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  1. #1
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    a link to www.HFCSfacts.com

    They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!

    Jill


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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    jmcquown <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    > made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    > a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
    >
    > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!


    Supposedly any corn not used for HFCS can be used for ethanol
    production and bring in the same price, or more.

    This is probably just a cover for ADM and Big Soda, not the corn
    farmers producers themselves.

    -sw

  3. #3
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    Sqwertz wrote:
    > jmcquown <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
    >> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
    >> foods. I finally made note of the URL:
    >> http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's a link to
    >> www.HFCSfacts.com
    >>
    >> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of
    >> HFCS since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!

    >
    > Supposedly any corn not used for HFCS can be used for ethanol
    > production and bring in the same price, or more.
    >
    > This is probably just a cover for ADM and Big Soda, not the corn
    > farmers producers themselves.
    >
    > -sw


    You can read into it: corn lobbyists.

    I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    else I wanted to add it to. I don't drink soda pop (Coca Cola, Sprite,
    yada, yada). And I don't care to drink ethanol, even though it could be
    construed as "corn squeezin's".

    Jill


  4. #4
    aem Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sep 6, 3:05*pm, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. *I finally
    > made note of the URL: *http://www.sweetsurprise.com/*From that site there's
    > a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
    >
    > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    >

    Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
    as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
    who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
    be made into ethanol. -aem



  5. #5
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    aem wrote:
    >
    > On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    > > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    > > made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    > > a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
    > >
    > > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    > > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    > >

    > Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
    > as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
    > who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
    > be made into ethanol. -aem


    It's sugar price supports which make U.S. sugar
    2X to 4X the world price. We would not have a domestic
    beet sugar industry without these price supports,
    and only a small cane sugar industry (mostly in P.R.).

    Sugar price supports have decimated the U.S. candy
    industry, with most of it moving to Canada and Mexico.

    You can't use HFCS to make most forms of candy, because
    it doesn't easily set up into a solid, unlike sucrose.
    However, HFCS is perfectly adaptable to liquid products
    like soda, so we have this weird situation in which
    sucrose is price-controlled at very high prices, but
    a new product (HFCS) makes an end-run around the price
    controls for the big cola companies. You have major
    interests supporting the continuation of price supports,
    and then other interests which support the loophole.

    Who gets screwed is the U.S. small- to mid-size candy
    manufacturers, and all U.S. candy manufacturers are
    small- to mid-size manufacturers compared to the cola
    companies.

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    enigma Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
    > peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
    > purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.


    corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
    as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
    a lab.
    lee

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >else I wanted to add it to.


    I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    cane sugar.


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
    >as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
    >a lab.


    Thanks! Many of us didn't know that.


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    Cheryl Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    "sf" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
    >>as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
    >>a lab.

    >
    > Thanks! Many of us didn't know that.
    >


    I've seen those ads, too, that Jill posted about and I didn't know the
    difference either.


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    George Cebulka Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    enigma wrote:
    > "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
    >> peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
    >> purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.

    >
    > corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
    > as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
    > a lab.
    > lee
    >

    Everthing your wanted to know about HFCS....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fr..._.22natural.22

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    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    > made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    > a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
    >
    > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    >
    > Jill


    It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
    to type II diabetes...

    They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.

    Food.
    --
    Peace! Om

    "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

  12. #12
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    jmcquown wrote:
    > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
    > warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
    > foods. I finally made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/
    > From that site there's a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
    >
    > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    >
    > Jill


    Interesting. And one would think with corn's use for ethanol (and
    I won't get into the wisdom of that), they wouldn't care so much
    about its use in food. *I* hope that as corn and HFCS become more
    expensive, manufacturers will turn back to sugar--or (gasp!) they
    could stop putting sweetener into everything. But, as I type
    this, I can see that the younger folks would think that is how the
    savory foods should taste, and they would be unhappy if they
    weren't sweet!!!!!

    --
    Jean B.

  13. #13
    Terry Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:

    >I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    >choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    >cane sugar.


    Hmm... IIRC white table sugar, whether from sugar beets or sugarcane,
    is >96% sucrose, though the two can be distinguished by careful lab
    tests. (Probably not by me, it's been too many years since I did any
    real analytical chemistry...)

