on it. The coating is starting to come off so I ordered a
    new paddle/beater. I order the metal one.

    I used it this weekend for the first time. Threw it in the
    dishwasher without a second thought.

    It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    So. Do NOT put the newer Kitchen Aid metal paddle/beater in the
    dishwasher. Something in the
    dishwashing chemicals reacts badly with it.

    I'll only hand wash it from now on.


  2. #2
    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    ImStillMags wrote:

    > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.


    >

    Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!


  3. #3
    ImStillMags Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 10:00*am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > ImStillMags wrote:
    > > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > > my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
    > > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    > Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!


    The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
    would do that. !!

  4. #4
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater


    "ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > ImStillMags wrote:
    > > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > > my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    > Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!


    The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
    would do that. !!


    It's ugly but harmless oxidation. Non-anodized aluminum will do that.

    Paul



  5. #5
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >ImStillMags wrote:
    >
    >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    >>

    >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!


    Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
    those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    even SS pots and eating utensils.

  6. #6
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >ImStillMags wrote:

    >
    > >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
    > >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    > >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >
    > Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    > the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    > paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
    > those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    > that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    > for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    > even SS pots and eating utensils.


    A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    cleaner than a dishrag could.

  7. #7
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:

    >My Kitchen aid paddle/beater is older, it is one that has the white
    >coating on it. The coating is starting to come off so I ordered a
    >new paddle/beater. I order the metal one.
    >
    >I used it this weekend for the first time. Threw it in the
    >dishwasher without a second thought.
    >
    >It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    >my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    >thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    >to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
    >
    >So. Do NOT put the newer Kitchen Aid metal paddle/beater in the
    >dishwasher. Something in the
    >dishwashing chemicals reacts badly with it.


    Sucks that it came with no warning. If it came from the factory- or
    even if not- I think I'd drop them a line. Costs a few minutes and
    maybe they'll send you a coupon to pay for your time. [Tell them how
    you've been lusting over that new whisk, but you're hesitant, now.]

    The manual for my newish KA says;
    [emphasis mine]

    "Bowl, white flat heater and white
    spiral dough hook may be washed in
    an automatic dishwasher. Or, clean
    them thoroughly in hot sudsy water
    and rinse completely before drying.
    Wire whip, burnished spiral dough
    hook and burnished flat beater
    should be hand washed and *dried
    immediately*. Do not wash wire whip,
    burnished spiral dough hook and
    burnished flat beater in a dishwasher."

    Someplace I read that even soaking the burnished tools will discolor
    them.

    Jim

  8. #8
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >ImStillMags wrote:

    >>
    >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
    >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >>
    >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >>
    >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    >> the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    >> paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
    >> those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    >> even SS pots and eating utensils.

    >
    >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    >cleaner than a dishrag could.


    Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
    hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
    what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
    bathes you. LOL

  9. #9
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    >
    >
    >
    > <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    > >> wrote:

    >
    > >> >ImStillMags wrote:

    >
    > >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    > >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >
    > >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    > >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    > >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
    > >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    > >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    > >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    > >> even SS pots and eating utensils.

    >
    > >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    > >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    > >cleaner than a dishrag could.

    >
    > Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
    > hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
    > what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
    > bathes you. LOL


    Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
    wash -- who needs a dishwasher?

  10. #10
    ItsJoanNotJoann Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 6:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    >
    >
    > >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    > >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    > >cleaner than a dishrag could.

    >
    > Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
    > hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
    > what if it takes 20 seconds longer
    >
    >

    Agree. A dish brush does wonders for odd shaped mixing utensils and
    such and does it quickly, too. Even a wire whisk is easily cleaned
    after a quick swish it hot soapy dishwater if you use a bathroom tile
    brush on it. Does a great job of getting between those wires. Of
    course this brush needs to be designated for kitchen dishwashing
    _only._ It's quite efficient for a manual can opener too, keeps
    those cutting teeth crud free.

  11. #11
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On Mon, 9 May 2011 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On May 9, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    >> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    >> >> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> >ImStillMags wrote:

    >>
    >> >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    >> >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    >> >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    >> >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >>
    >> >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    >> >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >>
    >> >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    >> >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    >> >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
    >> >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    >> >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    >> >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    >> >> even SS pots and eating utensils.

    >>
    >> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    >> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    >> >cleaner than a dishrag could.

    >>
    >> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
    >> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
    >> what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
    >> bathes you. LOL

    >
    >Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
    >wash -- who needs a dishwasher?


    No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
    washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.

  12. #12
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    "Mr. Bill" wrote:
    >spamtrap1888 wrote:
    >
    > Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
    > wash -- who needs a dishwasher?
    >
    >Two Bosch on either side of the sink. My best friends.


    You're either incredibly lazy, incredibly inept, incredibly slovenly,
    all of the above.

  13. #13
    Catmandy (Sheryl) Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 1:49*pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 9, 10:37*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    > > wrote:

    >
    > > >ImStillMags wrote:

    >
    > > >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > > >> my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
    > > >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > > >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >
    > > >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > > >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >
    > > Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    > > the dishwasher. *I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    > > paddle and dough hook too. *But WTF is so difficult about washing
    > > those items by hand? DUH *They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    > > that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    > > for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    > > even SS pots and eating utensils.

    >
    > A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    > crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    > cleaner than a dishrag could.


    That's ridiculous. Something is either clean or it's dirty. There are
    no degrees of clean.

