Thread: Decriminalize Margarine?

"Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was, WTF?
> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be fined
> and put in jail.


A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII

Dimitri

http://www.margarine.org/historyofmargarine.html


1943
State taxes on margarine were repealed in Oklahoma. The courts removed color
barriers in other states shortly after World War II.
1947
Residual war shortages of butter sent it to a dollar a pound and Margarine
Act repeal legislation was offered from many politicians.
1950
Some of the more popular brands prior up until now were Cloverbloom,
Mayflower, Mazola, Nucoa, Blue Plate, Mrs. Filbert’s, Parkay, Imperial, Good
Luck, Nu-Maid, Farmbelle, Shedd’s Safflower, Churngold, Blue Bonnet,
Fleischmann’s, Sunnyland and Table Maid.
1950
Margarine taxes and restrictions became the talk of the country. Finally,
following a significant effort by the National Association of Margarine
Manufacturers, President Truman signed the Margarine Act of 1950 on March 23
of that year.
1951
The Federal margarine tax system came to an end. Pre-colored margarine was
enjoyed by a consumer also pleased with lower prices. Consumption almost
doubled in the next twenty years. State color bans, taxes, licenses and
other restrictions began to fall.

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>
> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
>>WTF?
>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
>> fined and put in jail.
>
>
> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
>
> Dimitri
>

Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the books?
Gawd.

Michael


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"Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was, WTF?
> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be fined
> and put in jail.
>
> "MO. considers decriminalizing margarine
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
> 12/16/2008
>
> JEFFERSON CITY -- A southwest Missouri lawmaker wants to decriminalize
> margarine.
>
> House member Sara Lampe said Tuesday that she plans to file legislation
> repealing Missouri's butter law, which dates to 1895.
>
> The law restricts the sale, possession or shipment of imitation butter
> and bans yellow-tinted varieties. Those dealing contraband dairy products
> can be fined up to $100 and jailed for up to a month.
>
> Lampe, a Springfield Democrat, said the law doesn't make sense anymore.
>
> Enforcement is up to the state Department of Agriculture. And spokeswoman
> Misti Preston said the butter laws are no longer enforced.
>
> Preston said the regulations likely were created to protect Missouri's
> dairy industry."
>
> Michael
>

Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
"butter". How weird is this?

Jill

"Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
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>
>>
>> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
>>>WTF?
>>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
>>> fined and put in jail.
>>
>>
>> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>
> Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
> article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
> books?
> Gawd.
>
> Michael


There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming a
member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner. Silly
of course but none the less a law on the books.

IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as the
county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.

:-)

Dimitri

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> "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
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>>
>> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
>>>WTF?
>>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
>>> fined and put in jail.
>>
>>
>> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>
> Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
> article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
> books?
> Gawd.
>
> Michael
>
>

I suppose it could be still on the books. Like in Ohio (you're familiar
with that ridiculous state, no?). There is (allegedly) a city law still on
the books in Canton, OH which says if one loses their pet tiger, they must
notify the authorities within one hour. Gee, I suppose a lot of people in
Canton have pet tigers. LOL

In McDonald, Ohio where my parents grew up, you aren't allowed to walk your
pet duck unless it's on a leash.

Jill

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> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
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>>
>>>
>>> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
>>>>WTF?
>>>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
>>>> fined and put in jail.
>>>
>>>
>>> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
>> article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
>> books?
>> Gawd.
>>
>> Michael
>
>
> There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
> unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
> Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
> Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming
> a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner.
> Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
>
> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
>
> :-)
>
> Dimitri
>
>
>

that's tennessee.

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"Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
> unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
> Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
> Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming
> a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner.
> Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
>
That's quite true. Jonesboro, Arkansas is in "dry county" but for $5 you
can buy a "membership" to a dinner club and drink like a fish. Ditto some
hotels there. It has to do with local government kickbacks, for the club
fees, I think. It's certainly not that everyone in the county are
tee-totalers and all for prohibition All you have to do is drive 10
miles across the county line and the first thing you see before a gas
station or a motel is a liquor store. Jonesboro is missing out on some
serious tax revenues.

> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
>
True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
doesn't make much sense but there you have it.

> :-)
>
> Dimitri
>
Jill

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
>"butter". How weird is this?

There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
the dye packets. LOL!

That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
unless there is no alternative.

Carol

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"jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..
>>
>>
>> There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
>> unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
>> Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
>> Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book
>> becoming a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with
>> dinner. Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
>>
> That's quite true. Jonesboro, Arkansas is in "dry county" but for $5 you
> can buy a "membership" to a dinner club and drink like a fish. Ditto some
> hotels there. It has to do with local government kickbacks, for the club
> fees, I think. It's certainly not that everyone in the county are
> tee-totalers and all for prohibition All you have to do is drive 10
> miles across the county line and the first thing you see before a gas
> station or a motel is a liquor store. Jonesboro is missing out on some
> serious tax revenues.
>
>> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
>> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
>>
> True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
> doesn't make much sense but there you have it.
>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
> Jill


From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
© 1943

Butterless butter spread

1 T Gelatin
1 T Cold Water
3 T Boiling water
1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
1/2 C Mayonnaise
1/2 t Salt
1/2 Pound Margarine

(Instructions edited)

Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,

Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
rotary beater.

