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  1. #21
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 25/09/2012 3:11 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

    >
    > The thing that I noticed about long dry spells here in southern Idaho,
    > is that when we finally get a closed-in winter, frozen ground, with
    > lots of precipitation, the trees and shrubs go nuts for a couple of
    > years after. They produce flowers, seeds, pods and fruit up the
    > ying-yang. Maybe that will happen next season if the country gets a
    > decent winter and maybe there will be an over abundance of crop (lower
    > prices) Fingers crossed. . .
    > Janet US
    >



    When were farmers and other food producers ever happy with conditions.
    IIRC correctly, it was abnormally wet the previous spring, so farmers
    weren't able to get their fields worked and crops planted. They got off
    to a slow start so that had a negative impact on production. When they
    have a great year the market is overwhelmed and prices plummet... if
    they can even find a buyer.

  2. #22
    Janet Bostwick Guest

    Default Re: Food prices going WAY up!

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:57:45 -0400, Dave Smith
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 25/09/2012 3:11 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> The thing that I noticed about long dry spells here in southern Idaho,
    >> is that when we finally get a closed-in winter, frozen ground, with
    >> lots of precipitation, the trees and shrubs go nuts for a couple of
    >> years after. They produce flowers, seeds, pods and fruit up the
    >> ying-yang. Maybe that will happen next season if the country gets a
    >> decent winter and maybe there will be an over abundance of crop (lower
    >> prices) Fingers crossed. . .
    >> Janet US
    >>

    >
    >
    >When were farmers and other food producers ever happy with conditions.
    >IIRC correctly, it was abnormally wet the previous spring, so farmers
    >weren't able to get their fields worked and crops planted. They got off
    >to a slow start so that had a negative impact on production. When they
    >have a great year the market is overwhelmed and prices plummet... if
    >they can even find a buyer.

    All in all, I wouldn't want to be a farmer and be subject to the whims
    of Mother Nature. It's tough enough trying to grow a home garden.
    Janet US

  3. #23
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Pete C. wrote:
    > Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> I will not buy bananas at Costco. I once bought them and didn't
    >> open the plastic bag right away. By the next morning there were
    >> hundreds of fruit flies in there.

    >
    > This has nothing to do with Costco, all bananas have fruit fly eggs on
    > them. The key thing to avoiding the issue is when you get them home,
    > immediately spray them with something like Chlorox Cleanup, or dunk
    > them in a bleach sanitizer solution for a few minutes. This will kill
    > the fruit fly eggs, and since you throw out the banana peel anyway, it
    > doesn't affect the part you eat.


    Seeing as how bleach gives me horrid pains in my lungs, I won't be doing
    that.



  4. #24
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Janet Bostwick wrote:
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:27:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Janet Bostwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:11:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> At least they seem to be here.
    >>>>
    >>>> The last time we bought red bell peppers they were 69 cents each
    >>>> at Winco. Granted, Winco generally has the best prices. And most
    >>>> of the peppers were
    >>>> not refrigerated and you did really have to pick through them to
    >>>> find the fresh ones. But we got four really large ones and they
    >>>> kept in the fridge for over a week.
    >>>>
    >>>> Last Friday, I wanted to buy red bell peppers at Target. They
    >>>> wanted $1.39.
    >>>> They were medium sized and not fresh. I passed them up. I opted
    >>>> not to go
    >>>> to Winco because it is pretty far away and we can make do with
    >>>> what we have.
    >>>>
    >>>> But then I went to Albertsons for a few things and decided to get
    >>>> some red bell peppers there. They wanted a whopping $1.99 each!
    >>>> The peppers were tiny and some where not fresh. The green ones
    >>>> were considerably less, as is
    >>>> always the case. But daughter really loves the red ones and not
    >>>> the other colors. Me? I'll eat them all.
    >>>>
    >>>> I already had a bag in my hand and decided to buy something else.
    >>>> First I picked up a cucumber but it was 99 cents. That seemed a
    >>>> bit high to me. I
    >>>> am pretty sure they are usually 69 cents or less at Winco.
    >>>>
    >>>> Celery was 89 cents. I decided to get that. The stalks were not
    >>>> really big
    >>>> and the ribs were rather thin. Bah. We do have two kinds of
    >>>> lettuce and some baby carrots. I also have a tomato. That should
    >>>> get us through the week.
    >>>>
    >>>> But we MUST go to Winco later this week! I'll be curious to see
    >>>> what the peppers are going for there.
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh! And Albertons had their sweet potatoes in the refrigerated
    >>>> section. When I was doing my research on them, it said never to
    >>>> refrigerate them or buy them from a store that refrigerates them.
    >>>> I wonder why?
    >>>>
    >>> Your experience with bell peppers is standard for the three stores
    >>> you visited. In the dead of winter the price will be higher at
    >>> Winco for a couple of weeks. Otherwise green bells here go for 48
    >>> cents and red bells for 68 cents. If you comparison shop, your
    >>> next best deal will be Costco for about 89 cents each. Target is
    >>> all over the map. And, of course, Albertsons thinks they hide gold
    >>> nuggets in their peppers. I don't shop Fred Meyer because I think
    >>> their produce prices are too high. Overall, Winco is my first stop
    >>> for produce of any kind. If I want gorgeous apples, grapefruit and
    >>> oranges of quality I go to Costco and pay the price because in the
    >>> long run their produce is excellent and there is no waste.
    >>> Janet US

