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  1. #1
    Ophelia Guest

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    I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe

    Absolutely terrifying


    http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA


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    John Kuthe Guest

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    On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >
    >Absolutely terrifying
    >
    >
    >http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news
    >
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA
    >
    >
    >--


    Yep! That'as a LOTTA rain really fast. Best to stay away from that
    fast moving water if you don't know what you are doing. I saw a video
    of some crazy kayayers acrtually kayakiing a flooded Boulder Creek:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD817QzDW8

    The spectator commebnts at about 3:00 about how to get OUT of the
    creek would be my crucial consideration. The kayaker does surf the
    standing wave pretty well, but then WHEN blown off the wave gets
    washed down VERY fast!

    When you know what you are doing in a kayak (like this guy evidently
    does) it's awfully tempting to get out and boat the flood. Hope this
    kayaker was OK. He probably was.

    John Kuthe...


  3. #3
    notbob Guest

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    On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >
    > Absolutely terrifying



    I posted this yesterday in another group:

    -------------

    Yet, the south-eastern corner of CO is still suffering "extreme" (D3)
    level drought conditions, as did most of the state one year ago. I'm
    in the headwaters of the Arkansas R valley, dead center in the CO
    Rockies, and the river has risen a little over seven inches in the
    last 24hrs. Far from crisis levels. Not even Spring runoff levels.
    Fifty percent chance (almost certain) of more rain today and tomorrow.
    We need it, badly.

    http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/monitor.htm
    http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?site_no=07091200

    I live about 50 ft from river, but am about 50 above it, so no
    problem, here. Unfortunate for N CO, but flash floods after a drought
    are pretty common.

    --------------

    Today:

    I'm about 225 mi southwest of Longmont and Lyons, among the hardest
    hit areas in CO. Also, the predicted heavy rains for this weekend
    have yet to materialize, so worse flooding has been avoided and water
    levels are dropping, but damage to roads and houses are severe in some
    areas, like around Boulder.

    Most of that effected area are on the so called Front Range, where the
    Rockies literally drop down from 10K+ ft on the board flat CO Plains.
    It's like a gigantic water slide dumping tons of water onto a flat
    parking lot. Lotta water emptying out on a flat surface with no more
    incline and no place to go, so the water slows down and backs up.

    The people shown crossing that bridge in Longmont are jes plain
    stupid, including that idiot policeman in his patrol car. I'd say
    that bridge is about a gnat's ass away from being washed away and ppl
    should not be anywhere near it!

    nb

  4. #4
    Ophelia Guest

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    "notbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >>
    >> Absolutely terrifying

    >
    >
    > I posted this yesterday in another group:
    >
    > -------------
    >
    > Yet, the south-eastern corner of CO is still suffering "extreme" (D3)
    > level drought conditions, as did most of the state one year ago. I'm
    > in the headwaters of the Arkansas R valley, dead center in the CO
    > Rockies, and the river has risen a little over seven inches in the
    > last 24hrs. Far from crisis levels. Not even Spring runoff levels.
    > Fifty percent chance (almost certain) of more rain today and tomorrow.
    > We need it, badly.
    >
    > http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/monitor.htm
    > http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?site_no=07091200
    >
    > I live about 50 ft from river, but am about 50 above it, so no
    > problem, here. Unfortunate for N CO, but flash floods after a drought
    > are pretty common.
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > Today:
    >
    > I'm about 225 mi southwest of Longmont and Lyons, among the hardest
    > hit areas in CO. Also, the predicted heavy rains for this weekend
    > have yet to materialize, so worse flooding has been avoided and water
    > levels are dropping, but damage to roads and houses are severe in some
    > areas, like around Boulder.
    >
    > Most of that effected area are on the so called Front Range, where the
    > Rockies literally drop down from 10K+ ft on the board flat CO Plains.
    > It's like a gigantic water slide dumping tons of water onto a flat
    > parking lot. Lotta water emptying out on a flat surface with no more
    > incline and no place to go, so the water slows down and backs up.
    >
    > The people shown crossing that bridge in Longmont are jes plain
    > stupid, including that idiot policeman in his patrol car. I'd say
    > that bridge is about a gnat's ass away from being washed away and ppl
    > should not be anywhere near it!


    Thanks, Bob. Your report has been passed on.

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    Ophelia Guest

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    "John Kuthe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >>
    >>Absolutely terrifying
    >>
    >>
    >>http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news
    >>
    >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA
    >>
    >>
    >>--

    >
    > Yep! That'as a LOTTA rain really fast. Best to stay away from that
    > fast moving water if you don't know what you are doing. I saw a video
    > of some crazy kayayers acrtually kayakiing a flooded Boulder Creek:
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD817QzDW8
    >
    > The spectator commebnts at about 3:00 about how to get OUT of the
    > creek would be my crucial consideration. The kayaker does surf the
    > standing wave pretty well, but then WHEN blown off the wave gets
    > washed down VERY fast!
    >
    > When you know what you are doing in a kayak (like this guy evidently
    > does) it's awfully tempting to get out and boat the flood. Hope this
    > kayaker was OK. He probably was.


