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    Sky Guest

    Default Gumbo file' &/or/vs. rootbeer

    Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    (whatever!)?

    Sky, who's just curious

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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

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    Sky wrote:

    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other?


    Root beer has more than just sassafras flavor. (Note that the FDA banned
    sassafras in root beer quite a few years ago.) You can REALLY taste the
    wintergreen in some brands of root beer. Birch beer and sarsparilla are
    similar to root beer but not much like gumbo filé. Of course you don't have
    ANY natural flavors in the cheap root beers. (Hmmm... Given that wintergreen
    flavor flavor I mentioned, I wonder how root beer would be as the braising
    liquid for lamb.)

    So the bottom line is no, they really can't be substituted for each other;
    they're not very much alike.

    Bob




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    Lin Guest

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    Bob Terwilliger wrote:

    > (Hmmm... Given that wintergreen
    > flavor flavor I mentioned, I wonder how root beer would be as the braising
    > liquid for lamb.)


    Considering that the only mint I really "like" (besides that little
    chocolate mint plant growing on our patio) is wintergreen, and I do love
    rootbeer, I'd be willing to give it a try.

    --Lin

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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

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    Lin wrote:

    >> (Hmmm... Given that wintergreen flavor flavor I mentioned, I wonder how
    >> root beer would be as the braising liquid for lamb.)

    >
    > Considering that the only mint I really "like" (besides that little
    > chocolate mint plant growing on our patio) is wintergreen, and I do love
    > rootbeer, I'd be willing to give it a try.


    The brand which has that strong wintergreen flavor is Henry Weinhardt's.
    BevMo carries it.

    Bob




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    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

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    "Sky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    > twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    > a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    > (whatever!)?
    >
    > Sky, who's just curious
    >
    > --
    > Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    > Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!



    don't think I'd like that 'little bit o' fizz' in my gumbo (smile). The
    only thing I've seen root beer used for (and my recipe calls for a specific
    brand - not a store brand) is pulled pork. Boneless pork loin of around 3-4
    lbs. and a 16 oz. bottle of root beer in a crock pot until the meat falls
    apart.
    -ginny



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    notbob Guest

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    On 2010-06-11, Sky <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other?


    Probably not, as I doubt there are any commercial root beers that
    actually include real sassafras. In fact, sassafras was banned as an
    ingredient in root beer until the health food whackos lobbied to turn
    dietary supplements into a dangerous free-for-all. Read the wiki on
    sassafras and follow a few relevent links. Very enlightening.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassafras

    nb

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 6/11/2010 7:46 AM, Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
    > "Sky"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >> be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    >> twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    >> a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    >> (whatever!)?
    >>
    >> Sky, who's just curious
    >>
    >> --
    >> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    >> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

    >
    >
    > don't think I'd like that 'little bit o' fizz' in my gumbo (smile). The
    > only thing I've seen root beer used for (and my recipe calls for a specific
    > brand - not a store brand) is pulled pork. Boneless pork loin of around 3-4
    > lbs. and a 16 oz. bottle of root beer in a crock pot until the meat falls
    > apart.
    > -ginny
    >
    >


    I've a friend who swears by his momma's recipe for cooking a ham, pour
    Dr. Pepper all over the ham and the cover it with file', bake. I tried a
    slice once at his house and nearly threw up. His current wife won't let
    him make it as he is the only one who will eat it.

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    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

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    "George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ...
    > On 6/11/2010 7:46 AM, Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
    >> "Sky"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >>> be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    >>> twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    >>> a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    >>> (whatever!)?
    >>>
    >>> Sky, who's just curious
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    >>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

    >>
    >>
    >> don't think I'd like that 'little bit o' fizz' in my gumbo (smile). The
    >> only thing I've seen root beer used for (and my recipe calls for a
    >> specific
    >> brand - not a store brand) is pulled pork. Boneless pork loin of around
    >> 3-4
    >> lbs. and a 16 oz. bottle of root beer in a crock pot until the meat falls
    >> apart.
    >> -ginny
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I've a friend who swears by his momma's recipe for cooking a ham, pour Dr.
    > Pepper all over the ham and the cover it with file', bake. I tried a slice
    > once at his house and nearly threw up. His current wife won't let him make
    > it as he is the only one who will eat it.


