Thread: "Ethical eaters"

On 8/11/2010 1:00 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> I am and have always been a live and let live sort of person. In
> this lifetime I have gone through several stages of food preferences.
> I was raised as a meat eater. In my adult years I've done
> vegetarian, ovo-lacto vegetarian, vegan, etc. At present I'm eating
> like the omnivore I personally think we all are at our core. I eat
> all kinds of meats.
>
> I have no problem with people who choose not to eat animal flesh or
> products. It is their persoal choice.
> Far be it from me to tell someone else how to eat.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post.
>
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???
>
>
>
Not really. If the apocalypse comes I intend to view vegetarians of all
ilk as prey.

On 8/11/2010 2:00 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> I am and have always been a live and let live sort of person. In
> this lifetime I have gone through several stages of food preferences.
> I was raised as a meat eater. In my adult years I've done
> vegetarian, ovo-lacto vegetarian, vegan, etc. At present I'm eating
> like the omnivore I personally think we all are at our core. I eat
> all kinds of meats.
>
> I have no problem with people who choose not to eat animal flesh or
> products. It is their persoal choice.
> Far be it from me to tell someone else how to eat.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post.
>
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???
>
>
>
Definitely not! If there is one thing I can't stand, it's the
"self-righteous" attitudes of some people.

There are plenty of people who don't eat certain things out of ethics,
religion or as a health choice that don't make a big deal out of it.
It's the people who, as you say, "shake a finger" that annoy me. It's
not just their eating, either.

I am really annoyed by those who think I'm going to hell (which,k BTW is
their version of hell, not mine) because I don't accept their belief as
the "only true" one. Then there are the political jerks who think that
everyone who doesn't subscribe to their own brand of political dogma are
traitors and unpatriotic.

It makes me wonder if any of them have a clue on the founding principals
of America.

Rant off.
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Janet Wilder
Posting from the Netbaby

On 8/11/2010 2:21 PM, aem wrote:
> On Aug 11, 11:00 am, ImStillMags<sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> .....
>> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
>> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
>> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
>> eat meat are unethical persons. ....
>>
>> Am I alone in feeling this way???
>
> No, true believers piss off even the tolerant. Eric Hoffer's classic
> "The True Believer" is as true now as when it was written more than
> fifty years ago. Read it if you want to understand better how
> people's beliefs warp their behavior. -aem

I'd rather just avoid those people than try to understand them, but
thanks for the reference.

--



Janet Wilder
Posting from the Netbaby

>
> *I consider myself a caring person. *I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. *But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

thank you. i agree with you 100%.

Harriet & critters (handsome harley who is still resting his eyes
after a big brekkie; phatty tabby catty who is doing the same; and ms
tabby ann (aka crazy girl) lurking somewhere else.)

On Aug 11, 11:00 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
.....
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. ....
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

No, true believers piss off even the tolerant. Eric Hoffer's classic
"The True Believer" is as true now as when it was written more than
fifty years ago. Read it if you want to understand better how
people's beliefs warp their behavior. -aem

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)

But that's why they are vegetarians. They want
to have some basis for feeling superior to you.

On Aug 11, 11:34*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> > particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> > calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> > eat meat are unethical persons. * *(especially if those particular
> > name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> But that's why they are vegetarians. *They want
> to have some basis for feeling superior to you.

I don't believe that's true for every vegetarian....maybe for a few.
I just think they get caught up in the 'rightousness" of it all...then
they get defensive if you say 'it's your choice'.

Maybe they don't understand individual preferences and choice.

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> On Aug 11, 11:34 am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > But that's why they are vegetarians. They want
> > to have some basis for feeling superior to you.
>
> I don't believe that's true for every vegetarian....maybe for a few.
> I just think they get caught up in the 'rightousness" of it all...then
> they get defensive if you say 'it's your choice'.
>
> Maybe they don't understand individual preferences and choice.

That's a typical thing for a meat-eater to say!

On Aug 11, 11:54*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > On Aug 11, 11:34 am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > But that's why they are vegetarians. *They want
> > > to have some basis for feeling superior to you.
>
> > I don't believe that's true for every vegetarian....maybe for a few.
> > I just think they get caught up in the 'rightousness" of it all...then
> > they get defensive if you say 'it's your choice'.
>
> > Maybe they don't understand individual preferences and choice.
>
> That's a typical thing for a meat-eater to say!

:-D

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> At present I'm eating
> like the omnivore I personally think we all are at our core.

I find it tiresome that some vegans assert that humans are herbivores.
So their way of eating is so contrary to some drive inside them that it
makes them lie about something as clear as comparative anatomy?

> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

It's extremist rhetoric. There are good political, ecological or
religious reasons for wanting to not eat meat. There are incorrect
reasons based on claims about health. And there are extremist reasons
that require obnoxious rhetoric.

In article
<[email protected]>,
ImStillMags <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am and have always been a live and let live sort of person. In
> this lifetime I have gone through several stages of food preferences.
> I was raised as a meat eater. In my adult years I've done
> vegetarian, ovo-lacto vegetarian, vegan, etc. At present I'm eating
> like the omnivore I personally think we all are at our core. I eat
> all kinds of meats.
>
> I have no problem with people who choose not to eat animal flesh or
> products. It is their persoal choice.
> Far be it from me to tell someone else how to eat.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post.
>
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

I think you are in the majority personally. :-)
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:


> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
>raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
>There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
>meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
>judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
>I'm a bad person.