    Crazy

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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:17:57 -0500, John Kuthe <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >>
    >>Absolutely terrifying
    >>
    >>
    >>http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news
    >>
    >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA
    >>
    >>
    >>--

    >
    >Yep! That'as a LOTTA rain really fast. Best to stay away from that
    >fast moving water if you don't know what you are doing. I saw a video
    >of some crazy kayayers acrtually kayakiing a flooded Boulder Creek:
    >
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD817QzDW8


    The problem with the kayak is what is rushing along in the water,
    sizeable rocks, other debris, if that clonks his kayak hard, problem.

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    Christopher M. Guest

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    "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >
    > Absolutely terrifying


    Yes, I've been to Colorado. Beautiful place.

    It's not all rural as some people think. There's some beautiful old
    buildings, like the Hotel Boulderado (Boulder) and the Stanley Hotel (Estes
    Park).

    I hope this is just a 500-year flood and they're able to get things back to
    normal soon.

    Some things you have to watch out for are Mountain Lions, Bears, and crazy
    hippies that walk right out into the middle of the road. Also there's some
    scarey roads (on the sides of mountains). And Estes Park gets some weird
    weather. And there's this lady called Scarey Mary at the Stanley Hotel. I
    think she tries to read people's minds a little too much.


    W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)



  8. #8
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 2013-09-15 7:21 AM, notbob wrote:

    >
    > The people shown crossing that bridge in Longmont are jes plain
    > stupid, including that idiot policeman in his patrol car. I'd say
    > that bridge is about a gnat's ass away from being washed away and ppl
    > should not be anywhere near it!
    >
    >

    Glad to hear you are safe. I just got email from cousins in Longmont and
    they say they are about two miles from the flooding. I have
    recollection of most of the residential part of Longmont being quite flat.


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    Gary Guest

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    "Christopher M." wrote:
    >
    > "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    > >I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    > >
    > > Absolutely terrifying

    >
    > Yes, I've been to Colorado. Beautiful place.


    I lived there (Colorado Springs) for about 6 months. Nice country out
    there. Sad to hear about the flooding. Comes only recently following
    all the wild fires they had to deal with this summer.

    G.

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    Christopher M. Guest

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    "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > "Christopher M." wrote:
    >>
    >> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >> >I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >> >
    >> > Absolutely terrifying

    >>
    >> Yes, I've been to Colorado. Beautiful place.

    >
    > I lived there (Colorado Springs) for about 6 months. Nice country out
    > there. Sad to hear about the flooding. Comes only recently following
    > all the wild fires they had to deal with this summer.
    >
    > G.


    Yeah those fires are crazy. Too bad they didn't get the rain before the
    fires instead of after.


    W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)



  11. #11
    John Kuthe Guest

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    On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:40:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >"John Kuthe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >>>
    >>>Absolutely terrifying
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news
    >>>
    >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>--

    >>
    >> Yep! That'as a LOTTA rain really fast. Best to stay away from that
    >> fast moving water if you don't know what you are doing. I saw a video
    >> of some crazy kayayers acrtually kayakiing a flooded Boulder Creek:
    >>
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD817QzDW8
    >>
    >> The spectator commebnts at about 3:00 about how to get OUT of the
    >> creek would be my crucial consideration. The kayaker does surf the
    >> standing wave pretty well, but then WHEN blown off the wave gets
    >> washed down VERY fast!
    >>
    >> When you know what you are doing in a kayak (like this guy evidently
    >> does) it's awfully tempting to get out and boat the flood. Hope this
    >> kayaker was OK. He probably was.

    >
    >Crazy
    >
    >--


    There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    guaranteed easy exit point.

    John Kuthe...

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    Ophelia Guest

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    "John Kuthe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:40:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>"John Kuthe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>I hope no one here lives there and if they do they are safe
    >>>>
    >>>>Absolutely terrifying
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news
    >>>>
    >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HShXhJMQdA
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>--
    >>>
    >>> Yep! That'as a LOTTA rain really fast. Best to stay away from that
    >>> fast moving water if you don't know what you are doing. I saw a video
    >>> of some crazy kayayers acrtually kayakiing a flooded Boulder Creek:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD817QzDW8
    >>>
    >>> The spectator commebnts at about 3:00 about how to get OUT of the
    >>> creek would be my crucial consideration. The kayaker does surf the
    >>> standing wave pretty well, but then WHEN blown off the wave gets
    >>> washed down VERY fast!
    >>>
    >>> When you know what you are doing in a kayak (like this guy evidently
    >>> does) it's awfully tempting to get out and boat the flood. Hope this
    >>> kayaker was OK. He probably was.

    >>
    >>Crazy
    >>
    >>--

    >
    > There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    > water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    > guaranteed easy exit point.


    Too right!

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    notbob Guest

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    On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    >> water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    >> guaranteed easy exit point.

    >
    > Too right!


    The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested. I personally
    don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    workers. CO's biggest industry, other than beef, is river
    rafting/kayaking. Ppl die every year doing it. That's what it's all
    about. Dancing with death.

    nb

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    Ophelia Guest

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    "notbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    >>> water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    >>> guaranteed easy exit point.

