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    James Silverton Guest

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    Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    political party.
    --
    Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

    Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

  2. #2
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 12/10/2012 11:05 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.



    I have been registered with the Do Not Call registry since it first
    started. I was getting an outrageous number of calls. Every once in a
    while I started getting calls from people who introduces themselves
    with a very Anglo name but who have strong sub continent accents. They
    claim to be calling from my ISP and say they are getting a lot of virus
    alerts from my computer. I have tried hanging up, calling them liars,
    yelling and screaming at them. The calls kept coming. I decided to have
    fun with them. I try to make conversation with them, play dumb, carry
    on for as long as I can. I was able to keep them on the line for up to
    10 minutes, which I figure saves some other poor saps from being
    hassled. I think they gave up on my number.


    In Canada, you can contact the CRTC to register complaints. I have done
    it. I don't know if there were any charges laid in that case, but the
    calls did stop.

  3. #3
    Pete C. Guest

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    James Silverton wrote:
    >
    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.
    > --
    > Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
    >
    > Extraneous "not" in Reply To.


    There is a "file a complaint" link right on the donotcall.gov home page.

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    notbob Guest

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    On 2012-10-12, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.


    Live call or recording?

    I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
    govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
    don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
    do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
    actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
    lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
    disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

    nb


    --
    Definition of objectivism:
    "Eff you! I got mine."
    http://www.nongmoproject.org/

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    Nunya Bidnits Guest

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    James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.


    Most states have their own do not call registry and complaint access.

    At least some of those laws do indeed have teeth in spite of what you may
    have read.

    I doubt the Disney call is legitimate. They would not resort to large scale
    defiance of a popular law to sell their stuff. More likely, it would be a
    too-good-to-be-true offer which must be acted on immediately, requiring of
    course that you provide the caller with your credit card number. After they
    suck that information out of you, you'll never hear from them again, except
    for the sudden load of unauthorized charges against your account.

    MartyB



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    Pico Rico Guest

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    "notbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 2012-10-12, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    >> political party.

    >
    > Live call or recording?
    >
    > I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
    > govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
    > don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
    > do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
    > actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
    > lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
    > disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.
    >


    with recordings, if I have time, I press 1 (usually that works) and then I
    get connected to a live person, presumably because I am interested in their
    crapola. I then either curse at them or politely quiz them on why they are
    breaking the law, depending on my mood. I might go to the "waste as much of
    their time as possible" angle, as I used to do that years ago. I suppose I
    could also take info and sue them, but I am not sure that is as much fun.

    I do have to wonder why the DNC list seems to have ceased being effective.
    It seemed to work wonders when it was first implemented.



  7. #7
    MaryL Guest

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    "notbob" wrote in message news:[email protected]..

    On 2012-10-12, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.


    Live call or recording?

    I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
    govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
    don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
    do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
    actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
    lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
    disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

    nb

    ~~~~~~~~~~
    I registered on donotcall.gov. That greatly reduced the number of "junk"
    calls but did not eliminate them. I also screen my calls and do not answer
    unless I recognize the name or number. I never pick up and dial "1" because
    that just shows it is an active number.

    MaryL


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    Cheryl Guest

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    On 10/12/2012 11:05 AM, James Silverton wrote:

    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.


    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov
    https://complaints.donotcall.gov

    There's also a call center where you can talk with a live call center
    rep. The FTC takes this seriously so file your complaints.

    1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357)
    http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm


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    Gary Guest

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    James Silverton wrote:
    >
    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    > them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    > political party.
    > --
    > Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
    >
    > Extraneous "not" in Reply To.


    Screen all calls. that's what I do.
    Landline phone: answering machine is your friend
    Cell phone: if they are not on my friend list, I don't answer.

    G.

  10. #10
    Janet Bostwick Guest

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    On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:51:28 -0700, "Pico Rico"
    <Pico[email protected]> wrote:
    snip
    >
    >I do have to wonder why the DNC list seems to have ceased being effective.
    >It seemed to work wonders when it was first implemented.
    >

    The rule is that if you have ever had any legitimate dealings with
    their company (or subs), they have a legal right to call you. If they
    are a political affiliation or religious group they can call you. If
    you ever respond to them, they can claim that you have done business
    with them. If you respond or call the number they give you to
    discontinue the calls, you have affirmed that the phone number is a
    live and good one.

    The most maddening one is 'Rachel'. She's a computer call and she
    never gives up. She's the one who calls about better rates for your
    credit cards. The proper response for a computer call is Just Hang Up.
    For a live person you say "No, please don't call again, take my name
    off of your list."

    The folks claiming to be a tech from Microsoft is a brand new scam
    that has caught so many people that the Feds have put out an alert
    citizens. The people claiming to be from your phone company and
    wanting to sign you up for something or check something will drive you
    to curses and tears.

    Basically, unless you have initiated something with a company, you
    just have to hang up.

    Thank you. It felt good to get that off my chest. I

    Janet US

  11. #11
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Dave Smith wrote:
    >
    > I was able to keep them on the line for up to
    > 10 minutes, which I figure saves some other poor saps from being
    > hassled. I think they gave up on my number.


    Have you asked to speak to their supervisor?
    That might buy you a few more minutes.

  12. #12
    Cheri Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:k59bjf$q0o$[email protected]..
    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report commercial
    > cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get them. The
    > latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a political
    > party.
    > --
    > Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
    >
    > Extraneous "not" in Reply To.



    I don't really think there's much you can do about it. The Do Not Call is
    mostly a joke, since they really don't follow up. I have a wonderful gadget
    that I got many years ago from Radio Shack that rejects the numbers (up to
    20) and cuts them off after a 1 1/2 rings so you don't have to wait for the
    answering machine. They don't make them anymore, but I love it.