Dimitri

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>
> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares
> as the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
>
>:-)

Probably saved them 10s of thousand of dollars every year. Not having to
hand out free samples to all the tourists

Michael


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"Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
> © 1943
>
> Butterless butter spread
>
> 1 T Gelatin
> 1 T Cold Water
> 3 T Boiling water
> 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
> 1/2 C Mayonnaise
> 1/2 t Salt
> 1/2 Pound Margarine
>
> (Instructions edited)
>
> Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,
>
> Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
> rotary beater.
>
> Dimitri

Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!

Felice

On Dec 16, 10:09�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" <don't...@donttell.huh> wrote:

> Thanks for the info but I've read it. �My question is
> about Missouri. The article isn't real clear. �I mean,
> could the old law still be on the books?

Go to:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutesearch/

Insert "butter" in the search field at the top of the page.
I got 23 documents. A cursory review suggests that
the statute(s) you referred to remains in effect.

"Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
>> © 1943
>>
>> Butterless butter spread
>>
>> 1 T Gelatin
>> 1 T Cold Water
>> 3 T Boiling water
>> 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
>> 1/2 C Mayonnaise
>> 1/2 t Salt
>> 1/2 Pound Margarine
>>
>> (Instructions edited)
>>
>> Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,
>>
>> Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
>> rotary beater.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!
>
> Felice


The book is full of recipes to accommodate the war shortages.

There is also a great deal of great American Propaganda.

Chapter X

A lunch that packs a punch!

If Uncle Sam can carry food
To all our fighting men----
It's not too much for us to pack
A lunchbox now and then.
The mid-day meal must fight fatigue
That's always lurkin'----
It takes a tasty,hearty lunch
To keep our workers workin'

Dimitri

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> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
>>"butter". How weird is this?
>
> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
> the dye packets. LOL!
>
> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
> unless there is no alternative.
>
> Carol
>

I'm with ya' there, Carol. I never heard of margarine being "criminalized",
which would lead it to being "decriminalized".

I grew up on margarine. Mom only bought butter for "holidays". Heh. There
was a time when margarine was cheaper than butter. There was also a time
when it was thought margarine was better for you. I look for butter on sale
and store it in the freezer. The last couple of years, Mom pretty much only
bought butter. She finally figured out, butter is better

Jill

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
>>"butter". How weird is this?
>
> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
> the dye packets. LOL!
>
> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
> unless there is no alternative.
>
> Carol

I had relatives in Wisconsin who used to travel to surrounding States to get
margarine that was already colorized. I recently read that Quebec is now
allowed to sell margarine that has color added. I can't recall my
Wisconsin-born parents ever using margarine though.

Chris who won't use anything but real butter

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>> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
>>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
>>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
>>>"butter". How weird is this?
>>
>> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
>> the dye packets. LOL!
>>
>> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
>> unless there is no alternative.
>>
>> Carol
>
> I had relatives in Wisconsin who used to travel to surrounding States to
> get margarine that was already colorized. I recently read that Quebec is
> now allowed to sell margarine that has color added. I can't recall my
> Wisconsin-born parents ever using margarine though.
>
> Chris who won't use anything but real butter


Here's the funny part - IMHO butter is better for you than any Margarine.

Dimitri

jmcquown wrote:

> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..

>> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
>> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
>>
> True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
> doesn't make much sense but there you have it.

I wonder if their tasters are breaking the law.

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Felice wrote:

>
> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:aqT1l.8949$[email protected]..
>
>> From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
>> © 1943
>>
>> Butterless butter spread
>>
>> 1 T Gelatin
>> 1 T Cold Water
>> 3 T Boiling water
>> 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
>> 1/2 C Mayonnaise
>> 1/2 t Salt
>> 1/2 Pound Margarine
>>
>> (Instructions edited)
>>
>> Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to
>> Mayo,
>>
>> Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
>> rotary beater.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!

A consideration: I think butter was rationed in the US during WWII.


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On Tue 16 Dec 2008 03:12:41p, jmcquown told us...

> "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
>>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
>>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look
>>>like "butter". How weird is this?
>>
>> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
>> the dye packets. LOL!
>>
>> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
>> unless there is no alternative.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>
> I'm with ya' there, Carol. I never heard of margarine being
> "criminalized", which would lead it to being "decriminalized".
>
> I grew up on margarine. Mom only bought butter for "holidays". Heh.
> There was a time when margarine was cheaper than butter. There was also
> a time when it was thought margarine was better for you. I look for
> butter on sale and store it in the freezer. The last couple of years,
> Mom pretty much only bought butter. She finally figured out, butter is
> better
>
> Jill
>

To my knowledge, no one in my family ever used margarine. In fact, my
maternal grandmother preferred buying home-churned butter from small local
farms in the area. It's been some years since I've tasted it, but IIRC, it
tasted even better.

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