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  1. #1
    Polly Esther Guest

    Default Diabetes, what did I hear?

    I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
    some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
    was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
    600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?
    Polly


  2. #2
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    > Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    > apple? Polly


    The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
    diet.

    Paul



  3. #3
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    > actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
    > some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
    > was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
    > 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    > Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?
    > Polly


    600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.

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    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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    HumBug! Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
    >some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
    >was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
    >600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?


    It is a PROVEN scientific fact, that your caloric needs drop drastically
    once you're dead!






  5. #5
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    > Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    > apple? Polly


    Yes, you heard it. That was posted about on the diabetes newsgroup. Nobody
    could live on a diet like that for very long. And in fact in the old days
    diabetes was treated by a starvation diet that consisted of mainly just fat.



  6. #6
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:iublb5$i2n$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
    >> Sam Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >> apple? Polly

    >
    > The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
    > diet.


    I think we all know the answer to that!



  7. #7
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:35:11 -0500, "Polly Esther"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >> and
    >> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >> there
    >> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
    >> a
    >> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
    >> Sam
    >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >> apple?
    >> Polly

    >
    > 600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.
    >

    Nope.

    http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20110...verse-diabetes

    I don't even eat 1600 calories. Haven't for years! I would gain weight if
    I ate that much.



  8. #8
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    In article <iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]..
    >>I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >>and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >>there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >> apple? Polly

    >
    >The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
    >diet.


    That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery


    S.

  9. #9
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >600 would be a starvation diet. Maybe it was 1600.


    600 is a typical medically supervised diet for those facing
    horrendous health problems if they do not diet.

    Don't try it at home though.


    Steve

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    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
    > I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    > actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    > and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    > there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    > people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    > Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    > apple? Polly


    My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
    injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some
    sort for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to
    about 1500 calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs
    to regulate his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.

    A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
    too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda
    like soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in
    cooking or candy making before...

  11. #11
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4e096a0b$0$6990$[email protected] com...
    > On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
    >> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >> apple? Polly

    >
    > My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    > diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
    > injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some sort
    > for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about 1500
    > calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
    > his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
    >
    > A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
    > too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda like
    > soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
    > candy making before...


    Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away. Diabetes
    can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can do
    this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control. Sometimes
    it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
    lumped into either type 1 or type 2.



  12. #12
    Miche Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    > actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting and
    > some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that there
    > was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on a
    > 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    > Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an apple?
    > Polly


    Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
    the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.

    Miche

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    Electricians do it in three phases

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    atec77 Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On 28/06/2011 3:12 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
    > In article<iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook<[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> "Polly Esther"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >>> apple? Polly

    >>
    >> The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a day
    >> diet.

    >
    > That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery
    >
    >
    > S.

    I haven't heard of this url ?

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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "Miche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >> and
    >> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >> there
    >> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
    >> a
    >> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
    >> Sam
    >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >> apple?
    >> Polly

    >
    > Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
    > the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.
    >
    > Miche


    What? That can't be right. I sometimes eat that many calories, but most
    days closer to 1000. I'm sure not starving!



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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "atec77" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:iubqr6$aoe$[email protected]..
    > On 28/06/2011 3:12 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
    >> In article<iublb5$i2n$[email protected]>, Paul M. Cook<[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Polly Esther"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while
    >>>> quilting
    >>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard
    >>>> that
    >>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
    >>>> Sam
    >>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >>>> apple? Polly
    >>>
    >>> The question is what happens when you take them off the 600 calorie a
    >>> day
    >>> diet.

    >>
    >> That's the reason they give new type 2 diabetics gastric surgery
    >>
    >>
    >> S.

    > I haven't heard of this url ?


    http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20110...verse-diabetes



  16. #16
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    >diabetes.


    That's possible. The reason it's possible is that even very
    short-term transient hyperglycemia can meet the definition of
    diabetes. Hence, gestational diabetes, or steriod-induced,
    can be readily reversed. I have pre-diabetes after a course
    of steroids so I was careful with diet and it went away, hasn't returned.
    A doc today offered me a steroid shot, I said no way, not that
    desperate.

    If it's lifestyle induced you're going to have a more difficult time
    reversing it, especially if it stays in there awhile. But it's still not
    categoritcally impossible. (May be impossible for some patients.)

    Steve

  17. #17
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On 6/27/2011 7:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4e096a0b$0$6990$[email protected] com...
    >> On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
    >>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    >>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >>> apple? Polly

    >>
    >> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    >> diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
    >> injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some sort
    >> for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about 1500
    >> calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
    >> his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
    >>
    >> A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
    >> too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda like
    >> soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
    >> candy making before...