    If I'm sitting close to the phone, I just pick it up and hang it up. I have
    all the ringers turned off except one in the bedroom, so I'm not too
    bothered. Since we used to have a home office for business, the calls are
    pretty much neverending even though the office phone has been disconnected.

    Cheri


  13. #13
    Andy Guest

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    James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can
    > report commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not
    > call but I still get them. The latest is from Disney World,
    > which is hardly a charity or a political party.




    Gary,

    That reminds me of a saying but I don't remember who to
    credit...

    "Life is short. Eat dessert first!"

    --Julia Child?
    --Dear Abby?
    --Irma Bombech?

    Best,

    Andy




  14. #14
    James Silverton Guest

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    On 10/12/2012 3:08 PM, Andy wrote:
    > James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can
    >> report commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not
    >> call but I still get them. The latest is from Disney World,
    >> which is hardly a charity or a political party.

    >
    >
    >
    > Gary,
    >
    > That reminds me of a saying but I don't remember who to
    > credit...


    Thanks everyone especially for telling me the complaint number,
    1-877-382-4357, and the complaint mechanism on donotcall.gov.

    --
    Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

    Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

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    MotoFox Guest

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    And it came to pass that Dave Smith delivered the following message unto
    the people, saying~

    > On 12/10/2012 11:05 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    >> Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    >> commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    >> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    >> political party.

    >
    >
    > I have been registered with the Do Not Call registry since it first
    > started. I was getting an outrageous number of calls. Every once in a
    > while I started getting calls from people who introduces themselves with
    > a very Anglo name, but who have strong sub continent accents. They claim
    > to be calling from my ISP and say they are getting a lot of virus alerts
    > from my computer. I have tried hanging up, calling them liars, yelling
    > and screaming at them. The calls kept coming. I decided to have fun
    > with them.


    I still occasionally get solicitation calls from companies overseas
    claiming to be my ISP (I'm on CenturyQworst) saying they're receiving
    "virus reports" from my Windows machine. When I do pick up, I just laugh
    at them out loud, since both boxes connected to my ADSL box are either
    Linux or BSD (why in God's name would I dare put a Winblow$ box on the
    network? I do know better!) and they couldn't be getting any information
    from my machines since both are firewalled. Damned fools.

    > I try to make conversation with them, play dumb, carry on for as long as
    > I can. I was able to keep them on the line for up to 10 minutes, which I
    > figure saves some other poor saps from being hassled. I think they gave
    > up on my number.


    One really interesting thing to be on the lookout for is second dial
    tones. Most times these guys are calling from PBXes. Occasionally, if you
    manage to drive the solicitors nuts enough that they hang up on you,
    you'll get a "reorder" signal (the so-called "fast busy" signal.) If you
    wait long enough, it'll time out and cycle around to a usually
    unrestricted dial tone originating from the company's telephone switch.
    Voilą, you now have the whole world at your ear, and can make expensive
    international calls, make phone sex calls, blast r0dent bridges etc., all
    on the solicitor's dime.

    If your line is on a 5ESS switch like mine is, second dial tones are very
    obviously from outside systems, since trunk calls on a 5ESS usually don't
    reset to a local dial tone after the distant party hangs up--they just
    reset to a dead line, followed by the "if you'd like to make a call"
    recording and off-hook tones before the line goes into permanent signal.
    The things you learn reading "2600"...

  16. #16
    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:05:30 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

    > Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    > commercial cold calls?


    They certainly called the right person if you're dumb enough to have
    to ask here.

    ObFood: Anybody ever done a bread and butter pickled cauliflower?

    -sw

  17. #17
    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:28:11 -0400, Cheryl wrote:

    > On 10/12/2012 11:05 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone know if there is central agency where we can report
    >> commercial cold calls? I am registered for do not call but I still get
    >> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
    >> political party.

    >
    > https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov
    > https://complaints.donotcall.gov
    >
    > There's also a call center where you can talk with a live call center
    > rep. The FTC takes this seriously so file your complaints.
    >
    > 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357)
    > http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm


    Wow, that's amazing Cheryl. How did you know all that?

    ;-)

    -sw

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    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 12/10/2012 1:30 PM, Gary wrote:

    > Screen all calls. that's what I do.
    > Landline phone: answering machine is your friend
    > Cell phone: if they are not on my friend list, I don't answer.
    >


    For years before the Do Not Call registry I was in the habit of hanging
    up if there was dead air because it usually meant a computer generated
    call and an unwanted soliciting call. One time, tempted as I was, I
    stayed on. It was my ISP offering me to free tickets to see Pygmallion
    at the Shaw Theatre. I was skeptical but was assured there was no catch.
    I took a day off work and caught a matinee performance at one of my
    favourite theatre venues... for free.

  19. #19
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 12/10/2012 1:44 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
    > Dave Smith wrote:
    >>
    >> I was able to keep them on the line for up to
    >> 10 minutes, which I figure saves some other poor saps from being
    >> hassled. I think they gave up on my number.

    >
    > Have you asked to speak to their supervisor?
    > That might buy you a few more minutes.
    >



    Hey there's a thought. I could ask him or her where they are calling
    from and see if the supervisor also says Chicago.

  20. #20
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 12/10/2012 1:02 PM, MaryL wrote:

    > I registered on donotcall.gov. That greatly reduced the number of
    > "junk" calls but did not eliminate them. I also screen my calls and do
    > not answer unless I recognize the name or number. I never pick up and
    > dial "1" because that just shows it is an active number.
    >


    I have a small problem there. I have call display and some of them show
    up as Long Distance, Problem is that we have a long distance plan
    through Bell and I gave our son a card so he can call us on it.

    Then there is the "private call" which usually isn't.


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