    A $2 dishpan, a squirt of Ajax dishwashing detergent, some hot water
    and a 5 minute soak will get that thing as clean as it ever will be.
    And it wouldn't have gotten ruined by the dishwasher. I always laugh
    when people complain how hard it is to wash a food processor... again,
    a 5 minute soak in good detergent (and Lemon Ajax is the best there
    is). I don't scrub anything. Greasy messy pans go into a dishpan with
    hot tap water and Lemon Ajax dish detergent. I go off and do something
    else (wrap up leftovers, make my lunch for tomorrow, feed the cat, use
    the bathroom, make a phone call, etc) and when I come back 5-10 min
    later, a quick once over with a blue Scotchbrite with more of the hot
    soapy water is usually all it takes to get anything clean as new.
    Rinse under hot running water and everything sparkles.

    Dishwashers are handy when you have a lot to do. The only time I wish
    I had one is when I have friends over and there are more than 2-3
    dishes to wash. But then we usually tag team the dishes and it gets
    done pretty quickly anyway.

  14. #14
    Jerry Avins Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 12:47*pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > My Kitchen aid paddle/beater is older, it is one that has the white
    > coating on it. * The coating is starting to come off so I ordered a
    > new paddle/beater. *I order the metal one.
    >
    > I used it this weekend for the first time. * Threw it in the
    > dishwasher without a second thought.
    >
    > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > my hands were black when I touched it. * *I washed and soaked it
    > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
    >
    > So. * Do NOT put the newer Kitchen Aid metal paddle/beater in the
    > dishwasher. * Something in the
    > dishwashing chemicals reacts badly with it.
    >
    > I'll only hand wash it from now on.


    I thought everyone knew not to put cast aluminum in a dishwasher. The
    detergent will put a black or white powdery coating on it, depending
    on the particular alloy. Fortunately, steel wool is an easy-enough
    fix. Have you seen http://www.amazon.com/Design-Beater-.../dp/B0015TMI28
    ?

    Jerry
    --
    Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

  15. #15
    Jerry Avins Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On May 9, 1:37*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:


    > ... dishwashers are NOT intended
    > for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    > even SS pots and eating utensils.


    Bull****. Expensive dishwashers have stainless steel interiors. Who
    feeds you this nonsense?

    Jerry
    --
    Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

  16. #16
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater


    "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
    >
    > "ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > > ImStillMags wrote:
    > > > It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > > > my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > > > thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > > > to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    > >
    > > Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > > not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >
    > The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
    > would do that. !!
    >
    > It's ugly but harmless oxidation. Non-anodized aluminum will do that.
    >
    > Paul


    When I ordered a set of KA attachments, they came with clear
    instructions warning of discoloration if washed in a dishwasher.

  17. #17
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >
    > No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
    > washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.


    That's the dumb way to do it. The smart way
    is to let them pile up in the sink until
    you need one of them. No sense cleaning
    something if you don't know whether you'll
    die before you'll use it again.

  18. #18
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater


    Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >
    > On Mon, 9 May 2011 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >On May 9, 4:24 pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > >> On Mon, 9 May 2011 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >> >On May 9, 10:37 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > >> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:00:38 -0400, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net>
    > >> >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >> >ImStillMags wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >> >> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > >> >> >> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > >> >> >> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > >> >> >> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
    > >>
    > >> >> >Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > >> >> >not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!
    > >>
    > >> >> Those are both made from cast aluminum... never place aluminum into
    > >> >> the dishwasher. I'm pretty sure that KA makes a stainless steel
    > >> >> paddle and dough hook too. But WTF is so difficult about washing
    > >> >> those items by hand? DUH They're called dishwashers for a reason,
    > >> >> that is what they are designed to wash... dishwashers are NOT intended
    > >> >> for washing ANY metal items, the washing 'soap' will damage ALL metal,
    > >> >> even SS pots and eating utensils.
    > >>
    > >> >A mixer beater typically has a complex shape and little nooks and
    > >> >crannies that can trap batter and such. A dishwasher should get it
    > >> >cleaner than a dishrag could.
    > >>
    > >> Nonsense, there are no nooks and crannies on the paddle or dough
    > >> hook... the wire whisk can be slightly more difficult to wash but so
    > >> what if it takes 20 seconds longer... I imagine your mommy still
    > >> bathes you. LOL

    > >
    > >Plates, spoons, knives, bowls, and pots are all incredibly easy to
    > >wash -- who needs a dishwasher?

    >
    > No one *needs* a dishwasher. I wash most food prep items by hand, all
    > washed, dried, and put away as the meal is served.


    Dishwashers wash better and with less water and energy. They certainly
    make more sense for the majority of items which are compatible. The
    small number of incompatible items are readily hand washed.

  19. #19
    Cheryl Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater

    On 5/9/2011 1:09 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
    > On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba<Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >> ImStillMags wrote:
    >>> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    >>> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    >>> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    >>> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.

    >>
    >> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    >> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    >
    > The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
    > would do that. !!


    Sounds like the same metal that my meat grinder disks are made out of.
    I've never put them in the dishwasher, but I have soaked them after
    using them and they turn black. After using a dobie on them I never let
    them stay wet for long anymore.


  20. #20
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: A "Heads Up" about KA beater


    Cheryl wrote:
    >
    > On 5/9/2011 1:09 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
    > > On May 9, 10:00 am, Goomba<Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > >> ImStillMags wrote:
    > >>> It came out of the dishwasher completely tarnished like old silver and
    > >>> my hands were black when I touched it. I washed and soaked it
    > >>> thoroughly in hot soapy water and then I used silver polish on it
    > >>> to remove the rest of the tarnish and soaked and washed it again.
    > >>
    > >> Ugh. That's what happened to this great ice cream scoop I had. It said
    > >> not to use the dishwasher but who knew!? We handwash it only now!

    > >
    > > The beater did not come with any 'insructions'.....so, who knew it
    > > would do that. !!

    >
    > Sounds like the same metal that my meat grinder disks are made out of.


    Not even close. Beaters = aluminum alloy, grinder disk = tool steel.

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