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  1. #1
    Kate Connally Guest

    Default the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
    the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
    Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
    Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. The very idea!

    It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
    but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. It has been
    my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    of frozen veggies pretty much suck. Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
    Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. As
    for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. I *hate*
    baby limas.

    So, now what am I going to do???? What a revoltin' development
    this is!

    Kate
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  2. #2
    Mr. Bill Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:41:03 -0500, Kate Connally <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    >of my usual peas.


    I have been having a very hard time finding Ford hook Limas also.
    Don't understand why. Not being a brand maven, it's not a
    problem buying and serving store brands. Actually, they are very
    available for most items.

    We have tinkered with lima beans and have a nice variation on the
    vegetable. The raspberry vinegar adds a nice "bite".

    @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

    Lima Beans

    vegetables

    10 oz lima beans, frozen
    1/4 cup water
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 tablespoon garlic, chopped
    1/2 teaspoon cumin, or to taste
    1 teaspoon raspberry vinegar
    1/2 teaspoon oregano
    1 pinch sugar
    1 tb pimentos, chopped

    In a small saucepan, bring lima beans to a boil with the water. Cover
    and
    simmer for 8 minutes, stirring occasionally to break up beans.

    Transfer beans and cooking liquid to food processor and add remaining
    ingredients. Process until the consistency of smooth mashed potatoes.
    Serve immediately and top with a few chopped pimento for color.

    Yield: 4 servings


    ** Exported from Now You're Cooking! v5.84 **


    Bon Apptit

  3. #3
    notbob Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On 2008-11-21, Kate Connally <[email protected]> wrote:

    > my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    > of frozen veggies pretty much suck.


    It's been my experience that any frozen lima bean of any kind pretty much
    sucks. The bean skin is always too tough. I completely avoided lima beans
    of any kind for decades until a friend introduced me to dried lima beans and
    showed me how to cook them. Just boil in hot water at rolling boil till
    done. No pre-soaking. The skins become a thin diaphonous whisper of a
    skin, not tough and chewy as old rubber.

    nb

  4. #4
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On Nov 21, 4:41�pm, Kate Connally <conna...@pitt.edu> wrote:
    > So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    > of my usual peas. �Come to find out no one in town carries
    > the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
    > Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
    > Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. �The very idea!
    >
    > It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
    > but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. �It has been
    > my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    > of frozen veggies pretty much suck. �Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
    > Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. �As
    > for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. �I *hate*
    > baby limas.
    >
    > So, now what am I going to do???? �What a revoltin' development
    > this is!


    Fordhook lima beans are the nomal large lima bean. Baby lima beans
    are a separate variety, they are not a immature Fordhook.

    I can't imagine any brand of frozen fordhooks being any differnt from
    another. Essentially the biggest affect on frozen veggie quality is
    how well does a store keep them frozen. Lima beans are not a popular
    veggie to begin with, let alone the large fordhook, probably why Birds
    Eye dropped them, but there are many other brands.

    http://www.pictsweet.com/premdetail.shtml#family

  5. #5
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Sheldon wrote:
    > On Nov 21, 4:41�pm, Kate Connally <conna...@pitt.edu> wrote:
    >> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    >> of my usual peas. �Come to find out no one in town carries
    >> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
    >> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
    >> Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. �The very idea!
    >>
    >> It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
    >> but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. �It has been
    >> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    >> of frozen veggies pretty much suck. �Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
    >> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. �As
    >> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. �I *hate*
    >> baby limas.
    >>
    >> So, now what am I going to do???? �What a revoltin' development
    >> this is!

