Thread: Half a billion eggs

"zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for baking and for
> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked with still-runny yolks.

I wondered that, too.

On Aug 21, 3:26*pm, zxcvbob <zxcv...@charter.net> wrote:
> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. *What a
> waste! *Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
> thoroughly instead of throwing them away? *They should be fine for
> baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
> with still-runny yolks.
>
> Bob
Did you hear about a restaurant thta lost cutomer after a cusotner
died from it. It was just before the recall. The restaurant was a
reputble one and so they're dumbfounded. Only with the recall, the
authorities were able to put the puzzle together.

May be they'll sell to the companies that uses in some food items.

"Manda Ruby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Aug 21, 3:26 pm, zxcvbob <zxcv...@charter.net> wrote:
>> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
>> thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
>> baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
>> with still-runny yolks.
>>
>> Bob
> Did you hear about a restaurant thta lost cutomer after a cusotner
> died from it. It was just before the recall. The restaurant was a
> reputble one and so they're dumbfounded. Only with the recall, the
> authorities were able to put the puzzle together.
>
> May be they'll sell to the companies that uses in some food items.

Sort of like the tomato company that sold their off product to another
manufacturer whose cooked product included said tomatoes. Took the FDA a tad
longer, but still found source of that salmonella.

Realizing, of course, the best the best solution is not the easiest way to
do things, that may explain why sweeping the eggs under the table won't work
in the long run.

Best long term solution is to seriously fine, and put executives in jail
for killing customers if they can't fix their own products.

Alan

In article <[email protected]>,
zxcvbob <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
> thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
> baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
> with still-runny yolks.

What amazes me is how unhealthy the chickens must be. To have that
much salmonella in the oviduct, for the standard bleach solution
cleaning on eggs that are sold in the stores not to have enough of an
effect. However, we can just trust Agribusiness and the USDA to protect
us, never mind trying to improve animal husbandry, living conditions or
feed.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

"zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for baking and for
> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked with still-runny yolks.
>
> Bob

I wonder how many will actually be returned. IIRC, the starting date was in
May. I doubt many people still have eggs from a few months ago.

I wonder too, if the eggs will be sorted to cull the infected ones and use
the good to make powdered eggs or the like.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:52:23 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]..
>> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
>> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for baking and for
>> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked with still-runny yolks.
>>
>> Bob
>
>I wonder how many will actually be returned. IIRC, the starting date was in
>May. I doubt many people still have eggs from a few months ago.
>
>I wonder too, if the eggs will be sorted to cull the infected ones and use
>the good to make powdered eggs or the like.

Those eggs will very likely be destroyed,,, chickens don't stop laying
eggs, the supply won't diminish.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:52:23 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]..
> >> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
> >> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
> >> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for baking and for
> >> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked with still-runny yolks.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> >I wonder how many will actually be returned. IIRC, the starting date was in
> >May. I doubt many people still have eggs from a few months ago.
> >
> >I wonder too, if the eggs will be sorted to cull the infected ones and use
> >the good to make powdered eggs or the like.
>
> Those eggs will very likely be destroyed,,, chickens don't stop laying
> eggs, the supply won't diminish.



Whatever the case, made breakfast for dinner like a day before the
announcement and had one egg that had some slightly slimy egg white,
which wasn't white, as in undercooked.

And I really don't like re-cooking longer of what should have been
done right in the first place.

So I was going to give it to somebody else but thought, my laziness
should not give somebody else a possible illness, so I had it myself.
-
I know how bad food illness can be.
-
I worked at a high volume pizza chain, well very very high. Biggest of
the state.

So anyway I used to work the landing area on the highest volume
nights, at the end of the conveyor oven, to cut and package pizzas.

I would take a pizza (before the rush) and send it through, to test
the (probable) nights finished product, and adjust.

Then I would put it under the landing table, to eat on it all night.
(supposed to throw it away) <- waste

Anyway the test pizza from the Saturday night the week before was down
there, and I was thinking, how did this move from where I had it,
anyway took a big bite. (To much action to look what I was eating.)
-
Eghhh, any way I considered going outside and try to voluntarily barf,
but all the phone lines were lit up, the lobby was packed, and had
pizzas coming out faster than I could package em, (pizza pizza ya
know)

So I didn't do what I should have, that was barfing.
-
So anyway felt kinda crappy the next morning, then in just minutes it
was severe dizziness.

Just the most horrid feeling.

Seriously should have went to the hospital, but couldn't really do
anything, maybe, possibly, dial 911 and drool.

Luckily was able to sleep really heavily most of the first days,
-
Anyway didn't poo for a week so surely nothing was being digested.

Bloating and seriously ****ed up tasting burp ups pretty much
confirmed that.