    >
    > Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away. Diabetes
    > can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can do
    > this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control. Sometimes
    > it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
    > lumped into either type 1 or type 2.
    >
    >


    You're right about this - he's not cured. He just doesn't have to take
    any medication. My guess is that he'll have to watch his weight or it'll
    come back.

    My wife's friend might have been cured. She had sky high A1C numbers and
    had a gastric bypass surgery. She lost some weight, gained it back, but
    seems to no longer have T-2 diabetes. My wife says she drinks 2 large
    bottles of soda a night plus some 12 oz cans which could mean she drinks
    as much as a gallon of so each night. Holy smokes!

  18. #18
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    On 6/27/2011 9:00 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
    > dsi1<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    >> diabetes.

    >
    > That's possible. The reason it's possible is that even very
    > short-term transient hyperglycemia can meet the definition of
    > diabetes. Hence, gestational diabetes, or steriod-induced,
    > can be readily reversed. I have pre-diabetes after a course
    > of steroids so I was careful with diet and it went away, hasn't returned.
    > A doc today offered me a steroid shot, I said no way, not that
    > desperate.
    >
    > If it's lifestyle induced you're going to have a more difficult time
    > reversing it, especially if it stays in there awhile. But it's still not
    > categoritcally impossible. (May be impossible for some patients.)
    >
    > Steve


    He's probably prone to it since my dad and I both have type II and take
    medication. I thought it was pretty funny that he'd be getting into
    making fudge. I can only have a small piece of it though. He makes a
    really smooth batch!

  19. #19
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?


    "dsi1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:iuc3jd$rh9$[email protected]..
    > On 6/27/2011 7:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >> "dsi1"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:4e096a0b$0$6990$[email protected] com...
    >>> On 6/27/2011 5:35 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
    >>>> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    >>>> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while
    >>>> quilting
    >>>> and some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    >>>> there was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen
    >>>> people on a 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    >>>> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the Sam
    >>>> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    >>>> apple? Polly
    >>>
    >>> My son lost a bunch of weight and apparently cured himself of type II
    >>> diabetes. A year ago, he was in poor shape and had to take insulin by
    >>> injection. He's on some diet where he drinks powered material of some
    >>> sort
    >>> for meals. My guess is that this restricts his daily intake to about
    >>> 1500
    >>> calories or less a day. Anyway, he no longer takes any drugs to regulate
    >>> his blood sugar. Pretty amazing stuff.
    >>>
    >>> A couple of weeks ago, he was into making fudge. He's quite good at it
    >>> too. He made a key lime fudge that was interesting - it tasted kinda
    >>> like
    >>> soap to me. That was weird - he's never shown any interest in cooking or
    >>> candy making before...

    >>
    >> Just because he's not on meds doesn't mean his diabetes went away.
    >> Diabetes
    >> can be controlled by diet alone or diet and exercise. Not everyone can
    >> do
    >> this. And sometimes weight loss alone brings it under control.
    >> Sometimes
    >> it doesn't. There are over 300 variants to diabetes. Yet most of us are
    >> lumped into either type 1 or type 2.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > You're right about this - he's not cured. He just doesn't have to take any
    > medication. My guess is that he'll have to watch his weight or it'll come
    > back.
    >
    > My wife's friend might have been cured. She had sky high A1C numbers and
    > had a gastric bypass surgery. She lost some weight, gained it back, but
    > seems to no longer have T-2 diabetes. My wife says she drinks 2 large
    > bottles of soda a night plus some 12 oz cans which could mean she drinks
    > as much as a gallon of so each night. Holy smokes!


    She drinks that much after gastric bypass? If so she'll bust herself.



  20. #20
    Miche Guest

    Default Re: Diabetes, what did I hear?

    In article <iubquc$cie$[email protected]>,
    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Miche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I was sort of listening to the news on tv ( the network that lets us
    > >> actually hear some of the testimony in the Anthony trial) while quilting
    > >> and
    > >> some of the announcement missed my ears. It seems like I heard that
    > >> there
    > >> was some sort of study about diabetics. They put about a dozen people on
    > >> a
    > >> 600 calorie a day diet and their symptoms disappeared.
    > >> Did I really hear that? And, in my Moma's expression, "What in the
    > >> Sam
    > >> Hill" could a 600 calorie a diet be? Maybe a stalk of celery and an
    > >> apple?
    > >> Polly

    > >
    > > Considering the WHO's threshold for starvation is 1200 calories a day,
    > > the symptoms may stop not long before the patient does.

    >
    > What? That can't be right. I sometimes eat that many calories, but most
    > days closer to 1000. I'm sure not starving!


    Lucky you.

    Miche

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    Electricians do it in three phases

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