This may brighten your day... See:

http://www.arcamax.com/rubes

Comic of 8/11 about castaway cows.

Alex

On Aug 11, 12:30*pm, Alex Corvinus <theravenk...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>
> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I consider myself a caring person. *I care how the meat I eat was
> >raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> >There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> >meat. *But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> >judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> >I'm a bad person.
>
> This may brighten your day... See:
>
> http://www.arcamax.com/rubes
>
> Comic of 8/11 about castaway cows.
>
> Alex

This is my favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJBbtkBMMs

"ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am and have always been a live and let live sort of person. In
> this lifetime I have gone through several stages of food preferences.
> I was raised as a meat eater. In my adult years I've done
> vegetarian, ovo-lacto vegetarian, vegan, etc. At present I'm eating
> like the omnivore I personally think we all are at our core. I eat
> all kinds of meats.
>
> I have no problem with people who choose not to eat animal flesh or
> products. It is their persoal choice.
> Far be it from me to tell someone else how to eat.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post.
>
> I'm really tired of those who choose to eat no flesh, or only
> particular kinds of flesh looking down their noses at others and
> calling themselves "ethical eaters" as if those of us who choose to
> eat meat are unethical persons. (especially if those particular
> name callers are wearing leather of any sort)
>
> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

Tell ya something about those "ethical eaters" - they further divide
themselves into categories consisting of those of lesser worth than
themselves. Vegans for example come in more than one flavor, if you will.
You have the "ethical" vegans and then you have the dietary vegans. Of
course the "ethical" vegans look down their noses with contempt at those who
would practice the vegan religion solely for health reasons. They are
loathed and spat upon as poseurs and imposters. Then you have the "ethical"
vegans who would actually cook in a kitchen that was not thoroughly pure
i.e. at some point meat had been prepared in it. I kid you not. Of course
that higher class of "ethical" vegan looks down their nose with contempt at
the wannabee vegans who do not share their beliefs.

It's a disease really. It's basically a form of narcissism, of self
aggrandizement. If a person wants to be a vegan that's fine and they can be
as true as they wish but when they start using that as an excuse to feel
superior to their own peers then it becomes a mental health issue. It just
manifests itself as a cause not at all unlike fanatics of religious
persuasions.

I've known way too may vegans in my life. And without exception they were
all whack jobs of the highest order with lives more f*&^%#d up than a person
has a right to be. Not because they eschew meat or animal products, but
each and every one of them had a serious problem between their ears. They
are basically just latching on to what they perceive as a superior moral
issue to replace an existing sense of identity which is either lacking in
them or one that they loathe. Without exception they were all terrible self
loathers but the veganism at least made them feel superior if only in their
own minds.

Paul

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 12:30*pm, Alex Corvinus <theravenk...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>
>> <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I consider myself a caring person. *I care how the meat I eat was
>> >raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
>> >There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
>> >meat. *But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
>> >judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
>> >I'm a bad person.
>>
>> This may brighten your day... See:
>>
>> http://www.arcamax.com/rubes
>>
>> Comic of 8/11 about castaway cows.
>>
>> Alex
>
>This is my favorite:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJBbtkBMMs
>
LOL! Hilarious!

Alex

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I consider myself a caring person. I care how the meat I eat was
> raised, how it was killed, what it was fed and how it was treated.
> There may be a time in my life where I choose once again not to eat
> meat. But it is my choice to make and I will not make it because some
> judgemental person is shaking their finger in my face and telling me
> I'm a bad person.
>
> Am I alone in feeling this way???

No. Fortunately, that type is not lurking among my friends or
relatives.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:14:47 -0400, Janet Wilder
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I am really annoyed by those who think I'm going to hell (which,k BTW is
> their version of hell, not mine) because I don't accept their belief as
> the "only true" one. Then there are the political jerks who think that
> everyone who doesn't subscribe to their own brand of political dogma are
> traitors and unpatriotic.

I don't believe in an avenging god, my god is forgiving.... and with
such a forgiving god, there can be no hell. My fallen catholic
husband bought it and we'll live until we die.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:16:22 -0400, Janet Wilder
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd rather just avoid those people than try to understand them,

DITTO! I don't need the grief.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

I remember my brother having a cookout once and I asked how much meat I
should bring (had to grab some burgers and that for those who didn't
want the brisket). H etold me that two of his neighbors were not
meat-eaters. I asked if they ate something special I should pick up
(garden burgers or whatever.) He said that they always brought their own
food.

I'm picturing Mr. and Mrs. Mahatma Gandhi. I get back to the Q and these
two icebergs with feet (they were both dressed in white) are sitting on
lawn chairs that are just a screaming for their lives. They informed me
of their dislike of taking an animal life. I'm cool with that. Leaves
more meat for me. At least they weren't passing judgement. When brother
has a BBQ, you can add pigs, chickens and cows to the endangered species
list. Lots of carnivores there.

They proceeded to open and consume, entirely, three different bags
(family sized) of Doritos, Cheetos and some kind of Potato chip.

To each his own. I eat meat in moderation. I hunt, too. But nothing
flavors veggies better than meat, man.

I've known vegans who were staright up cool; and others the way I'm
seeing outlined on here. There's a-hole carnivores, too.




--
Gorio