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  1. #1
    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Decriminalize Margarine?

    I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was, WTF?
    I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be fined
    and put in jail.

    "MO. considers decriminalizing margarine
    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    12/16/2008

    JEFFERSON CITY -- A southwest Missouri lawmaker wants to decriminalize
    margarine.

    House member Sara Lampe said Tuesday that she plans to file legislation
    repealing Missouri's butter law, which dates to 1895.

    The law restricts the sale, possession or shipment of imitation butter
    and bans yellow-tinted varieties. Those dealing contraband dairy products
    can be fined up to $100 and jailed for up to a month.

    Lampe, a Springfield Democrat, said the law doesn't make sense anymore.

    Enforcement is up to the state Department of Agriculture. And spokeswoman
    Misti Preston said the butter laws are no longer enforced.

    Preston said the regulations likely were created to protect Missouri's
    dairy industry."

    Michael

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  2. #2
    Dimitri Guest

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    "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was, WTF?
    > I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be fined
    > and put in jail.



    A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII

    Dimitri

    http://www.margarine.org/historyofmargarine.html


    1943
    State taxes on margarine were repealed in Oklahoma. The courts removed color
    barriers in other states shortly after World War II.
    1947
    Residual war shortages of butter sent it to a dollar a pound and Margarine
    Act repeal legislation was offered from many politicians.
    1950
    Some of the more popular brands prior up until now were Cloverbloom,
    Mayflower, Mazola, Nucoa, Blue Plate, Mrs. Filbert’s, Parkay, Imperial, Good
    Luck, Nu-Maid, Farmbelle, Shedd’s Safflower, Churngold, Blue Bonnet,
    Fleischmann’s, Sunnyland and Table Maid.
    1950
    Margarine taxes and restrictions became the talk of the country. Finally,
    following a significant effort by the National Association of Margarine
    Manufacturers, President Truman signed the Margarine Act of 1950 on March 23
    of that year.
    1951
    The Federal margarine tax system came to an end. Pre-colored margarine was
    enjoyed by a consumer also pleased with lower prices. Consumption almost
    doubled in the next twenty years. State color bans, taxes, licenses and
    other restrictions began to fall.


  3. #3
    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    news:37S1l.8940$[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking

    >
    > "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
    >>WTF?
    >> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
    >> fined and put in jail.

    >
    >
    > A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
    >
    > Dimitri
    >


    Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
    article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the books?
    Gawd.

    Michael


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    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was, WTF?
    > I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be fined
    > and put in jail.
    >
    > "MO. considers decriminalizing margarine
    > ASSOCIATED PRESS
    > 12/16/2008
    >
    > JEFFERSON CITY -- A southwest Missouri lawmaker wants to decriminalize
    > margarine.
    >
    > House member Sara Lampe said Tuesday that she plans to file legislation
    > repealing Missouri's butter law, which dates to 1895.
    >
    > The law restricts the sale, possession or shipment of imitation butter
    > and bans yellow-tinted varieties. Those dealing contraband dairy products
    > can be fined up to $100 and jailed for up to a month.
    >
    > Lampe, a Springfield Democrat, said the law doesn't make sense anymore.
    >
    > Enforcement is up to the state Department of Agriculture. And spokeswoman
    > Misti Preston said the butter laws are no longer enforced.
    >
    > Preston said the regulations likely were created to protect Missouri's
    > dairy industry."
    >
    > Michael
    >


    Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
    "butter". How weird is this?

    Jill


  5. #5
    Dimitri Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?


    "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    > news:37S1l.8940$[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking
    >
    >>
    >> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
    >>>WTF?
    >>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
    >>> fined and put in jail.

    >>
    >>
    >> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
    >>
    >> Dimitri
    >>

    >
    > Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
    > article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
    > books?
    > Gawd.
    >
    > Michael



    There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
    unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
    Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
    Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming a
    member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner. Silly
    of course but none the less a law on the books.

    IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as the
    county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.

    :-)

    Dimitri




  6. #6
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Ridiculous Laws (WAS: Re: Decriminalize Margarine?)

    "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    > news:37S1l.8940$[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking
    >
    >>
    >> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
    >>>WTF?
    >>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
    >>> fined and put in jail.

    >>
    >>
    >> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
    >>
    >> Dimitri
    >>

    >
    > Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
    > article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
    > books?
    > Gawd.
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >


    I suppose it could be still on the books. Like in Ohio (you're familiar
    with that ridiculous state, no?). There is (allegedly) a city law still on
    the books in Canton, OH which says if one loses their pet tiger, they must
    notify the authorities within one hour. Gee, I suppose a lot of people in
    Canton have pet tigers. LOL

    In McDonald, Ohio where my parents grew up, you aren't allowed to walk your
    pet duck unless it's on a leash.

    Jill


  7. #7
    C.D Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?