Each burp would 'slightly limit' hours upon hours of intense pain and
would allow some sleep until the next time.
-
Should have just stuck my finger down my throat, 'at any given time.'
-
Anyway almost a week later I finally barfed up the worst foulest huge
mass of stuff, for about 20 minutes.

It hurt bad but we all know how that goes, moments of watery eyes and
a 'whew' of relief..

So anyway, woke up the next day with a mild headache most of the day
but was doing 92% better.

So then after all, the day after feeling better, it was a complete
week later.

Went back to work at the store and guess what was under there?

The 'original pizza' and the 'new pizza' from the week before, still
under there..
-

The End.

"zxcvbob" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio

> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a >
> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for > baking and for
> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked > with still-runny
> yolks.

They have known how to remove salmonella from the poultry population for
more than a decade. Why not insist on that solution instead of mass
exterminations and wasting tons of feed, electricity, water that go into
producing that many eggs? They claim it's because egg would cost more, but
it's only a little more and isn't it worth it? How many got sick this time?

Ranee wrote:

> What amazes me is how unhealthy the chickens must be. To have that
> much salmonella in the oviduct, for the standard bleach solution
> cleaning on eggs that are sold in the stores not to have enough of an
> effect.

Bleach only affects the outside of the egg. The salmonella is inside.

Bob

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:26:44 -0500, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
wrote:

>...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
>thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
>baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
>with still-runny yolks.
>
>Bob

We rarely, if ever, have that problem here. But I never buy cage eggs
anyway. Stick to free range for many reasons: animal health, human
health, and not least - taste.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d & e; metformin 1500mg
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:26:44 -0500, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
wrote:

>...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
>thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
>baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
>with still-runny yolks.
>
>Bob

Here is a pretty complete story. I copied it from my Yahoo news.

A supplier in egg recall has history of violations
AP

By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Mary Clare Jalonick,
Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 38 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Two Iowa farms that together recalled more than half a
billion potentially tainted eggs this month share close ties,
including suppliers of chickens and feed.

Both farms are linked to businessman Austin "Jack" DeCoster, who has
been cited for numerous health, safety and employment violations over
the years. DeCoster owns Wright County Egg, the original farm that
recalled 380 million eggs Aug. 13 after they were linked to more than
1,000 reported cases of salmonella poisoning.

Another of his companies, Quality Egg, supplies young chickens and
feed to both Wright County Egg and Hillandale Farms, the second farm
that recalled another 170 million eggs a week later.

Jewanna Porter, a spokeswoman for the egg industry, said the two
companies share other suppliers as well, but she did not name them.

The cause of the outbreaks is so far unknown, as Food and Drug
Administration investigators are still on the ground at the farms
trying to figure it out. The federal Centers for Disease Control has
said the number of illnesses, estimated as high as 1,300, would likely
grow.

DeCoster is no stranger to controversy in his food and farm
operations:

• In 1997, DeCoster Egg Farms agreed to pay $2 million in fines to
settle citations brought in 1996 for health and safety violations at
DeCoster's farm in Turner, Maine. Then-Labor Secretary Robert Reich
said conditions were "as dangerous and oppressive as any sweatshop."
He cited unguarded machinery, electrical hazards, exposure to harmful
bacteria and other unsanitary conditions.

• In 2000, Iowa designated DeCoster a "habitual violator" of
environmental regulations for problems that included hog manure runoff
into waterways. The label made him subject to increased penalties and
prohibited him from building new farms.

• In 2002, the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
announced a more than $1.5 million settlement of an employment
discrimination lawsuit against DeCoster Farms on behalf of Mexican
women who reported they were subjected to sexual harassment, including
rape, abuse and retaliation by some supervisory workers at DeCoster's
Wright County plants.

• In 2007, 51 workers were arrested during an immigration raid at six
DeCoster egg farms. The farm had been the subject of at least three
previous raids.

• In June 2010, Maine Contract Farming — the successor company to
DeCoster Egg Farms — agreed in state court to pay $25,000 in penalties
and to make a one-time payment of $100,000 to the Maine Department of
Agriculture over animal cruelty allegations that were spurred by a
hidden-camera investigation by an animal welfare organization.

It is unclear what role DeCoster's company played in the current
salmonella outbreak. The FDA investigation could take months, and
sources of contamination are often difficult to find. The current
recall goes back to April, and many of the eggs have already been
consumed.

Still, DeCoster's Wright County Egg is already facing at least two
lawsuits related to the egg recall. One is from food distributor Dutch
Farms, which says the company used unauthorized cartons to package and
sell eggs under its brand without its knowledge.

The other is from a person who said they became ill after eating
tainted eggs in a salad at a restaurant in Kenosha, Wis.

The CDC said investigations by 10 states since April have identified
26 cases where more than one person became ill. Preliminary
information showed that Wright was the supplier in at least 15 of
those.

Almost 2,000 illnesses from the strain of salmonella linked to both
recalls were reported between May and July, nearly 1,300 more than
usual, the CDC said. No deaths have been reported.