    >>
    >> The problems I have with Costco are that you have to buy so many
    >> peppers at once, they don't always have just red. It's usually a
    >> mixed package. And they aren't always fresh. They have a date
    >> sticker as to when they were packed and they're often a week old
    >> when I buy them.
    >>
    >> I will not buy bananas at Costco. I once bought them and didn't
    >> open the plastic bag right away. By the next morning there were
    >> hundreds of fruit flies in there. I have had trouble with rotten
    >> potatoes and onions in the bag. I won't buy those there either. I
    >> did have trouble for a while with slimy baby carrots which means
    >> that they were left out of refrigeration at some point. I know it
    >> wasn't me. I bought them and brought them straight home. Yes, it
    >> is 6 miles away but we weren't having overly hot weather or
    >> anything. That problem has been resolved now.
    >>

    >
    > I'd say then that you live in a not so desirable area where stores
    > routinely are sloppy with food handling. I have none of the problems
    > you describe with any of the stores that I mentioned. I do think that
    > you have a responsibility to call,write or email the headquarters of
    > both Costco and Winco and tell them about these problems. I know that
    > both corporations are concerned about customer service and public
    > image. In fact, if you will give me the street address and city of
    > the Winco and Costco that you shop, I will email both corporations and
    > tell them of your ongoing problems.
    > Janet US


    I don't really have ongoing problems with Winco. Except that I do think
    that the produce is often somewhat old. I base this not only on how it
    looks but also those things with an expiration date. Like sliced apples and
    bagged salad. It often is going to expire in 2 or 3 days. I have also
    noticed the same thing sometimes with the bread products. And I have picked
    up boxes of soda pop that is actually expired. I have learned to check the
    expiration dates on things. I have not noticed a problem on other things
    like this such as meats, cheeses and other dairy, chips, crackers, etc.
    This is the Winco in Everett.

    The Costco where we did have the problem is the one in Woodinville. I can't
    say that there is a current problem. We quit buying potatoes, onions and
    bananas from them and I can't buy them now because with just the two of us
    here, we couldn't possibly eat it all before it goes bad. Well, maybe the
    onions. Just maybe. But probably not. Daughter doesn't eat many bananas.
    If she does decide to eat them we only buy one or two. She is not currently
    eating potatoes at all. One thing I did notice was how quickly they reacted
    when a refrigerated case dropped below the correct temp. An alarm went off
    and they all snapped into action, putting the food in shopping carts and
    bringing them into the produce area. But... This is also the same Costco
    where I bought badly expired ground beef! That was not this past summer but
    the one before. I am not going to complain now about things that happened
    in the past. They have remodeled the store since then and we haven't had a
    problem but then I am also very careful to check dates and such.

    I know people who buy all of these things from the Costco in Everett and
    they have no problems. We just don't like that store. For one thing they
    don't carry the bread that we eat. It's a smaller store and perhaps they
    just don't have the space for it. So that means going elsewhere for the
    bread and paying about $2.00 more per loaf. We also had a problem in the
    parking lot with a guy trying to get money from us. That could happen
    anywhere, I know. But the following day, a woman had her purse stolen out
    of her car. Yes, she was being stupid. She left her 5 year old son in the
    car while she took her shopping cart back. A middle aged woman quickly
    entered her car, took her purse and left. This Costco is practically next
    door to the Winco so it would be very handy if we could shop there.



