Thread: Diabetes, what did I hear?

"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
> apple? Polly

The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
diet.

Paul

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?
> Polly

600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
>some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
>was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
>600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?

It is a PROVEN scientific fact, that your caloric needs drop drastically
once you're dead!

"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
> apple? Polly

Yes, you heard it. That was posted about on the diabetes newsgroup. Nobody
could live on a diet like that for very long. And in fact in the old days
diabetes was treated by a starvation diet that consisted of mainly just fat.

"Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
>> Sam Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>> apple? Polly
>
> The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
> diet.

I think we all know the answer to that!

"sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>> and
>> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>> there
>> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
>> a
>> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
>> Sam
>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>> apple?
>> Polly
>
> 600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.
>
Nope.

http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20110...verse-diabetes

I don't even eat 1600 calories. Haven't for years! I would gain weight if
I ate that much.

In article <iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]..
>>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>> apple? Polly
>
>The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
>diet.

That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery


S.

sf <[email protected]> wrote:

>600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.

600 is a typical medically supervised diet for those facing
horrendous health problems if they do not diet.

Don't try it at home though.


Steve

On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
> apple? Polly

My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some
sort for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to
about 1500 calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs
to regulate his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.

A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda
like soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in
cooking or candy making before...

"dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>> apple? Polly
>
> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
> diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
> injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some sort
> for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about 1500
> calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
> his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
>
> A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
> too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda like
> soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
> candy making before...

Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away. Diabetes
can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can do
this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control. Sometimes
it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
lumped into either type 1 or type 2.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?
> Polly

Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.

Miche

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On 28/06/2011 3:12 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> In article<iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Polly Esther"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>>> apple? Polly
>>
>> The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
>> diet.
>
> That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery
>
>
> S.
I haven't heard of this url ?

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"Miche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>> and
>> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>> there
>> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
>> a
>> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
>> Sam
>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>> apple?
>> Polly
>
> Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
> the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.
>
> Miche

What? That can't be right. I sometimes eat that many calories, but most
days closer to 1000. I'm sure not starving!

"atec77" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 28/06/2011 3:12 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>> In article<iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Polly Esther"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while
>>>> quilting
>>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard
>>>> that
>>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
>>>> Sam
>>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>>>> apple? Polly
>>>
>>> The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a
>>> day
>>> diet.
>>
>> That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery
>>
>>
>> S.
> I haven't heard of this url ?

http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20110...verse-diabetes

dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:

>My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
>diabetes.

That's possible. The reason it's possible is that even very
short-term transient hyperglycemia can meet the definition of
diabetes. Hence, gestational diabetes, or steriod-induced,
can be readily reversed. I have pre-diabetes after a course
of steroids so I was careful with diet and it went away, hasn't returned.
A doc today offered me a steroid shot, I said no way, not that
desperate.

If it's lifestyle induced you're going to have a more difficult time
reversing it, especially if it stays in there awhile. But it's still not
categoritcally impossible. (May be impossible for some patients.)

Steve

On 6/27/2011 7:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4e096a0b$0$6990$[email protected] com...
>> On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>>> apple? Polly
>>
>> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
>> diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
>> injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some sort
>> for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about 1500
>> calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
>> his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
>> too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda like
>> soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
>> candy making before...
>
> Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away. Diabetes
> can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can do
> this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control. Sometimes
> it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
> lumped into either type 1 or type 2.
>
>

You're right about this - he's not cured. He just doesn't have to take
any medication. My guess is that he'll have to watch his weight or it'll
come back.

My wife's friend might have been cured. She had sky high A1C numbers and
had a gastric bypass surgery. She lost some weight, gained it back, but
seems to no longer have T-2 diabetes. My wife says she drinks 2 large
bottles of soda a night plus some 12 oz cans which could mean she drinks
as much as a gallon of so each night. Holy smokes!

On 6/27/2011 9:00 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> dsi1<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
>> diabetes.
>
> That's possible. The reason it's possible is that even very
> short-term transient hyperglycemia can meet the definition of
> diabetes. Hence, gestational diabetes, or steriod-induced,
> can be readily reversed. I have pre-diabetes after a course
> of steroids so I was careful with diet and it went away, hasn't returned.
> A doc today offered me a steroid shot, I said no way, not that
> desperate.
>
> If it's lifestyle induced you're going to have a more difficult time
> reversing it, especially if it stays in there awhile. But it's still not
> categoritcally impossible. (May be impossible for some patients.)
>
> Steve

He's probably prone to it since my dad and I both have type II and take
medication. I thought it was pretty funny that he'd be getting into
making fudge. I can only have a small piece of it though. He makes a
really smooth batch!

"dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 6/27/2011 7:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:4e096a0b$0$6990$[email protected] com...
>>> On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
>>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while
>>>> quilting
>>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
>>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
>>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
>>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
>>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
>>>> apple? Polly
>>>
>>> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
>>> diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
>>> injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some
>>> sort
>>> for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about
>>> 1500
>>> calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
>>> his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
>>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
>>> too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda
>>> like
>>> soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
>>> candy making before...
>>
>> Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away.
>> Diabetes
>> can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can
>> do
>> this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control.
>> Sometimes
>> it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
>> lumped into either type 1 or type 2.
>>
>>
>
> You're right about this - he's not cured. He just doesn't have to take any
> medication. My guess is that he'll have to watch his weight or it'll come
> back.
>
> My wife's friend might have been cured. She had sky high A1C numbers and
> had a gastric bypass surgery. She lost some weight, gained it back, but
> seems to no longer have T-2 diabetes. My wife says she drinks 2 large
> bottles of soda a night plus some 12 oz cans which could mean she drinks
> as much as a gallon of so each night. Holy smokes!

She drinks that much after gastric bypass? If so she'll bust herself.

In article <iubquc$cie$[email protected]>,
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Miche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
> >> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
> >> and
> >> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
> >> there
> >> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
> >> a
> >> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
> >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
> >> Sam
> >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
> >> apple?
> >> Polly
> >
> > Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
> > the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.
>
> What? That can't be right. I sometimes eat that many calories, but most
> days closer to 1000. I'm sure not starving!

Lucky you.

Miche

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