Thread: Do not call

"Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
> George wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2012 4:08 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> > On 10/13/2012 10:28 AM, George wrote:
>> >
>> >> My favorite are the disingenuous robo calls that leave a voice mail
>> >> such
>> >> as "did you know president Obama is helping people with their
>> >> mortgages
>> >> and we can get that help for you, press 1 now to speak to an operator
>> >> or
>> >> press 9 to be removed from our list."
>> >
>> > Yeah, those are the ones where you press the number to be removed from
>> > the list and it disconnects, and they still keep calling you. Legit
>> > telemarketers are supposed to acknowledge that you've been removed from
>> > their lists. Actually, legit telemarketers are supposed to download
>> > lists of phone numbers that are registered, and removed those from
>> > their
>> > autodialers and manual processes for calling. Something is going on in
>> > the last couple of years where they're not complying and they aren't
>> > all
>> > coming from outside of the US.
>> >
>> > The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough
>> > with
>> > the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
> I find this whole thread very amusing.
> If you get a "cold call" just ignore it.
> If you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>
> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
> they will stop.


not true. But since they won't, perhaps your strategy is still the best.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:06:20 -0400, Gary <[email protected]> wrote:



>
>Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
>they will stop.

No, they never stop. The worst offenders are the credit cars, home
alarms, and now political surveys. While you don't have to answer
them, they will never stop.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:58:26 -0400, George <[email protected]>
wrote:



>>
>> I had to LOL at that one! Plus the fact that we can overhear their
>> phone conversations in the first place. I was in a store one time and a
>> guy had his speaker phone on and every other word coming out of the
>> person he was talking to was the F word. And it wasn't an argumentative
>> conversation, just "normal" talking for them, I guess.
>>
>
>I never understood why adults want to look they they are 5 years old
>trying to sound what they imagine an adult would sound like by using
>foul language.

It just keeps getting worse. I hear people all the time that cannot
speak a sentence without the F word in it. Women are not quite as
bad, but some use if far too often.

I'm not sure if it is lack of education or just the environment these
people live in, but it is accepted far too easily. I never heard it
used in my house when growing up, it is still not allowed in my house.
My grandson (25 years old) is living with us and a few of his friends
used it and were asked to either stop it or leave.

"notbob" wrote in message news:[email protected]..

On 2012-10-12, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
> political party.

Live call or recording?

I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

nb


--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/



Ah, but if you ask the caller to put you on the DNC list, allegedly they
have to.

I still get a lot of calls asking for my father or my mother. These are
usually political calls, especially this time of year. When I advise the
caller he/she is deceased they stammer "Oh, uh, I'm sorry" and often say
they'll remove the number from their list. If they don't, I ask them to.

The recorded calls (or otherwise unsolicited calls) are often the result of
an auto-dialer. It's a program that simply dials a list of numbers until
someone answers. If it gets a fax machine or voicemail it usually
disconnects. Remember the old movie, 'War Games'?

Jill

On 10/14/2012 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "notbob" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
>
> On 2012-10-12, James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
>> political party.
>
> Live call or recording?
>
> I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
> govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
> don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
> do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
> actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
> lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
> disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.
>

Generally, almost all calls where the caller does not respond
immediately on my saying "Hello" are advertising, political or
charitable. If I wait, another sign is to be asked "Is that James" by
people I can't recognize. I have even had "Is that Jas" because my name
was abbreviated to "Jas V Silverton" in the phone book.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On 14/10/2012 10:11 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
>> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>>
>> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
>> they will stop.
>
>
> not true. But since they won't, perhaps your strategy is still the best.
>
>
They are computer dialed. They don't care if you answer or not. They
just keep calling.