    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    >> news:37S1l.8940$[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Michael "Dog3"" <don'[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>I read this in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. My first reaction was,
    >>>>WTF?
    >>>> I wonder if this means all the grocers selling margarine should be
    >>>> fined and put in jail.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> A very old NATIONAL LAW which was repealed after WWII
    >>>
    >>> Dimitri
    >>>

    >>
    >> Thanks for the info but I've read it. My question is about Missouri. The
    >> article isn't real clear. I mean, could the old law still be on the
    >> books?
    >> Gawd.
    >>
    >> Michael

    >
    >
    > There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
    > unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
    > Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
    > Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming
    > a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner.
    > Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
    >
    > IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
    > the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
    >
    > :-)
    >
    > Dimitri
    >
    >
    >


    that's tennessee.

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  8. #8
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..
    >
    >
    > There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
    > unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
    > Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
    > Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book becoming
    > a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with dinner.
    > Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
    >

    That's quite true. Jonesboro, Arkansas is in "dry county" but for $5 you
    can buy a "membership" to a dinner club and drink like a fish. Ditto some
    hotels there. It has to do with local government kickbacks, for the club
    fees, I think. It's certainly not that everyone in the county are
    tee-totalers and all for prohibition All you have to do is drive 10
    miles across the county line and the first thing you see before a gas
    station or a motel is a liquor store. Jonesboro is missing out on some
    serious tax revenues.

    > IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
    > the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
    >

    True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
    doesn't make much sense but there you have it.

    > :-)
    >
    > Dimitri
    >

    Jill


  9. #9
    Damsel in dis Dress Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    >margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    >margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
    >"butter". How weird is this?


    There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
    the dye packets. LOL!

    That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
    unless there is no alternative.

    Carol

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  10. #10
    Dimitri Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?


    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..
    >>
    >>
    >> There are thousands of laws still on the books that have been either
    >> unenforceable or superseded by other laws. I am sure the older the
    >> Stare/territory the more of the laws exist. Example - Liquor laws in
    >> Arkansas until recently and maybe still so you has to sign a book
    >> becoming a member of a private club in order to have a drink - even with
    >> dinner. Silly of course but none the less a law on the books.
    >>

    > That's quite true. Jonesboro, Arkansas is in "dry county" but for $5 you
    > can buy a "membership" to a dinner club and drink like a fish. Ditto some
    > hotels there. It has to do with local government kickbacks, for the club
    > fees, I think. It's certainly not that everyone in the county are
    > tee-totalers and all for prohibition All you have to do is drive 10
    > miles across the county line and the first thing you see before a gas
    > station or a motel is a liquor store. Jonesboro is missing out on some
    > serious tax revenues.
    >
    >> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
    >> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
    >>

    > True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
    > doesn't make much sense but there you have it.
    >
    >> :-)
    >>
    >> Dimitri
    >>

    > Jill



    From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
    © 1943

    Butterless butter spread

    1 T Gelatin
    1 T Cold Water
    3 T Boiling water
    1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
    1/2 C Mayonnaise
    1/2 t Salt
    1/2 Pound Margarine

    (Instructions edited)

    Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,

    Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
    rotary beater.

    Dimitri




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    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    news:ulS1l.8941$as4.8289@nlpi06
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    >
    > IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares
    > as the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
    >
    >:-)


    Probably saved them 10s of thousand of dollars every year. Not having to
    hand out free samples to all the tourists

    Michael


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    Felice Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
    > © 1943
    >
    > Butterless butter spread
    >
    > 1 T Gelatin
    > 1 T Cold Water
    > 3 T Boiling water
    > 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
    > 1/2 C Mayonnaise
    > 1/2 t Salt
    > 1/2 Pound Margarine
    >
    > (Instructions edited)
    >
    > Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,
    >
    > Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
    > rotary beater.
    >
    > Dimitri


    Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!

    Felice



  13. #13
    KevinS Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    On Dec 16, 10:09�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" <don't...@donttell.huh> wrote:

    > Thanks for the info but I've read it. �My question is
    > about Missouri. The article isn't real clear. �I mean,
    > could the old law still be on the books?


    Go to:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutesearch/

    Insert "butter" in the search field at the top of the page.
    I got 23 documents. A cursory review suggests that
    the statute(s) you referred to remains in effect.


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    Dimitri Guest

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    "Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gi92rh$mpf$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Dimitri" <Dimitri_C@pro[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:aqT1l.8949$[email protected]..
    >
    >> From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
    >> © 1943
    >>
    >> Butterless butter spread
    >>
    >> 1 T Gelatin
    >> 1 T Cold Water
    >> 3 T Boiling water
    >> 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
    >> 1/2 C Mayonnaise
    >> 1/2 t Salt
    >> 1/2 Pound Margarine
    >>
    >> (Instructions edited)
    >>
    >> Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to Mayo,
    >>
    >> Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
    >> rotary beater.
    >>
    >> Dimitri

    >
    > Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!
    >
    > Felice



    The book is full of recipes to accommodate the war shortages.

    There is also a great deal of great American Propaganda.

