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    John Kuthe Guest

    Default From green beans to dying and hospice patients!

    Only on RFC!!

    ;-)

    John Kuthe...

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    George M. Middius Guest

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    John Kuthe wrote:

    >Only on RFC!!


    Not really. Many groups are like this.



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    John Kuthe Guest

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    On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:22:31 -0400, George M. Middius
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Kuthe wrote:
    >
    >>Only on RFC!!

    >
    >Not really. Many groups are like this.
    >


    I know. Like drunken conversation. Sometimes it's fun (and other times
    impossible) to try and trace how we got to talking about "this" from
    what we had originally started talking about.

    That's the beauty of Usenet! The audit trail!!

    John Kuthe...

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    spamtrap1888 Guest

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    On Mar 22, 9:17*am, John Kuthe <JohnKu...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Only on RFC!!
    >
    > ;-)
    >


    Huh, what?

    Dying people don't eat.


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    Gary Guest

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    spamtrap1888 wrote:
    >
    > On Mar 22, 9:17 am, John Kuthe <JohnKu...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > Only on RFC!!
    > >
    > > ;-)
    > >

    >
    > Huh, what?
    >
    > Dying people don't eat.


    Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    longer than necessary.

    I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    better.

    Gary

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    Nancy Young Guest

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    On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:

    > Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    > don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    > dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    > with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    > in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    > have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    > and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    > longer than necessary.
    >
    > I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    > sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    > better.


    Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.

    nancy

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    Lou Decruss Guest

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    On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:18:13 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
    wrote:

    >On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >
    >> Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    >> don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    >> dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    >> with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    >> in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    >> have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    >> and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    >> longer than necessary.
    >>
    >> I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    >> sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    >> better.

    >
    >Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.


    Sorry to hear about Moxie Nancy. Our little guy will be two next week
    and has done a fine job of owning our hearts.

    Lou

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    Nancy Young Guest

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    On 3/22/2012 3:59 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
    > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:18:13 -0400, Nancy Young<replyto@inemail>
    > wrote:


    >> Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >> most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >> by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >> Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >> sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.

    >
    > Sorry to hear about Moxie Nancy. Our little guy will be two next week
    > and has done a fine job of owning our hearts.


    Oh, thank you. Yeah, that is a little cutie you have there,
    I forget his name. Really sweet.

    nancy

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    Brooklyn1 Guest

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    Nancy Young wrote:
    >
    >>On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    >>> don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    >>> dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    >>> with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    >>> in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    >>> have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    >>> and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    >>> longer than necessary.
    >>>
    >>> I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    >>> sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    >>> better.

    >>
    >>Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >>most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >>by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >>Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >>sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.


    I'm so sorry about your Moxie.

    I've lost several cats over the years and it never gets easier. My
    Mooch is 21 soon to be 22, she has a thyroid condition that I medicate
    for twice a day and she's doing well, in fact she has become more
    active lately. I don't expect her to last too much longer but one
    never knows. Mooch still patrols and mouses at night:
    http://i41.tinypic.com/2a7bgnd.jpg

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    John Kuthe Guest

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    On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:59:23 -0500, Lou Decruss
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:18:13 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    >>> don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    >>> dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    >>> with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    >>> in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    >>> have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    >>> and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    >>> longer than necessary.
    >>>
    >>> I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    >>> sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    >>> better.

    >>
    >>Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >>most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >>by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >>Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >>sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.

    >
    >Sorry to hear about Moxie Nancy. Our little guy will be two next week
    >and has done a fine job of owning our hearts.
    >
    >Lou


    I have no idea how old Kitty is. I kinda inherited her, as she's lived
    in the house longer than I have:

    http://oi53.tinypic.com/zsr1c9.jpg

    We just woke up from our Kitty Nap, a skill she taught me over our
    past few years together. Not really a sleep, more of a 1/2 hour or so
    afternoon siesta, where we snuggle and purr and then kinda go silent
    in a very very relaxed kind of a twilight zone rest. Very relaxing,
    very refreshing!

    Now for that third cup of coffee, and get some pre-studying done for
    my ACLS class and certificatioin this Sunday! (I might as well do
    something good for my nursing career while I'm not working! ;-) )

    John Kuthe...