On 10/14/2012 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> George wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2012 4:08 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2012 10:28 AM, George wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite are the disingenuous robo calls that leave a voice mail such
>>>> as "did you know president Obama is helping people with their mortgages
>>>> and we can get that help for you, press 1 now to speak to an operator or
>>>> press 9 to be removed from our list."
>>>
>>> Yeah, those are the ones where you press the number to be removed from
>>> the list and it disconnects, and they still keep calling you. Legit
>>> telemarketers are supposed to acknowledge that you've been removed from
>>> their lists. Actually, legit telemarketers are supposed to download
>>> lists of phone numbers that are registered, and removed those from their
>>> autodialers and manual processes for calling. Something is going on in
>>> the last couple of years where they're not complying and they aren't all
>>> coming from outside of the US.
>>>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
> I find this whole thread very amusing.


OK

> If you get a "cold call" just ignore it.
> If you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.


Duh...

> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it

Sounds like a plan. That way I wouldn't know that say one of our credit
cards had been frozen by the CC company because of suspected misuse if I
ignored the voicemail their system left. Or I wouldn't know a family
member had a serious issue because they called from an unrecognized
number and left a voicemail.

Do you see any flaw with your "ignore everything" plan?


>
> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
> they will stop.

See above.

>
> People here spend more time than the original calls, complaining about them
>
> G.
>

On 10/14/2012 10:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 10:11 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
>>> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>>>
>>> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls.
>>> Eventually
>>> they will stop.
>>
>>
>> not true. But since they won't, perhaps your strategy is still the best.
>>
>>
> They are computer dialed. They don't care if you answer or not. They
> just keep calling.
>

Any any laws are toothless for the worst offenders because they are
using VoIP to call from Mumbai or who knows where.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:23:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
wrote:
snip

I notice the govt passes a
>lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
>disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.
>
>nb

That's mostly down to Senators and Representatives who want to look
good back home at election time. Then they can say that they
wrote/sponsored such and such bill. Everyone is o.k. with passing
stuff like that because it means nothing and affects nothing.
Troublesome issues attract controversy and no one wants to touch those
unless they can create a spin on the issue against the opposite party.
(that's my cynical view)
The fair view says that whatever laws are created these days there is
a person out there that figures out a way to circumvent it.
Janet US

On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:

>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>
> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
> voicemail at a later time?


My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
the time and date and the number of the call.

I don't know

On 14/10/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
>
> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
> the time and date and the number of the call.
>
> I don't know
>
>
>


OOPs...send that one prematurely.

I just did a search and confirmed that the Canadian Radio
Telecommunication Commission has convicted off shore companies for
unsolicited calls to people on the Do Not Call list. They have laid
some whopping huge fines too, $12,000 against one company and $495,000
against another.

Apparently, those were charges against a company that was calling people
up to tell them about viruses in their computers.


The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
Australia's Media Communication Authority.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss

On 10/14/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
>
> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
> the time and date and the number of the call.
>
> I don't know
>
>
>
I was referring to the disingenuous offer about "press 9 now..." even
though there is a good possibility their system is leaving a voicemail.

On 10/14/2012 2:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>>
>>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough
>>>> with
>>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>>
>>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>>> voicemail at a later time?
>>
>>
>> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
>> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
>> the time and date and the number of the call.
>>
>> I don't know
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> OOPs...send that one prematurely.
>
> I just did a search and confirmed that the Canadian Radio
> Telecommunication Commission has convicted off shore companies for
> unsolicited calls to people on the Do Not Call list. They have laid
> some whopping huge fines too, $12,000 against one company and $495,000
> against another.
>
> Apparently, those were charges against a company that was calling people
> up to tell them about viruses in their computers.
>
>
> The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
> Australia's Media Communication Authority.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss

They fined them but how can they collect? I didn't think there was any
mechanism for that once someone is outside the boundaries of a country.
Thats pretty much the same reason folks stuff money in banks in the
Caymans and similar places because it is beyond the reach of tax
collectors in their home country.

On 14/10/2012 4:44 PM, George wrote:
I don't know
>>
>>
>>
> I was referring to the disingenuous offer about "press 9 now..." even
> though there is a good possibility their system is leaving a voicemail.



That's sort of like pressing the button for the cross walk signal,
except those sometimes work. If I get another call from one after
having pressed 9 to be taken off the list, I push the number to talk to
a rep.... and waste some of their time.