    >
    > Fordhook lima beans are the nomal large lima bean. Baby lima beans
    > are a separate variety, they are not a immature Fordhook.
    >
    > I can't imagine any brand of frozen fordhooks being any differnt from
    > another. Essentially the biggest affect on frozen veggie quality is
    > how well does a store keep them frozen. Lima beans are not a popular
    > veggie to begin with, let alone the large fordhook, probably why Birds
    > Eye dropped them, but there are many other brands.
    >
    > http://www.pictsweet.com/premdetail.shtml#family



    Yep. I think the last time I bought Fordhook's (love 'em, they've got such
    a bad rep) it was Pictsweet brand. But the store brand is no different. I
    think they're pretty much all processed in the same place(s) and simply get
    different brands/labels slapped on them. I love Fordhook lima beans. It's
    not like they've fallen off the face of the earth

    Jill


  6. #6
    l, not -l Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean


    On 21-Nov-2008, Kate Connally <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
    > but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. It has been
    > my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    > of frozen veggies pretty much suck. Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
    > Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. As
    > for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. I *hate*
    > baby limas.
    >
    > So, now what am I going to do???? What a revoltin' development
    > this is!
    >
    > Kate


    I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA) as butter
    bean. Pictsweet brand of frozen vegetables includes both butter beans
    (Fordhook?) and speckled butter beans. I have tried the speckled and found
    them to be of good quality; I have not yet tried the butter beans, but have
    been pleased with every Pictsweet product I've tried.
    --
    Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

  7. #7
    Jinx Minx Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean


    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:6[email protected]..
    > Sheldon wrote:
    >> On Nov 21, 4:41?pm, Kate Connally <conna...@pitt.edu> wrote:
    >>> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    >>> of my usual peas. ?Come to find out no one in town carries
    >>> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
    >>> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
    >>> Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. ?The very idea!
    >>>
    >>> It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
    >>> but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. ?It has been
    >>> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
    >>> of frozen veggies pretty much suck. ?Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
    >>> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. ?As
    >>> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. ?I *hate*
    >>> baby limas.
    >>>
    >>> So, now what am I going to do???? ?What a revoltin' development
    >>> this is!

    >>
    >> Fordhook lima beans are the nomal large lima bean. Baby lima beans
    >> are a separate variety, they are not a immature Fordhook.
    >>
    >> I can't imagine any brand of frozen fordhooks being any differnt from
    >> another. Essentially the biggest affect on frozen veggie quality is
    >> how well does a store keep them frozen. Lima beans are not a popular
    >> veggie to begin with, let alone the large fordhook, probably why Birds
    >> Eye dropped them, but there are many other brands.
    >>
    >> http://www.pictsweet.com/premdetail.shtml#family

    >
    >
    > Yep. I think the last time I bought Fordhook's (love 'em, they've got
    > such a bad rep) it was Pictsweet brand. But the store brand is no
    > different. I think they're pretty much all processed in the same place(s)
    > and simply get different brands/labels slapped on them. I love Fordhook
    > lima beans. It's not like they've fallen off the face of the earth
    >
    > Jill


    That's exactly true. I used to work for a major vegetable producer, so I
    know. After we'd frozen or canned the major label, we'd package for private
    labels out of the same batch. That being said, there are some private
    labels that use lower grade veggies than the premium A grade quality. I
    found that most of the lower grade private labels were packed for southern
    state grocery chains or for overseas, or so it seemed. It's been a long
    time, so I can't remember which brands were the same as the A grade and
    which were B grade, unfortunately. On the plus side, although B grade was
    never substituted when A was in short supply, we would substitute A grade
    product for B grade labels when necessary.

    Jinx



  8. #8
    val189 Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On Nov 21, 7:45 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:


    > I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA) as butter
    > bean.


    Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
    I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
    Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
    too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
    cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.





  9. #9
    Cryambers Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Kate Connally wrote:
    > So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
    > of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
    > the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
    > Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
    > Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. The very idea!
    >



    Birds Eye Fordhook Limas were my very favorite frozen vegetable, since
    childhood (and I'm in my late 40's). I love them enormously:-( I had
    noticed that it became increasingly difficult to find them in recent
    years. I've still got a stash of them in my freezer. I'd been
    parceling them out slowly, but I guess I should use them, since having
    to throw them out because of freezer burn would add insult to injury.