    I gack at the thought of Dr. Pepper, too (smile).
    -ginny



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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:10:09 -0500, George Shirley wrote:

    > On 6/11/2010 7:46 AM, Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
    >> "Sky"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >>> be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    >>> twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    >>> a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    >>> (whatever!)?
    >>>
    >>> Sky, who's just curious
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    >>> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

    >>
    >>
    >> don't think I'd like that 'little bit o' fizz' in my gumbo (smile). The
    >> only thing I've seen root beer used for (and my recipe calls for a specific
    >> brand - not a store brand) is pulled pork. Boneless pork loin of around 3-4
    >> lbs. and a 16 oz. bottle of root beer in a crock pot until the meat falls
    >> apart.
    >> -ginny
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I've a friend who swears by his momma's recipe for cooking a ham, pour
    > Dr. Pepper all over the ham and the cover it with file', bake. I tried a
    > slice once at his house and nearly threw up. His current wife won't let
    > him make it as he is the only one who will eat it.


    his wife won't let him? by god, who wears the apron in his family?!?!

    your pal,
    blake

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    Doug Freyburger Guest

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    notbob wrote:
    > Sky <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >> be substituted for each other?


    File' is made from the almost flavorless leaves that act like starch.
    Root been used to be made from the flavor filled root bark.

    > Probably not, as I doubt there are any commercial root beers that
    > actually include real sassafras. In fact, sassafras was banned as an
    > ingredient in root beer until the health food whackos lobbied to turn
    > dietary supplements into a dangerous free-for-all. Read the wiki on
    > sassafras and follow a few relevent links. Very enlightening.
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassafras


    About 1990 I read up on saferole and decided to make a couple of
    batches of real root beer from scratch using an old recipe. I think
    Eric Hughes then at Berkeley posted the book reference on RFC. The
    resulting brew was too wierd for anyone who tried it.

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    piedmont Guest

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    Sky <[email protected]> wrote in news:4C11E242.5325
    @NOsbcglobal.SnPeAtM:

    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can

    they
    > be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    > twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely

    as
    > a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    > (whatever!)?
    >
    > Sky, who's just curious
    >


    Hey Sky,

    Read this, I hope it answers your question.


    > Filé powder
    > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    >
    > Filé powder, also called gumbo filé, is a spice made from dried and

    ground sassafras leaves. It is used in the making of some types of
    gumbo, a Creole and Cajun soup/stew. It is sprinkled sparingly over
    gumbo as a seasoning and a thickening agent, giving it a distinctive
    flavor and texture. Filé can provide thickening when okra is not in
    season.[1]
    >
    > Unlike sassafras roots, sassafras leaves do not contain a detectable

    amount of safrole.[2] Safrole is toxic to the liver and somewhat
    carcinogenic.[3][4]



    --
    regards,

    piedmont (michael)

    the practical bbq'r!; http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/

    SeeSig>(mawil55)

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    zxcvbob Guest

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    Bob Terwilliger wrote:
    > Sky wrote:
    >
    >> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >> be substituted for each other?

    >
    > Root beer has more than just sassafras flavor. (Note that the FDA banned
    > sassafras in root beer quite a few years ago.) You can REALLY taste the
    > wintergreen in some brands of root beer. Birch beer and sarsparilla are
    > similar to root beer but not much like gumbo filé. Of course you don't have
    > ANY natural flavors in the cheap root beers. (Hmmm... Given that wintergreen
    > flavor flavor I mentioned, I wonder how root beer would be as the braising
    > liquid for lamb.)
    >
    > So the bottom line is no, they really can't be substituted for each other;
    > they're not very much alike.
    >
    > Bob
    >


    If you want something similar to commercial rootbeer, use those little
    bottles of McCormick's or Schilling's rootbeer extract and follow the
    directions -- they make 5 gallons, and it doesn't keep very well.