On 14/10/2012 4:46 PM, George wrote:

>>
>> The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
>> Australia's Media Communication Authority.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss
>
> They fined them but how can they collect? I didn't think there was any
> mechanism for that once someone is outside the boundaries of a country.
> Thats pretty much the same reason folks stuff money in banks in the
> Caymans and similar places because it is beyond the reach of tax
> collectors in their home country.


That's a good question, but if I understand it correctly, they must have
had some sort of office in the country. If the have someone to serve
papers on they have someone to hold liable. I would imagine that the
network can be traced back to whoever is providing the lines. I don't
really care if they pay the fines so long as they stop, but there are a
lot of international crime problems that are being handled these days.
Since this one involves fraud it is a criminal matter and they should
expect some cooperation from Indian authorities.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:02:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:41:00 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>That's one of my pet peeves...friends/family who *call me* and then tell me
>>>that they have another call coming in on Call Waiting while we're talking,
>>>and then hang up to take the other call. I do hate receiving calls from cell
>>>phones too, the reception is always bad, and you spend your time saying
>>>what? what? what?
>>
>>My brother-in-law did that to me once. I hung up. Now he's on the
>>'leave a message' list. I hate the phone anyway, so it is for the
>>best. He knows if he needs something, I'll get back to him.
>
> A "friend" did that to me twice one night. That was 20 years ago and
> I've not talked to him since.

Maybe you should call him up and say, "Hi Bob. I haven't talked to
you for a while. Hey, remember that time 20 years ago....Oh, hold on.
I have another call coming in". And then put him on hold
indefinitely.

ObFood: Red Barron French Bread Pizzas are not better or cheaper than
the same Stouffer's product.

-sw

On 10/14/2012 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> That govt
> do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
> actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
> lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
> disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

If you really believe that, take a stand to have it dropped. They're
sure spending a lot of money for something toothless. In the words of
Marty, just sayin...

On 10/14/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
> On 10/13/2012 4:08 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 10/13/2012 10:28 AM, George wrote:
>>
>>> My favorite are the disingenuous robo calls that leave a voice mail such
>>> as "did you know president Obama is helping people with their mortgages
>>> and we can get that help for you, press 1 now to speak to an operator or
>>> press 9 to be removed from our list."
>>
>> Yeah, those are the ones where you press the number to be removed from
>> the list and it disconnects, and they still keep calling you. Legit
>> telemarketers are supposed to acknowledge that you've been removed from
>> their lists. Actually, legit telemarketers are supposed to download
>> lists of phone numbers that are registered, and removed those from their
>> autodialers and manual processes for calling. Something is going on in
>> the last couple of years where they're not complying and they aren't all
>> coming from outside of the US.
>>
>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>
> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
> voicemail at a later time?

Can't. That's why I said answer the phone if you're there when they call.

On 10/14/2012 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> George wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2012 4:08 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2012 10:28 AM, George wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite are the disingenuous robo calls that leave a voice mail such
>>>> as "did you know president Obama is helping people with their mortgages
>>>> and we can get that help for you, press 1 now to speak to an operator or
>>>> press 9 to be removed from our list."
>>>
>>> Yeah, those are the ones where you press the number to be removed from
>>> the list and it disconnects, and they still keep calling you. Legit
>>> telemarketers are supposed to acknowledge that you've been removed from
>>> their lists. Actually, legit telemarketers are supposed to download
>>> lists of phone numbers that are registered, and removed those from their
>>> autodialers and manual processes for calling. Something is going on in
>>> the last couple of years where they're not complying and they aren't all
>>> coming from outside of the US.
>>>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
> I find this whole thread very amusing.
> If you get a "cold call" just ignore it.
> If you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>
> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
> they will stop.
>
> People here spend more time than the original calls, complaining about them
>

It's amusing to me, too, but in a different way. People want to bitch
about DNC and say it's useless but the govmt spends a lot of money on
it. Do something about it or quit bitching.