    Grumble.

    pat

  10. #10
    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Cryambers wrote:

    > Birds Eye Fordhook Limas were my very favorite frozen vegetable, since
    > childhood (and I'm in my late 40's). I love them enormously:-( I had
    > noticed that it became increasingly difficult to find them in recent
    > years. I've still got a stash of them in my freezer. I'd been
    > parceling them out slowly, but I guess I should use them, since having
    > to throw them out because of freezer burn would add insult to injury.
    >
    > Grumble.
    >
    > pat


    I dunno how but my kids love 'em. I never went out of my way to serve
    them yet they picked up the taste for them.
    Strange how that happens?
    I find them gaggy starchy. <shiver!>

  11. #11
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    val189 wrote:
    > On Nov 21, 7:45 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
    >> as butter bean.

    >
    > Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
    > I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
    > Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
    > too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
    > cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.



    Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are not
    Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan Yellowish, even.
    And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are plump fat
    very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into them! Dang,
    now I want to make some of these for Thanksgiving! Might just have to do
    two vegetables for Thanksgiving. Shay (the CNA) likes broccoli so that's a
    safe one. Who knows? she might even like Fordhooks!

    Jill <---starting another grocery list


  12. #12
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On Sat 22 Nov 2008 12:21:33a, jmcquown told us...

    > val189 wrote:
    >> On Nov 21, 7:45 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
    >>> as butter bean.

    >>
    >> Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
    >> I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
    >> Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
    >> too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
    >> cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.

    >
    >
    > Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are
    > not Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan Yellowish,
    > even. And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are
    > plump fat very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into
    > them! Dang, now I want to make some of these for Thanksgiving! Might
    > just have to do two vegetables for Thanksgiving. Shay (the CNA) likes
    > broccoli so that's a safe one. Who knows? she might even like
    > Fordhooks!
    >
    > Jill <---starting another grocery list
    >
    >


    I did all my shopping for Thanksgiving this afternoon. Decided to make
    old-fashioned succotash. Fordhook limas, whole kernel corn, some butter,
    heavy cream, and a light sprinkle of thyme.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright
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  13. #13
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    "jmcquown" wrote:
    > val189 wrote:
    > > On Nov 21, 7:45 p wrote:

    >
    > >> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
    > >> as butter bean.

    >
    > > Oh, never knew that. �My other half can eat em right out of thecan.
    > > I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. �My local
    > > Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
    > > too. �Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
    > > cents a can. � I use em when I'm out of puree.

    >
    > Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! �I'm telling you, butter beans are not
    > Fordhook limas! �Butter beans are brown. �Well, tan �Yellowish, even.
    > And sometimes they are speckled, yes. �


    You're wrong, Jill... butter beans is simply southern speak for
    fordhooks. And color has nothing whatsoever to do with it, various
    soils impart particular minerals that sometime stain as they're
    dissolved in the cooking liquid and often when vegetables are cooked
    (heated) they acquire various shades, especially when cooked in the
    can with minimal liquid and not drained... canned limas are usually
    shades of light brownish yellow (ecru/taupe?) because the minerals
    leached from the bean become concentrated in the small amount of
    liquid and actually dye the bean... most southerners obviously only
    eat canned beans because they don't cook much from scratch. LOL

    ---> http://www.ochef.com/52.htm

    Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
    beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
    celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
    parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. I'm
    thinking my 16 quart pot.


  14. #14
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Goomba wrote:
    > Cryambers wrote:
    > > Birds Eye Fordhook Limas were my very favorite frozen vegetable, since
    > > childhood (and I'm in my late 40's). �I love them enormously:-(�I had
    > > noticed that it became increasingly difficult to find them in recent
    > > years. �I've still got a stash of them in my freezer. �I'd been
    > > parceling them out slowly, but I guess I should use them, since having
    > > to throw them out because of freezer burn would add insult to injury.

    >
    > > Grumble.

    >
    > > pat

    >
    > I dunno how but my kids love 'em. I never went out of my way to serve
    > them yet they picked up the taste for them.
    > Strange how that happens?
    > I find them gaggy starchy. <shiver!>


    Frozen limas are frozen fresh, not dried. If yours are starchy you
    didn't cook them long enough.... simmer about 30 minutes, do not
    boil. Unlike other beans canned limas are also processed from fresh,
    often over processed which is why they're typically mushy.