    If you want to make your own from scratch, and want it to taste
    recognizable, rather than sassafras I think the primary flavors should
    be wintergreen and molasses with a little vanilla. (wild cherry bark
    is another possibility.)

    Filé powder won't work at all. Well, maybe as a minor ingredient, but
    it won't get you the sassafras root smell you want.

    Bob

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    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:14:10 -0500, Sky <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    > twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    > a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    > (whatever!)?
    >
    > Sky, who's just curious


    Would you just heat up some root beer if you wanted sassafras tea?

    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

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    brooklyn1 Guest

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    On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:05:45 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 2010-06-11, Sky <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    >> be substituted for each other?

    >
    >Probably not, as I doubt there are any commercial root beers that
    >actually include real sassafras. In fact, sassafras was banned as an
    >ingredient in root beer until the health food whackos lobbied to turn
    >dietary supplements into a dangerous free-for-all. Read the wiki on
    >sassafras and follow a few relevent links. Very enlightening.
    >
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassafras
    >
    >nb


    Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasparilla

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    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:05:45 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Read the wiki on sassafras and follow a few relevent links.


    Dear god, nb. It's people like you who got me into trouble with the
    Wiki word police. Say Wikipedia when you mean Wikipedia or I'll
    continue to call it Wiki too.


    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

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    notbob Guest

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    On 2010-06-11, sf <sf@geem[email protected]> wrote:

    > Dear god, nb. It's people like you who got me into trouble with the
    > Wiki word police.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_God

    I didn't read it, also.

    nb

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    JL Guest

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    Sky wrote:
    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    > twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    > a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    > (whatever!)?
    >
    > Sky, who's just curious
    >


    I have heard of the older version of "root beer" sold as "sassperells"
    used in various foods i just cant remember which?

    --

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    Domine, dirige nos.

    Let the games begin!
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    Becca Guest

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    On 6/11/2010 11:07 AM, zxcvbob wrote:
    > If you want something similar to commercial rootbeer, use those little
    > bottles of McCormick's or Schilling's rootbeer extract and follow the
    > directions -- they make 5 gallons, and it doesn't keep very well.
    >
    > If you want to make your own from scratch, and want it to taste
    > recognizable, rather than sassafras I think the primary flavors should
    > be wintergreen and molasses with a little vanilla. (wild cherry bark
    > is another possibility.)
    >
    > Filé powder won't work at all. Well, maybe as a minor ingredient, but
    > it won't get you the sassafras root smell you want.
    >
    > Bob


    When I was a kid, my sister and I would dig up small pieces of sassafras
    root for my grandmother. She would steep it in a pot of hot water, then
    sweeten it. I tasted it when it was hot and tasted like root beer. I
    never tasted it chilled.

    Becca

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    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:34:45 -0500, Becca <[email protected]> wrote:

    > When I was a kid, my sister and I would dig up small pieces of sassafras
    > root for my grandmother.


    My grandmother made it too, except we didn't harvest roots although we
    did have sassafras growing in the woods.

    > She would steep it in a pot of hot water, then
    > sweeten it. I tasted it when it was hot and tasted like root beer. I
    > never tasted it chilled.


    I've never equated sassafras tea and the taste of root beer, nor do I
    taste any mint in modern root beer. We don't drink sweet tea
    either... not even when it's sassafras.

    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

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    jmcquown Guest

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    "Sky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Since both gumbo file' and rootbeer are derived from sassafras, can they
    > be substituted for each other? I've used the former perhaps once or
    > twice and the latter only with vanilla ice cream as a float or solely as
    > a sodapop drink. What and how else do the two have in common
    > (whatever!)?
    >
    > Sky, who's just curious
    >



    Given that file' is a ground powder made from sasafrass and the other is a
    sickly sweet liquid full of artificial crap, one would think the answer is
    obvious. I guess you weren't around for the gumbo cook-along

    Jill


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