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    spamtrap1888 Guest

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    On Mar 22, 12:18*pm, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail> wrote:
    > On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >
    > > Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. *Maybe you feel so bad that you
    > > don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    > > dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. *My animals had to be hand-fed
    > > with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. *I was
    > > in denial and kept hoping they might recover. *Other people probably would
    > > have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    > > and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    > > longer than necessary.

    >
    > > I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    > > sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    > > better.

    >
    > Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    > most adorable cat Moxie. *I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    > by giving her chicken broth. *It only works for a while. *I'd seen the
    > Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. *Maybe I should have taken her in
    > sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. *Damn, they break our hearts.
    >


    Eve chronically ill pets can live to be old nowadays. As long as they
    are eating and pooping OK, and still seem to be enjoying their lives,
    we don't make that last trip to the vet. The instant they seem to be
    suffering, we take them in.


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    Lou Decruss Guest

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    On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:07:57 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
    wrote:

    >On 3/22/2012 3:59 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
    >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:18:13 -0400, Nancy Young<replyto@inemail>
    >> wrote:

    >
    >>> Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >>> most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >>> by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >>> Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >>> sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.

    >>
    >> Sorry to hear about Moxie Nancy. Our little guy will be two next week
    >> and has done a fine job of owning our hearts.

    >
    >Oh, thank you. Yeah, that is a little cutie you have there,
    >I forget his name. Really sweet.


    He's Quinn. He was born in a shed by an alley on Quinn street in the
    south side of Chicago. His mother was a stray but not feral. He's
    pushing 20 pounds so I guess he's not really a little guy anymore.

    Lou

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    Ophelia Guest

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    "spamtrap1888" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mar 22, 12:18 pm, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail> wrote:
    >> Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >> most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >> by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >> Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >> sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.
    >>

    >
    > Eve chronically ill pets can live to be old nowadays. As long as they
    > are eating and pooping OK, and still seem to be enjoying their lives,
    > we don't make that last trip to the vet. The instant they seem to be
    > suffering, we take them in.


    Oh yes I so feel for you Nancy. I have a beautiful Border Collie who is
    over 15 yo and we watch her day to day. She is still excited to go out and
    so long as she is, we will keep her I understand exactly what you say,
    Nancy and I do agree with spamtrap. I too will keep my girl so long as she
    seems to enjoy life. I think you did exactly the right thing and she
    enjoyed her life with you, til the last

    Hugssssssssssssssssssssss


    --
    http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


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    Kalmia Guest

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    On Mar 22, 3:18*pm, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail> wrote:
    > On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >
    > > Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. *Maybe you feel so bad that you
    > > don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    > > dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. *My animals had to be hand-fed
    > > with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. *I was
    > > in denial and kept hoping they might recover. *Other people probably would
    > > have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    > > and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    > > longer than necessary.

    >
    > > I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    > > sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    > > better.

    >
    > Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    > most adorable cat Moxie. *I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    > by giving her chicken broth. *It only works for a while. *I'd seen the
    > Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. *Maybe I should have taken her in
    > sooner but sshe kept purring when I pet her. *Damn, they break our hearts.


    I am sure that cat knew nothing but love and devotion all her life.
    I'm sorry your girl has gone on ahead. It's tough, I know. That trip
    to the vet is one of the toughest we have to take. I hope your pain
    is soon replaced by just good memories of her. Fly free, sweet Moxie.

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    l, not -l Guest

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    On 22-Mar-2012, spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Mar 22, 9:17*am, John Kuthe <JohnKu...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > Only on RFC!!
    > >
    > > ;-)
    > >

    >
    > Huh, what?
    >
    > Dying people don't eat.


    But sin eaters do.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin-eater
    --

    Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

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    Ophelia Guest

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    "Lou Decruss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..

    > He's Quinn. He was born in a shed by an alley on Quinn street in the
    > south side of Chicago. His mother was a stray but not feral. He's
    > pushing 20 pounds so I guess he's not really a little guy anymore.


    Enjoy every day you have him)

    --
    http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


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    Ophelia Guest

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    "Kalmia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > I am sure that cat knew nothing but love and devotion all her life.
    > I'm sorry your girl has gone on ahead. It's tough, I know. That trip
    > to the vet is one of the toughest we have to take. I hope your pain
    > is soon replaced by just good memories of her. Fly free, sweet Moxie.


    Oh yes!