  5. #25
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Sqwertz wrote:
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:21:52 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:27:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> The problems I have with Costco are that you have to buy so many
    >>> peppers at once, they don't always have just red. It's usually a
    >>> mixed package. And they aren't always fresh. They have a date
    >>> sticker as to when they were packed and they're often a week old
    >>> when I buy them.
    >>>
    >>> I will not buy bananas at Costco. I once bought them and didn't
    >>> open the plastic bag right away. By the next morning there were
    >>> hundreds of fruit flies in there. I have had trouble with rotten
    >>> potatoes and onions in the bag. I won't buy those there either. I
    >>> did have trouble for a while with slimy baby carrots which means
    >>> that they were left out of refrigeration at some point. I know it
    >>> wasn't me. I bought them and brought them straight home. Yes, it
    >>> is 6 miles away but we weren't having overly hot weather or
    >>> anything. That problem has been resolved now.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I'd say then that you live in a not so desirable area where stores
    >> routinely are sloppy with food handling. I have none of the problems
    >> you describe with any of the stores that I mentioned. I do think
    >> that you have a responsibility to call,write or email the
    >> headquarters of both Costco and Winco and tell them about these
    >> problems. I know that both corporations are concerned about
    >> customer service and public image. In fact, if you will give me the
    >> street address and city of the Winco and Costco that you shop, I
    >> will email both corporations and tell them of your ongoing problems.

    >
    > C'mon, Janet. You know that everything Julie says is over-dramatized.
    > Onions and potatoes come in 30+lb bags at CostCo. Of course some of
    > them are going to go bad before a normal person (or Julie) can use
    > them. And I'd bet it's a rare day in hell when any of us have ever
    > seen less than fresh produce at CostCo.


    I found the bad potatoes within the first week of opening the bag. They
    were in the middle. The onions were all bad. I couldn't tell because of
    the way they were packaged. You can't see into there very well. I had just
    bought them. I know now that the best course of action would have been to
    take them right back. But they are a bit far away and I just opted to throw
    them out. Now that Angela's dance studio is on the same road as Costco
    (although in a different city) it's not quite as far for me to go. But it's
    also unlikely that I would be buying onions there unless perhaps I decide to
    make something for a holiday dinner that uses onions. We just can't eat
    that many.
    >
    > I certainly wouldn't take it upon myself to contact a store about
    > problems you've heard second-hand, when the source is somebody like
    > Julie. You are *much* too kind :-)


    Yes, I wouldn't want someone else to contact a store for me. That's just
    kind of weird.



  6. #26
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Dave Smith wrote:
    > On 25/09/2012 10:28 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> Been really dry here. Aside from a little spit of rain one day and
    >> about a minute of drizzle another, we've had no rain for two months.
    >> And none in sight.

    >
    >
    > It was very dry here all summer. Some of the soy fields are so skimpy
    > that they aren't worth harvesting. The plants to are too low for the
    > machinery to reach. Corn seemed to have recuperated. My well went
    > try in July which is typical, so I have been using the cistern. I can
    > usually switch back to the well by September but, despite having had a
    > some significant rain over the past two weeks, the water table is
    > still too low to help the well, though it did replenish some of the
    > cistern
    > water.
    > This is a double whammy for the fruit farmers. An early warm spell
    > brought out the blossoms prematurely, and then a return to seasonal
    > temperatures saw the blossoms freeze and die off. As a result, there
    > was less fruit on the trees. Lack of water stifled growth. On the
    > plus side, the peaches we incredible, if on the small side, and it is
    > supposed to be a great year for wine.


    I am just astounded at how many pears we have that literally dehydrated on
    the tree. They are totally brown and shriveled and have what looks like
    vertical slices in them. Amazingly though the apples were fine. There were
    none at the top of the tree. All were at the bottom although there were a
    few I couldn't reach. I found someone who wanted them so I picked all I
    could reach and took them to her yesterday. I did find one really big
    apple! I have never seen a big apple on that tree. They are usually pretty
    small.



