Thread: dishwashers

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
<[email protected]> wrote:

> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

No idea. I can only tell you that I saw a very impressive dishwasher
at a real estate open house today. It was a Thermadore - Professional
Series. Very impressive. Heavy door, nice styling with a bevel on
it.
http://www.aggressiveappliances.com/...dwhd630gcp.jpg
http://www.aggressiveappliances.com/...es-dishwasher/

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:

> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC

I prefer real flesh. None of that saline or silicon crap for me. I
don't even mind if she doesn't wash dishes, as long as they're real.

-sw

tert in seattle wrote:
>
> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
"padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.

Pete C. wrote:
>
> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>>
>> correct?
>
> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.

thanks, that helps

"Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:u2jsbz258cv1$.[email protected]..
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>
> I prefer real flesh. None of that saline or silicon crap for me. I
> don't even mind if she doesn't wash dishes, as long as they're real.

So hard (or soft?) to argue.

pavane

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > tert in seattle wrote:
> >>
> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
> >>
> >> stainless
> >> nylon
> >> vinyl
> >> PVC
> >>
> >> correct?
> >
> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>
> thanks, that helps

Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
were going to fall off.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:36:06 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> >
>> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >>
>> >> stainless
>> >> nylon
>> >> vinyl
>> >> PVC
>> >>
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>
>> thanks, that helps
>
>Racks are racks.

That's what you think.
This is a rack: http://tinyurl.com/6r3hnw6

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> >
>> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >>
>> >> stainless
>> >> nylon
>> >> vinyl
>> >> PVC
>> >>
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>
>> thanks, that helps
>
> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
> the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
> were going to fall off.

well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
a replacement rack

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
<[email protected]> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > tert in seattle wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
> >> >>
> >> >> stainless
> >> >> nylon
> >> >> vinyl
> >> >> PVC
> >> >>
> >> >> correct?
> >> >
> >> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> >> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> >> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> >> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> >> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
> >>
> >> thanks, that helps
> >
> > Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
> > the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
> > were going to fall off.
>
> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
> a replacement rack

Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:54:19 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>
> I prefer real flesh. None of that saline or silicon crap for me. I
> don't even mind if she doesn't wash dishes, as long as they're real.

It's amazing how low you sexist pigs can go. DIE mother****er!

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> stainless
>> >> >> nylon
>> >> >> vinyl
>> >> >> PVC
>> >> >>
>> >> >> correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> >> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> >> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> >> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> >> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>> >>
>> >> thanks, that helps
>> >
>> > Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
>> > the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
>> > were going to fall off.
>>
>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
>> a replacement rack
>
> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

here's a concept for you -- twin boys

just imagine the synergies

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>
>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>
>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>> necessitating a replacement rack
>
> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>
>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>
>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>
>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
>> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.
>
>Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
>racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.

One year old children shouldn't be able to get to the inside of a
dishwasher... I can't imagine how a one year old can help with doing
dishes anyway, most one year olds haven't taken their first step yet.
All the dishwasher racks I've ever seen are made of ordinary carbon
steel with a plastic coating (usually some type of vinyl). Even the
large commercial dishwashers used by restuarants have the same type of
rack material only the wire is a larger diameter. I just now checked
my Maytag, the racks are strongly magnetic, they are clad with some
kind cushiony plastic. My dishwasher is ten years old, granted it's
used but once or twice a week, however the racks are like new. I'd
think it's the harshness of the washing compounds one uses that would
cause the most wear... I have softened water so I can use half the
recommended washing compound. And I always use the sanitizing setting
and the dry setting which subjects the racks to more heat. I've never
seen stainless steel dishwasher racks or any bare metal racks.

On Mar 17, 9:29*pm, tert in seattle <t...@ftupet.com> wrote:
> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
around" more and possibly chip. The racks in my GE "tall tub"
dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
years of use, and work just fine.

N.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>
>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>
>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>
>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
>>> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.
>>
>>Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
>>racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.
>
> One year old children shouldn't be able to get to the inside of a
> dishwasher... I can't imagine how a one year old can help with doing
> dishes anyway, most one year olds haven't taken their first step yet.

(snippage)

The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...

Jill

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:05:04 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>>
>>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>>> currently have two _one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>>> dishes_ -
>
>The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
>curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
>say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
>matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
>They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
>NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
>oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...
>
>Jill

See above.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:05:04 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] ..
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>>>> currently have two _one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>>>> dishes_ -
>>
>>The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
>>curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
>>say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
>>matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
>>They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
>>NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
>>oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...
>>
>>Jill
>
> See above.

Huh, and here I thought tert was a good masculine-sounding pseudonym.

Anyhow, accidents do happen, and it doesn't have to be the 5-year-olds'
fault. I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,
I'll know better next time... or not.

tert in seattle wrote:
>
>I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
>ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
>to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
>question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
>d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,

I don't think nylon is used much inside dishwashers, it's much more
likely that load bearing parts are made of delrin and cushioning parts
are of vinyl... nylon doesn't hold up to heat very well. But in any
case you're not going to have any choice, the rack materials used are
the same across all the brands... it's likely all the manufacturer's
racks are made in the same factory. However you'd be wise to choose a
stainless steel interior rather than plastic, the few dollars more
will be well worth it. I think today's dish washers are infinitely
more durable and leagues ahead technology wise. My ten year old
Maytag operates flawlessly. Keep in mind that with some people no
matter what they touch it doesn't last long, some are naturally
abusive... some people are such klutzes that they can't flush a toilet
without breaking the flush mechanism.

On 3/19/2012 11:01 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> On Mar 17, 9:29 pm, tert in seattle<t...@ftupet.com> wrote:
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>>
>> correct?
>
> I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
> around" more and possibly chip. The racks in my GE "tall tub"
> dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
> years of use, and work just fine.

My top rack is vinyl and I actually broke a glass in it tonight. I was
loading it to run and a bowl I put on the top rack fell over onto glass
and broke it and I hope I found all the pieces. I had to just run it.
I might find some clean sharp pieces in the flatware bin because I
couldn't find any more pieces.

I also just bought a GE Tall tub stainless dishwasher. The cycle ended
without incident so I'll have to be careful emptying it.