    --
    http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


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    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 22/03/2012 5:03 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
    >>

    > Eve chronically ill pets can live to be old nowadays. As long as they
    > are eating and pooping OK, and still seem to be enjoying their lives,
    > we don't make that last trip to the vet. The instant they seem to be
    > suffering, we take them in.
    >


    My old Belgium Shepherd was getting on in years. He was still eating
    though crapping seemed to be a problem, more to do with his decreasing
    ability to squat long enough. He still enjoyed his 1-2 mile morning walk
    with my wife and our other dog. I thought that we might have been going
    deaf because if he got too far behind on the walk he seemed to have
    trouble figure out where were we. I was wrong on that one. He was
    looking in the right direction but apparently not seeing. We figured
    that out when we realized that he tended to walk along the edge of the
    grass and the driveway or sidewalk rather than taking more direct
    routes. He was going by the contrast of the light and the dark.

    One night he was stepping over a cushion and stumbled. His back leg
    sticking out sideways and he was yelping in pain. We contacted the
    emergency veterinary clinic. It was an expensive trip because it was the
    emergency clinic. They said they could medicate and hope to stabilize
    him and after a few days they could see what the problem was, whether
    there was a dislocation or a broken bone. However.... they also detect
    a tender lump in his abdomen, likely a tumor.

    The life expectancy for the breed was 12-14 years and he was 14-1/2.
    There was nothing to be gained by extending his suffering.

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    David Dyer-Bennet Guest

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    Nancy Young <replyto@inemail> writes:

    > On 3/22/2012 2:06 PM, Gary wrote:
    >
    >> Actually dying creatures DO stop eating. Maybe you feel so bad that you
    >> don't care to or maybe (with animals, at least)...maybe they know they are
    >> dying so stop eating to end it all quicker. My animals had to be hand-fed
    >> with liquid food in a syringe. It kept them going for a little while. I was
    >> in denial and kept hoping they might recover. Other people probably would
    >> have had them put to sleep as the humane thing to do. I was stubborn though,
    >> and selfish I guess. I didn't want to lose them so much that they suffered
    >> longer than necessary.
    >>
    >> I held them both in my arms for the last several hours of their lives. I'm
    >> sure that was somewhat comforting to them but a quick death would have been
    >> better.

    >
    > Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    > most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    > by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    > Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    > sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.


    It's a hard call, when it's time to end it. If they're showing signs of
    enjoying some things, and not in distress much of the rest of the time,
    I generally don't think it's time yet (it's always a question of the
    exact individual situation of course).

    Yeah, we really bond with the little beasts (mostly cats for me, but
    people do it just as much with dogs), which is nice much of the time,
    until the end.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, [email protected]; http://dd-b.net/
    Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
    Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
    Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

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    Nancy Young Guest

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    On 3/22/2012 5:17 PM, Ophelia wrote:
    >
    > "spamtrap1888" <[email protected]> wrote


    >> On Mar 22, 12:18 pm, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail> wrote:
    >>> Man, I just went through that a couple three weeks ago, lost my
    >>> most adorable cat Moxie. I did the same thing, tempted her to eat
    >>> by giving her chicken broth. It only works for a while. I'd seen the
    >>> Xrays so I knew she was hopeless. Maybe I should have taken her in
    >>> sooner but she kept purring when I pet her. Damn, they break our hearts.


    >> Eve chronically ill pets can live to be old nowadays. As long as they
    >> are eating and pooping OK, and still seem to be enjoying their lives,
    >> we don't make that last trip to the vet. The instant they seem to be
    >> suffering, we take them in.


    While she didn't seem to be in pain, not that you can tell with
    pets anyway, she stopped eating and stayed in her little cave (don't
    ask, heh) all the time. Having seen what was wrong, I knew she was
    getting worse.

    > Oh yes I so feel for you Nancy. I have a beautiful Border Collie who
    > is over 15 yo and we watch her day to day. She is still excited to go
    > out and so long as she is, we will keep her I understand exactly what
    > you say, Nancy and I do agree with spamtrap. I too will keep my girl so
    > long as she seems to enjoy life. I think you did exactly the right thing
    > and she enjoyed her life with you, til the last
    >
    > Hugssssssssssssssssssssss


    Thanks, Ophelia, I know what you mean about watching. It was very
    hard taking her but I knew it was what had to be done. Every pet owner
    goes through it. Doesn't hurt any less.

    nancy

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