  7. #27
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Pete C. wrote:
    > Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:11:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> At least they seem to be here.
    >>>
    >>> Get used to it because it's not going away any time soon. Food
    >>> prices will go up even more as time goes on - due to the drought in
    >>> the Midwest. Pray for normal rainfall next summer.

    >>
    >> Been really dry here. Aside from a little spit of rain one day and
    >> about a minute of drizzle another, we've had no rain for two months.
    >> And none in sight.

    >
    > http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu


    That's odd that we're not even on there.



  8. #28
    Julie Bove Guest

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    Sqwertz wrote:
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:11:10 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    >> At least they seem to be here.

    >
    > <snip all the drawn out drama>
    >
    > All these are normal produce price fluctuations.


    I don't know about that. I don't usually see the price of peppers go way up
    until winter.



  9. #29
    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:07:30 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

    > Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    >> C'mon, Janet. You know that everything Julie says is over-dramatized.
    >> Onions and potatoes come in 30+lb bags at CostCo. Of course some of
    >> them are going to go bad before a normal person (or Julie) can use
    >> them. And I'd bet it's a rare day in hell when any of us have ever
    >> seen less than fresh produce at CostCo.

    >
    > I found the bad potatoes within the first week of opening the bag. They
    > were in the middle. The onions were all bad. I couldn't tell because of
    > the way they were packaged. You can't see into there very well. I had just
    > bought them.


    We believe that you believe this happened to you.

    -sw

  10. #30
    Kalmia Guest

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    If you go to certain stores, you CAN buy onions piecemeal, doncha know? HEY - I swear I typed these same words to you once before about some foolish bulk buying you'd done.

    PLEASE- don't bother to explain now why you can't etc.

  11. #31
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "Kalmia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > If you go to certain stores, you CAN buy onions piecemeal, doncha know?
    > HEY - I swear I typed these same words to you once before about some
    > foolish bulk buying you'd done.
    >
    > PLEASE- don't bother to explain now why you can't etc.


    Well dur! What does that have to do with ANYTHING!? I bought things in
    bulk when my husband was home because we could EAT things in bulk. The
    buying of it wasn't foolish at all. How is it foolish if you are buying the
    amount that we could use?

    And I *still* buy onions in bulk. Just not nearly as many as what they sell
    at Costco.



  12. #32
    Reggie Guest

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    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:k3t95d$s72$[email protected]..
    > Pete C. wrote:
    >> Julie Bove wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I will not buy bananas at Costco. I once bought them and didn't
    >>> open the plastic bag right away. By the next morning there were
    >>> hundreds of fruit flies in there.

    >>
    >> This has nothing to do with Costco, all bananas have fruit fly eggs on
    >> them. The key thing to avoiding the issue is when you get them home,
    >> immediately spray them with something like Chlorox Cleanup, or dunk
    >> them in a bleach sanitizer solution for a few minutes. This will kill
    >> the fruit fly eggs, and since you throw out the banana peel anyway, it
    >> doesn't affect the part you eat.

    >
    > Seeing as how bleach gives me horrid pains in my lungs, I won't be doing
    > that.


    yes, but we ALL saw that one coming!



  13. #33
    Cheryl Guest

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    On 9/25/2012 12:15 PM, Pete C. wrote:
    >
    > Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:11:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> At least they seem to be here.
    >>>
    >>> Get used to it because it's not going away any time soon. Food
    >>> prices will go up even more as time goes on - due to the drought in
    >>> the Midwest. Pray for normal rainfall next summer.

    >>
    >> Been really dry here. Aside from a little spit of rain one day and about a
    >> minute of drizzle another, we've had no rain for two months. And none in
    >> sight.

    >
    > http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu
    >


    It shows my area in moderate drought. We have dry summers every year
    and they never reach drought stage, but apparently this year we are.
    Thanks for the link.


  14. #34
    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:53:31 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

    > Seeing as how bleach gives me horrid pains in my lungs, I won't be doing
    > that.


    Yet another gross exaggeration. Just like the pear dropping on your
    back deck "made a horrendous sound" (must have been one of those sonic
    screaming pears).

    You are completely bonkers, Julie.

    -sw

  15. #35
    jmcquown Guest

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    "Julie Bove" wrote in message news:k3rouq$aqd$[email protected]..

    At least they seem to be here.