    I'm not saying beet sugar is better or worse than cane sugar, just
    wondering the basis of a claim that one is better/worse than the
    other.

    Molasses from the two apparently are significantly different.

    Best -- Terry

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:

    > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >>I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >>else I wanted to add it to.

    >
    > I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    > choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    > cane sugar.


    good luck with that.

    your pal,
    blake

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:28:45 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

    > aem wrote:
    >>
    >> On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    >>> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    >>> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    >>> a link towww.HFCSfacts.com
    >>>
    >>> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    >>> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    >>>

    >> Fight back? Against what? They have never ever before made as much
    >> as they're making right now. Who should be fighting back are those
    >> who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
    >> be made into ethanol. -aem

    >
    > It's sugar price supports which make U.S. sugar
    > 2X to 4X the world price. We would not have a domestic
    > beet sugar industry without these price supports,
    > and only a small cane sugar industry (mostly in P.R.).
    >
    > Sugar price supports have decimated the U.S. candy
    > industry, with most of it moving to Canada and Mexico.
    >
    > You can't use HFCS to make most forms of candy, because
    > it doesn't easily set up into a solid, unlike sucrose.
    > However, HFCS is perfectly adaptable to liquid products
    > like soda, so we have this weird situation in which
    > sucrose is price-controlled at very high prices, but
    > a new product (HFCS) makes an end-run around the price
    > controls for the big cola companies. You have major
    > interests supporting the continuation of price supports,
    > and then other interests which support the loophole.
    >
    > Who gets screwed is the U.S. small- to mid-size candy
    > manufacturers, and all U.S. candy manufacturers are
    > small- to mid-size manufacturers compared to the cola
    > companies.


    and to a lesser extent, individual consumers who buy sugar. it's kind of a
    classic scam; rip off millions of people for just a few cents, and they
    won't really notice enough to mind. but for the folks collecting those
    cents, it's pretty good money.

    your pal,
    blake

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:48:35 -0500, Omelet wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
    >> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods. I finally
    >> made note of the URL: http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
    >> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com
    >>
    >> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
    >> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN!
    >>
    >> Jill

    >
    > It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
    > to type II diabetes...
    >
    > They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.
    >
    > Food.


    don't you mean 'whisky'?

    your pal,
    blake



  17. #17
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    blake murphy wrote:
    > On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >>> else I wanted to add it to.

    >> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    >> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    >> cane sugar.

    >
    > good luck with that.
    >


    How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
    of beet sugar?


    --
    Janet Wilder
    Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
    Good Friends. Good Life

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >blake murphy wrote:
    >> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >>>> else I wanted to add it to.
    >>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    >>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    >>> cane sugar.

    >>
    >> good luck with that.
    >>

    >
    >How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
    >of beet sugar?


    Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
    can bet money it's really beet sugar.




    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

  19. #19
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:51 -0700, sf wrote:

    >On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>blake murphy wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
    >>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    >>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    >>>> cane sugar.
    >>>
    >>> good luck with that.
    >>>

    >>
    >>How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
    >>of beet sugar?

    >
    >Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
    >can bet money it's really beet sugar.
    >
    >


    Hot off the presses:

    "As the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned many cane sugar companies
    switch between processes and the processes are not indicated on the
    bag. And if you were to purchase a bag of sugar in a western state, it
    is most likely to be beet sugar whereas in the southeast it is most
    likely to be cane sugar (thus the advertisement of pure cane sugar on
    the bag). This can be problematic to those wishing to make a specific
    purchase."


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

  20. #20
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

    sf wrote:
    > On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:41:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> blake murphy wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
    >>>>> I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
    >>>>> else I wanted to add it to.
    >>>> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
    >>>> choose to add it. I also don't want beet sugar in my food. I want
    >>>> cane sugar.
    >>> good luck with that.
    >>>

    >> How does one know if the "sugar" in the ingredients list is cane sugar
    >> of beet sugar?

    >
    > Cane sugar is listed as "pure cane sugar". If it's not specific, you
    > can bet money it's really beet sugar.


    Thanks.

    Next question: If the beet sugar is mixed with other stuff, is there
    still a taste difference?

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
    Good Friends. Good Life

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