    Chapter X

    A lunch that packs a punch!

    If Uncle Sam can carry food
    To all our fighting men----
    It's not too much for us to pack
    A lunchbox now and then.
    The mid-day meal must fight fatigue
    That's always lurkin'----
    It takes a tasty,hearty lunch
    To keep our workers workin'

    Dimitri


  15. #15
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    >>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    >>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
    >>"butter". How weird is this?

    >
    > There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
    > the dye packets. LOL!
    >
    > That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
    > unless there is no alternative.
    >
    > Carol
    >


    I'm with ya' there, Carol. I never heard of margarine being "criminalized",
    which would lead it to being "decriminalized".

    I grew up on margarine. Mom only bought butter for "holidays". Heh. There
    was a time when margarine was cheaper than butter. There was also a time
    when it was thought margarine was better for you. I look for butter on sale
    and store it in the freezer. The last couple of years, Mom pretty much only
    bought butter. She finally figured out, butter is better

    Jill


  16. #16
    Chris Marksberry Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?


    > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    >>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    >>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
    >>"butter". How weird is this?

    >
    > There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
    > the dye packets. LOL!
    >
    > That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
    > unless there is no alternative.
    >
    > Carol


    I had relatives in Wisconsin who used to travel to surrounding States to get
    margarine that was already colorized. I recently read that Quebec is now
    allowed to sell margarine that has color added. I can't recall my
    Wisconsin-born parents ever using margarine though.

    Chris who won't use anything but real butter



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    Dimitri Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?


    "Chris Marksberry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4948332a$0$27907$[email protected] ster.com...
    >
    >> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    >>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    >>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look like
    >>>"butter". How weird is this?

    >>
    >> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
    >> the dye packets. LOL!
    >>
    >> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
    >> unless there is no alternative.
    >>
    >> Carol

    >
    > I had relatives in Wisconsin who used to travel to surrounding States to
    > get margarine that was already colorized. I recently read that Quebec is
    > now allowed to sell margarine that has color added. I can't recall my
    > Wisconsin-born parents ever using margarine though.
    >
    > Chris who won't use anything but real butter



    Here's the funny part - IMHO butter is better for you than any Margarine.

    Dimitri


  18. #18
    Blinky the Shark Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    jmcquown wrote:

    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:ulS1l.8941$[email protected]..


    >> IIRC at Jack Daniels distillery you are unable to sample their wares as
    >> the county is a dry county - In Kentucky the home of Bourbon.
    >>

    > True, you cannot buy Jack Daniels (or any alcohol) in Lynchburg, TN. It
    > doesn't make much sense but there you have it.


    I wonder if their tasters are breaking the law.

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  19. #19
    Blinky the Shark Guest

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    Felice wrote:

    >
    > "Dimitri" <Di[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:aqT1l.8949$[email protected]..
    >
    >> From Coupon Cookery by Pruence Penny
    >> © 1943
    >>
    >> Butterless butter spread
    >>
    >> 1 T Gelatin
    >> 1 T Cold Water
    >> 3 T Boiling water
    >> 1/2 C Fresh or Evaporated milk
    >> 1/2 C Mayonnaise
    >> 1/2 t Salt
    >> 1/2 Pound Margarine
    >>
    >> (Instructions edited)
    >>
    >> Soften Gelatin Add hot water, Add milk, then the gelatin mixture to
    >> Mayo,
    >>
    >> Soften Margarine then add to mayo mixture 1/4 at a time beating with a
    >> rotary beater.
    >>
    >> Dimitri

    >
    > Good grief! One could barf just <reading> this!


    A consideration: I think butter was rationed in the US during WWII.


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  20. #20
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Decriminalize Margarine?

    On Tue 16 Dec 2008 03:12:41p, jmcquown told us...

    > "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:17:34 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Decriminalize? I didn't know it was a criminal offense to produce/sell
    >>>margarine. This harks back to when the dairy producers got upset about
    >>>margarine and the introduction of yellow dye packets to make it look
    >>>like "butter". How weird is this?

    >>
    >> There was a similar law in Minnesota when I was little. I remember
    >> the dye packets. LOL!
    >>
    >> That said, I believe that margarine is evil, and I only use butter,
    >> unless there is no alternative.
    >>
    >> Carol
    >>

    >
    > I'm with ya' there, Carol. I never heard of margarine being
    > "criminalized", which would lead it to being "decriminalized".
    >
    > I grew up on margarine. Mom only bought butter for "holidays". Heh.
    > There was a time when margarine was cheaper than butter. There was also
    > a time when it was thought margarine was better for you. I look for
    > butter on sale and store it in the freezer. The last couple of years,
    > Mom pretty much only bought butter. She finally figured out, butter is
    > better
    >
    > Jill
    >


    To my knowledge, no one in my family ever used margarine. In fact, my
    maternal grandmother preferred buying home-churned butter from small local
    farms in the area. It's been some years since I've tasted it, but IIRC, it
    tasted even better.

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