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  1. #1
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

    Default Dinner or dessert?

    I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    [she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    dinner] What do you think?

    7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    butter.
    Bake 10 minutes.

    Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    onions.
    Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    Bake 10 minutes more.

    I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    legitimate dinner.

    Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    for- I *really* liked that.

    Jim

  2. #2
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:00:10 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    > cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    > [she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    > dinner] What do you think?
    >
    > 7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    > Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    > edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    > butter.
    > Bake 10 minutes.
    >
    > Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    > onions.
    > Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    > Bake 10 minutes more.


    Dang, that sounds good.
    >
    > I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    > dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    > legitimate dinner.


    Who cares if the crust is sweet, maybe cut back a bit on the sugar -
    but if you liked it, do it again!
    >
    > Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    > for- I *really* liked that.
    >

    I liked what you said before, so maybe pears and blue cheese... or
    Martha Stewart's Marbled Lemon Tart with Sage-Cornmeal Crust.

    --

    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

  3. #3
    [email protected] Guest

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    On Feb 16, 6:00*pm, Jim Elbrecht <elbre...@email.com> wrote:
    > I made this for dinner tonight. * *I messed up and used sugar in the
    > cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    > [she wasn't really complaining. *She said it was good-- just not
    > dinner] * What do you think?
    >
    > 7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    > Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    > edges over apples forming a rim; *brush apples and crusts with melted
    > butter.
    > Bake 10 minutes.
    >
    > Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    > onions.
    > Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    > Bake 10 minutes more.
    >
    > I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because *I rarely have
    > dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    > legitimate dinner.
    >
    > Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    > for- I *really* liked that.
    >
    > Jim


    Well, I've never eaten ham for dessert so I'd call it a dinner. Why
    does she think that just because the crust had sugar in it that it has
    to be called a dessert? People eat sweet potatoes with sugar,
    cinnamon, and even marshmallows and they don't call that a dessert.
    We have stewed apples several times a week and I don't consider that
    to be a dessert.

  4. #4
    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    Jim wrote:

    > I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    > cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    > [she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    > dinner] What do you think?
    >
    > 7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    > Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    > edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    > butter.
    > Bake 10 minutes.
    >
    > Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    > onions.
    > Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    > Bake 10 minutes more.
    >
    > I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    > dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    > legitimate dinner.
    >
    > Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    > for- I *really* liked that.


    Neither dinner NOR dessert: It's a breakfast item, though the blue cheese
    might well be omitted.

    Bob



  5. #5
    M. JL Esq. Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    Bob Terwilliger wrote:
    > Jim wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    >>cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    >>[she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    >>dinner] What do you think?
    >>
    >>7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    >>Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    >>edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    >>butter.
    >>Bake 10 minutes.
    >>
    >>Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    >>onions.
    >>Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    >>Bake 10 minutes more.
    >>
    >>I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    >>dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    >>legitimate dinner.
    >>
    >>Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >>for- I *really* liked that.

    >
    >
    > Neither dinner NOR dessert: It's a breakfast item, though the blue cheese
    > might well be omitted.
    >
    > Bob
    >
    >


    Etymology is your friend, "dinner" comes from dine which come from a
    French word meaning to break ones fast, thus every meal is a breaking of
    a fast or breakfast, unless one is only eating soup. Then one has supper
    --
    JL

  6. #6
    M. JL Esq. Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    M. JL Esq. wrote:


    >
    >> Jim wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    >>> cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    >>> [she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    >>> dinner] What do you think?


    If you served and ate it as "dinner" than that is what it was.

    >>>
    >>> 7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    >>> Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    >>> edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    >>> butter.
    >>> Bake 10 minutes.
    >>>
    >>> Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    >>> onions.
    >>> Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    >>> Bake 10 minutes more.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    >>> dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    >>> legitimate dinner.
    >>>
    >>> Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >>> for- I *really* liked that.


    Make a version of eggs benedict using the cornbread in place of an
    english muffin?

    While it would be easy enough to recommend many sorts of Tex-Mex style
    additions and seasonings, one might also consider forming the
    cornbread dough around asparagus & sliced cheese, perhaps adding thinly
    sliced ham or diced chicken or fish? Serve with a cheese sauce or
    hollandaise?