    >>
    >> Too right!

    >
    > The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    > rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested. I personally
    > don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    > workers. CO's biggest industry, other than beef, is river
    > rafting/kayaking. Ppl die every year doing it. That's what it's all
    > about. Dancing with death.


    I guess that as the rescue workers are so overloaded they don't want to take
    chances on anything having to pull them away
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    notbob Guest

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    On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    > "notbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>
    >> The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    >> rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested. I personally
    >> don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    >> workers.


    > I guess that as the rescue workers are so overloaded they don't want to take
    > chances on anything having to pull them away


    Yep. That's what I was getting at. They got enough problems without
    causing more.

    nb

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    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 2013-09-15 2:55 PM, notbob wrote:

    >
    > The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    > rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested. I personally
    > don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    > workers. CO's biggest industry, other than beef, is river
    > rafting/kayaking. Ppl die every year doing it. That's what it's all
    > about. Dancing with death.


    I see no reason to arrest them. However....... if one of them good into
    trouble I would expect that the emergency response crews would be too
    busy attending to real emergencies. Let Darwin look after flood water
    rafters.
    On a related note, about a month and a half ago police intercepted a
    couple of guys who were planning to kayak over Niagara Falls. A couple
    weeks ago another guy was planning on trying it but smartened up and
    decided not to try.

  17. #17
    John Kuthe Guest

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    On 15 Sep 2013 18:55:45 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    >>> water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    >>> guaranteed easy exit point.

    >>
    >> Too right!

    >
    >The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    >rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested.


    Um, right! like extreme sports folks carea whole lot about if it's
    "legal" or not? Davey Hearn got chased off the Potomac river years ago
    when it flooded. The Potomac is his home river and he's an expert
    Olympic grade whitewater kayaker:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeCocPhJ6bY

    And I could not find the video, but the Police officer wading out in a
    shallow part of the river trying to grab Davey's boat slipped and fell
    in the water!! It was comical! Stupid and comical. Davey said at that
    level the river had waves and other features he just could not pass up
    so he risked it.

    These expert kayakers know a hell of a lot more than the official
    river rescue people about high water and the hazards and how to deal
    with them. And it pisses the officials off, becaose they are so full
    of their own egos they can't stand to think ANYONE knows morer them
    them!



    >I personally
    >don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    >workers. CO's biggest industry, other than beef, is river
    >rafting/kayaking. Ppl die every year doing it. That's what it's all
    >about. Dancing with death.
    >
    >nb


    Yeah, yeah,yeah. If YOUI'D do it, YOU'D be dancing with death. I'd be
    surfing, catching eddies, doing peelouts, ferries and eddy turns and
    having a great time! I've kayaked all whitewater sections of the
    Arkansas in CO, the Cache La Poudre, Boulder Creek, the Lake Fork and
    probably another whuitewater river or two out there I can't remember.
    Not the whole rivers but sections of them I felt comfortable to
    handle. And I have handled them! I've swam a few times and always got
    out unscathed and continied to kayak out there.


    John Kuthe...

  18. #18
    Janet Guest

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    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...
    >
    > On 2013-09-15, Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >> There's a fine line between crazy and stupid! I'd not put on that
    > >> water unlelss I KNEW it was a clear float for miles below, and a
    > >> guaranteed easy exit point.

    > >
    > > Too right!

    >
    > The CO governor came on TV this morning and declared anyone caught
    > rafting or kayaking the floodwaters would be arrested. I personally
    > don't understand it, except to take the heat off overworked rescue
    > workers. CO's biggest industry, other than beef, is river
    > rafting/kayaking. Ppl die every year doing it. That's what it's all
    > about. Dancing with death.


    Flood water is different; beaneath the surface it's often carrying
    innumerable bits of loose debris collected from onshore; highly
    dangerous to kayaks.

    Janet.

  19. #19
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 2013-09-15 5:46 PM, Janet wrote:

    > Flood water is different; beaneath the surface it's often carrying
    > innumerable bits of loose debris collected from onshore; highly
    > dangerous to kayaks.
    >

    You are right of course. You and I know that, and the kayakers should
    know it. I think that charging them is unnecessary. If they make it
    through the floodwaters there is no problem. If they have trouble....
    they are on their own. Bill the estate for the recovery of the bodies.


  20. #20
    notbob Guest

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    On 2013-09-15, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Flood water is different; beaneath the surface it's often carrying
    > innumerable bits of loose debris collected from onshore; highly
    > dangerous to kayaks.


    More dangerous than existing well-known hazards that can be as equally
    treacherous? I think not.

    Last Summer, we had a trained rafting guide die when she got sucked
    into a well known river hazard. So treacherous, took them 2 wks to
    fabricate a barrier and divert heavy river flow enough to get her body
    out. This after her body being down in this suck hole for over 30
    days. After the retrieval, the river was returned to it's natural
    state and that particularly onerous hazard still exists to this day.

    nb

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