  15. #15
    l, not -l Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean


    On 22-Nov-2008, "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are not
    >
    > Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan Yellowish, even.
    > And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are plump fat
    > very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into them!


    While that may be your experience, I don't accept your definition as
    authoritative, merely your belief. My belief is based on information I
    found in "The Bean Book", published a few years back. Regardless, without
    botanical expertise, we're both simply offering opinion.

    A final opinion: the OP would be best served to ignore our differences of
    opinion, find Pictsweet brand Butter Beans, try them and determine if they
    are a reasonable substitute for the absent Birdseye product.
    --
    Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

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    nobody but us chickens Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] .247...
    > On Sat 22 Nov 2008 12:21:33a, jmcquown told us...
    >
    >> val189 wrote:
    >>> On Nov 21, 7:45 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
    >>>> as butter bean.
    >>>
    >>> Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
    >>> I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
    >>> Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
    >>> too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
    >>> cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.

    >>
    >>
    >> Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are
    >> not Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan Yellowish,
    >> even. And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are
    >> plump fat very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into
    >> them! Dang, now I want to make some of these for Thanksgiving! Might
    >> just have to do two vegetables for Thanksgiving. Shay (the CNA) likes
    >> broccoli so that's a safe one. Who knows? she might even like
    >> Fordhooks!
    >>
    >> Jill <---starting another grocery list
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I did all my shopping for Thanksgiving this afternoon. Decided to make
    > old-fashioned succotash. Fordhook limas, whole kernel corn, some butter,
    > heavy cream, and a light sprinkle of thyme.
    >
    > --
    > Wayne Boatwright



    SUCCOTASH! I made that last year & went over quite well, I'd forgotten that.
    Better add that the ingredients to my shopping list.



  17. #17
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Sheldon wrote:
    >
    > Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
    > beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
    > celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
    > parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. �I'm
    > thinking my 16 quart pot.


    Been (bean) cooking all day...

    The pot!
    http://i34.tinypic.com/fcjh5h.jpg

    Move in for a look see:
    http://i34.tinypic.com/14loxuh.jpg

    Dig in:
    http://i37.tinypic.com/2aj4136.jpg






  18. #18
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Sheldon wrote:
    > Sheldon wrote:
    >> Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
    >> beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
    >> celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
    >> parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. �I'm
    >> thinking my 16 quart pot.

    >
    > Been (bean) cooking all day...
    >
    > The pot!
    > http://i34.tinypic.com/fcjh5h.jpg
    >
    > Move in for a look see:
    > http://i34.tinypic.com/14loxuh.jpg
    >
    > Dig in:
    > http://i37.tinypic.com/2aj4136.jpg
    >

    That looks yummy--and based on the weather here (near Boston), it
    is a great day to both cook and eat it.

    --
    Jean B.

  19. #19
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    On Nov 22, 8:33�pm, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
    > Sheldon wrote:
    > > Sheldon wrote:
    > >> Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
    > >> beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
    > >> celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
    > >> parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. I'm
    > >> thinking my 16 quart pot.

    >
    > > Been (bean) cooking all day...

    >
    > > The pot!
    > >http://i34.tinypic.com/fcjh5h.jpg

    >
    > > Move in for a look see:
    > >http://i34.tinypic.com/14loxuh.jpg

    >
    > > Dig in:
    > >http://i37.tinypic.com/2aj4136.jpg

    >
    > That looks yummy--and based on the weather here (near Boston), it
    > is a great day to both cook and eat it.


    Twelve degrees F. this AM in the Catskills... perfect soup day.


  20. #20
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean

    Sheldon wrote:
    > Twelve degrees F. this AM in the Catskills... perfect soup day.
    >

    Even colder than here, as one might expect. It had been about 17F
    when I got downstairs the last few days.

    --
    Jean B.

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