    Filling the corn bread with a mix of cooked ground beef, corn, refried
    beans, 'taco sauce' shredded cheddar all seasoned with some chilli
    powder and cumin would probly be as good in the individual servings as
    it is when made as a casserole with the cornbread forming either a
    topping or an enclosing crust, depending on how big one makes the dish.
    --
    JL

  7. #7
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:00:10 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    >wrote:

    -snip-
    >
    >Dang, that sounds good.


    It was-- Inspired by a similar contraption in a BHG mag- "Bacon and
    Blue cheese Dinner Pies". Theirs had bacon & no pine nuts or veggies.
    [and used a corn muffin mix + flour for the crust]
    http://www.bhg-digital.com/bhg/201012?pg=209#pg209

    >>
    >> I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    >> dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    >> legitimate dinner.

    >
    >Who cares if the crust is sweet, maybe cut back a bit on the sugar -
    >but if you liked it, do it again!
    >>


    I will- without the sugar for supper-- but variations with more sweets
    for breakfast, dessert. . . .

    >> Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >> for- I *really* liked that.
    >>

    >I liked what you said before, so maybe pears and blue cheese... or


    You got us started on pears and gorgonzola. I got lucky with the
    pears twice-- but haven't found decent ones in months so I tried it
    with canned pears. It just doesn't work as well.

    >Martha Stewart's Marbled Lemon Tart with Sage-Cornmeal Crust.


    It was a Martha's cornmeal crust that I used. I'll be looking this
    recipe up. Lemons and sage are a couple flavors I don't get enough
    of.

    Holy sucrose, Batman! Martha's crust for that lemon tart uses 1/4
    the sugar of the crust I ran across on the web. I wonder what she
    was going to cook in *that* crust, battery acid?

    I went back to the page where I lifted the recipe.
    http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/cornmeal-pie-dough

    On the one hand- I should have looked more carefully. I was thinking
    savory and never even noticed that the *pie dough* I used was for
    Acorn Squash and Honey pies. [that's why I don't do much that
    requires thinking in the afternoon] OTOH- the good news. Honey
    pie is in my future!

    Thanks
    Jim

  8. #8
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
    -snip-
    >
    >Well, I've never eaten ham for dessert so I'd call it a dinner. Why
    >does she think that just because the crust had sugar in it that it has
    >to be called a dessert? People eat sweet potatoes with sugar,
    >cinnamon, and even marshmallows and they don't call that a dessert.


    Good point-- and that's how she likes her yams, too. <g>

    I think it was a combination of a crust like a pie, apples, and the
    sweetness of the crust.

    >We have stewed apples several times a week and I don't consider that
    >to be a dessert.


    I'm in apple country and can't remember ever having stewed apples. I
    might give that a try. Usually when apples appear on our dinner
    table they are either in cabbage, a salad, or sauced.

    Thanks-
    Jim

  9. #9
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

    -snip-
    >
    >Neither dinner NOR dessert: It's a breakfast item, though the blue cheese
    >might well be omitted.
    >


    Hehe-- It *was* this morning. Blue cheese and all-- and I think you
    win, but I rarely put that much effort into breakfast.

    A minute in the microwave & breakfast was served.

    Not bad.

    Jim

  10. #10
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    "M. JL Esq." <[email protected]> wrote:

    -snip-
    >>>> Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >>>> for- I *really* liked that.

    >
    >Make a version of eggs benedict using the cornbread in place of an
    >english muffin?
    >
    >While it would be easy enough to recommend many sorts of Tex-Mex style
    >additions and seasonings, one might also consider forming the
    >cornbread dough around asparagus & sliced cheese, perhaps adding thinly
    >sliced ham or diced chicken or fish? Serve with a cheese sauce or
    >hollandaise?
    >
    >Filling the corn bread with a mix of cooked ground beef, corn, refried
    >beans, 'taco sauce' shredded cheddar all seasoned with some chilli
    >powder and cumin would probly be as good in the individual servings as
    >it is when made as a casserole with the cornbread forming either a
    >topping or an enclosing crust, depending on how big one makes the dish.


    I like all these ideas for a savory cornmeal crust-- but the one I
    made was too sweet to them justice.

    I'll be searching for a savory cornmeal crust for my May onslaught of
    asparagus.