The most common symptoms of salmonella are diarrhea, abdominal cramps
and fever within eight hours to 72 hours of eating a contaminated
product. The disease can be life-threatening, especially to those with
weakened immune systems.

___

Associated Press Writer Jeff Baenen in Minneapolis contributed to this
report.
--
Susan N.

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48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:26:44 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:

> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
> thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
> baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
> with still-runny yolks.

Kinda like having sex with somebody who has AIDS as long as you use a
rubber.

-sw

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:52:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I wonder too, if the eggs will be sorted to cull the infected ones and use
> the good to make powdered eggs or the like.

I really doubt it would be economical to individually test $.07 eggs. And
the returned eggs were most likely not stored properly and many have broken
(leaking salmonella all over the non-salmonella eggs).

-sw

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:48:27 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>Ranee wrote:
>
>> What amazes me is how unhealthy the chickens must be. To have that
>> much salmonella in the oviduct, for the standard bleach solution
>> cleaning on eggs that are sold in the stores not to have enough of an
>> effect.
>
>Bleach only affects the outside of the egg. The salmonella is inside.
>
>Idiot Bob
>
>

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:41:00 -0500, The Cook <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:26:44 -0500, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>>waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
>>thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
>>baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
>>with still-runny yolks.
>>
>>Bob
>
>Here is a pretty complete story. I copied it from my Yahoo news.
>
>A supplier in egg recall has history of violations
>AP
>
>By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Mary Clare Jalonick,
>Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 38 mins ago
>
>WASHINGTON – Two Iowa farms that together recalled more than half a
>billion potentially tainted eggs this month share close ties,
>including suppliers of chickens and feed.
>
>Both farms are linked to businessman Austin "Jack" DeCoster, who has
>been cited for numerous health, safety and employment violations over
>the years. DeCoster owns Wright County Egg, the original farm that
>recalled 380 million eggs Aug. 13 after they were linked to more than
>1,000 reported cases of salmonella poisoning.
>
>Another of his companies, Quality Egg, supplies young chickens and
>feed to both Wright County Egg and Hillandale Farms, the second farm
>that recalled another 170 million eggs a week later.
>
>Jewanna Porter, a spokeswoman for the egg industry, said the two
>companies share other suppliers as well, but she did not name them.
>
>
>The cause of the outbreaks is so far unknown, as Food and Drug
>Administration investigators are still on the ground at the farms
>trying to figure it out.


Posting this article is real helpful...

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:52:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "zxcvbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually thoroughly
>> instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for baking and for
>> scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked with still-runny yolks.
>>
>> Bob
>
> I wonder how many will actually be returned. IIRC, the starting date was in
> May. I doubt many people still have eggs from a few months ago.
>
> I wonder too, if the eggs will be sorted to cull the infected ones and use
> the good to make powdered eggs or the like.

no way. if someone got sick (or even pretended to get sick) from a product
*knowingly* made from a batch of eggs that was recalled there'd be hell to
pay. the return wouldn't be worth the risk.

your pal,
blake

On 8/21/2010 10:41 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> zxcvbob<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...recalled for salmonella, and the number is still growing. What a
>> waste! Why can't they encourage people to cook them unusually
>> thoroughly instead of throwing them away? They should be fine for
>> baking and for scrambled eggs, just don't eat them raw or cooked
>> with still-runny yolks.
>
> What amazes me is how unhealthy the chickens must be. To have that
> much salmonella in the oviduct, for the standard bleach solution
> cleaning on eggs that are sold in the stores not to have enough of an
> effect. However, we can just trust Agribusiness and the USDA to protect
> us, never mind trying to improve animal husbandry, living conditions or
> feed.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits
>
> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
> http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

And one of the problems is the "walmart effect" (cheap prices are all
that matter not value). So many people have very unreasonable
expectations about what things should cost. Twenty years ago a dozen of
eggs was $1 and people still expect that same price now (neglecting how
much that dollar has gone down in value). So producers cut costs and
corners any way they can because so many demand cheap.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:27:41 -0700 (PDT), duckstandard
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Went back to work at the store and guess what was under there?
>
> The 'original pizza' and the 'new pizza' from the week before, still
> under there..

I guess your manager doesn't have very high standards for clean up and
nobody inspects anything. Too bad you learned it the hard way.

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:59:38 +0200, "Giusi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> They have known how to remove salmonella from the poultry population for
> more than a decade. Why not insist on that solution instead of mass
> exterminations and wasting tons of feed, electricity, water that go into
> producing that many eggs? They claim it's because egg would cost more, but
> it's only a little more and isn't it worth it? How many got sick this time?

Why wouldn't vaccinating be a better solution? Once and you're done
vs. doing all the other stuff that has to be a lot more expensive in
the long run.

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.