    The last time we bought red bell peppers they were 69 cents each at Winco.
    Granted, Winco generally has the best prices. And most of the peppers were
    not refrigerated and you did really have to pick through them to find the
    fresh ones. But we got four really large ones and they kept in the fridge
    for over a week.

    Last Friday, I wanted to buy red bell peppers at Target. They wanted $1.39.
    They were medium sized and not fresh. I passed them up. I opted not to go
    to Winco because it is pretty far away and we can make do with what we have.

    But then I went to Albertsons for a few things and decided to get some red
    bell peppers there. They wanted a whopping $1.99 each! The peppers were
    tiny and some where not fresh.
    (snip)
    *************

    Did it ever occur to you where you live bell peppers may be going out of
    season? (It doesn't matter what colour they are.) If you're finding not so
    fresh peppers perhaps the farmers are running low on peppers to send to
    market.

    Jill


  16. #36
    jmcquown Guest

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    "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:11:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Oh! And Albertons had their sweet potatoes in the refrigerated section.
    >When I was doing my research on them, it said never to refrigerate them or
    >buy them from a store that refrigerates them. I wonder why?
    >


    It can change the starch to sugar. Some way it hardens it too. Never
    chilled them so we have no personal experience.
    ****************

    I wouldn't chill sweet potatoes any more than I would chill bakers, russets,
    or red potatoes (regular or "new"). A cool, dry place is the way to store
    any sort of tuber.

    Jill


  17. #37
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 25/09/2012 7:36 PM, Kalmia wrote:
    > If you go to certain stores, you CAN buy onions piecemeal, doncha know? HEY - I swear I typed these same words to you once before about some foolish bulk buying you'd done.
    >
    > PLEASE- don't bother to explain now why you can't etc.
    >


    LMAO I was reading posts backwards, latest to oldest. You trimmed off
    the top of the post so I didn't know who you were replying to, But then
    I got to the last line and figured it was Bovine. ;-)

  18. #38
    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:57:45 -0400, Dave Smith <adavid.,
    [email protected]> wrote:

    > When were farmers and other food producers ever happy with conditions.
    > IIRC correctly, it was abnormally wet the previous spring, so farmers
    > weren't able to get their fields worked and crops planted. They got off
    > to a slow start so that had a negative impact on production. When they
    > have a great year the market is overwhelmed and prices plummet... if
    > they can even find a buyer.


    It's confusing. First you hear...
    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2012...ught.cnnmoney/
    Then you read...
    http://www.nebraskacorn.org/category...gress-updates/
    <http://www.theindependent.com/news/state/nebraska-corn-harvest-more-than-a-third-complete/article_c0807a38-a63e-5155-be61-46581623f4d1.html>

    Usually, it's all gloom and doom but then they have a record breaking
    harvest anyway.



    --
    I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

  19. #39
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Food prices going WAY up!

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:57:45 -0400, Dave Smith <adavid.,
    [email protected]> wrote:

    > When were farmers and other food producers ever happy with conditions.
    > IIRC correctly, it was abnormally wet the previous spring, so farmers
    > weren't able to get their fields worked and crops planted. They got off
    > to a slow start so that had a negative impact on production. When they
    > have a great year the market is overwhelmed and prices plummet... if
    > they can even find a buyer.


    It's confusing. First you hear...
    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2012...ught.cnnmoney/
    Then you read...
    http://www.nebraskacorn.org/category...gress-updates/
    <http://www.theindependent.com/news/state/nebraska-corn-harvest-more-than-a-third-complete/article_c0807a38-a63e-5155-be61-46581623f4d1.html>

    Usually, it's all gloom and doom but then they have a record breaking
    harvest anyway.



    --
    I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

  20. #40
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:53:31 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    >> Seeing as how bleach gives me horrid pains in my lungs, I won't be doing
    >> that.

    >
    > Yet another gross exaggeration. Just like the pear dropping on your
    > back deck "made a horrendous sound" (must have been one of those sonic
    > screaming pears).
    >
    > You are completely bonkers, Julie.


    And when did you get *your* psych degree? The pears did make a really loud
    noise, dropping and then rolling. And it wasn't just a few of them. I went
    out again yesterday and cleaned them all up. Hundreds of them in the yard
    and dozens of them on the deck. I don't think too many more will drop on
    the deck based on where they appear to be located on the tree. But it is
    still pretty full of pears near the top.



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