    Thanks,
    Jim

  11. #11
    Tara Guest

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    On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:00:10 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >for- I *really* liked that.


    peach pie
    sweet potato pie
    blackberry pie
    cheesecake

    Tara

  12. #12
    Kate Connally Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    On 2/16/2011 6:00 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
    > I made this for dinner tonight. I messed up and used sugar in the
    > cornmeal crust, so my wife insists that it is a dessert- not a dinner.
    > [she wasn't really complaining. She said it was good-- just not
    > dinner] What do you think?
    >
    > 7" rounds of cornmeal crust.
    > Slice apples thinly- spread on crusts leaving a 1" border; and fold
    > edges over apples forming a rim; brush apples and crusts with melted
    > butter.
    > Bake 10 minutes.
    >
    > Top with cubed ham that has been saute 'd with yellow peppers and
    > onions.
    > Crumble some blue cheese over and garnish with pine nuts.
    > Bake 10 minutes more.
    >
    > I'm not against eating dessert for dinner because I rarely have
    > dessert-- but I think once the crust is corrected, this should be a
    > legitimate dinner.
    >
    > Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    > for- I *really* liked that.
    >
    > Jim


    Could you post the recipe for the cornmeal crust?

    Thanks,
    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    If I were as old as I feel, Id be dead already.
    Goldfish: The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
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  13. #13
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    Kate Connally <[email protected]> wrote:

    -snip-
    >
    >Could you post the recipe for the cornmeal crust?


    This is the one that 'inspired' me- it takes a cornmeal muffin mix
    which I didn't want to use;
    http://www.bhg-digital.com/bhg/201012?pg=209#pg209

    So I ended up using this *very* sweet crust-
    http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/cornmeal-pie-dough

    I can attest to the second one's ease of use- mouth feel and flavor-
    even if it is sweeter than I expected for a main dish.

    I had another piece this afternoon. It is sweet enough to make
    thumbprint jam cookies from. I'm liable to make a batch and make
    cookies out of it-- or maybe tiny jam tarts in a mini-muffin tin.

    Gotta check the raspberry jam stock.

    Jim

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    Tara Guest

    Default Re: Dinner or dessert?

    On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:00:10 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Also looking for suggestions on what to use the sweet cornmeal crust
    >for- I *really* liked that.


    Spread it with a layer of lemon curd, then arrange fresh berries on
    top. Glaze it with some melted jelly.

    Tara

  15. #15
    Kate Connally Guest

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    On 2/17/2011 1:58 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
    > Kate Connally<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > -snip-
    >>
    >> Could you post the recipe for the cornmeal crust?

    >
    > This is the one that 'inspired' me- it takes a cornmeal muffin mix
    > which I didn't want to use;
    > http://www.bhg-digital.com/bhg/201012?pg=209#pg209
    >
    > So I ended up using this *very* sweet crust-
    > http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/cornmeal-pie-dough
    >
    > I can attest to the second one's ease of use- mouth feel and flavor-
    > even if it is sweeter than I expected for a main dish.


    Thanks, Jim. I have copies both recipes. I don't know if you
    noticed but the "too sweet" one was intended for an Acorn Squash
    and Honey Pie, which was intended as a dessert to replace pumpkin
    pie. That's why it was sweet. Even though the pie dough recipes
    I use for sweet pies don't generally have any sugar in them, but I
    have on occasion made one that does have some sugar - maybe not that
    much though.

    > I had another piece this afternoon. It is sweet enough to make
    > thumbprint jam cookies from. I'm liable to make a batch and make
    > cookies out of it-- or maybe tiny jam tarts in a mini-muffin tin.
    >
    > Gotta check the raspberry jam stock.


    That sounds interesting, although I would not use cornmeal in
    a "sweet" recipe. It just seems weird to me. Although I like my
    corn bread nice and sweet. Go figure.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    If I were as old as I feel, Id be dead already.
    Goldfish: The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    mailto:[email protected]

  16. #16
    Whirled Peas Guest

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    On 02/18/2011 09:50 AM, Kate Connally wrote:
    >
    > That sounds interesting, although I would not use cornmeal in
    > a "sweet" recipe. It just seems weird to me. Although I like my
    > corn bread nice and sweet. Go figure.


    How about Lemon Chess Pie? That has cornmeal in the filling. There's a
    really good recipe for Lemon Chess Pie with Blackberry Compote at
    Epicurious.com. That recipe has a coconut crust, but I'll bet it would
    be good with this corn meal crust also.

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