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  1. #1
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Coconut Recipes

    Here you can fine some great coconut recipes http://www.coconutrecipes.co.uk

  2. #2
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > Here you can fine some great coconut recipes http://www.coconutrecipe.co.uk


    Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    you can eat. You'd be better off eating
    butter and cheese and fatty meats.

    This study blames the MUCH higher rate of
    cardiovascular mortality in Singapore as compared
    to Hong Kong on consumption of saturated fats
    including coconut oil.


    Eur J Epidemiol. 2001;17(5):469-77.
    Differences in all-cause, cardiovascular and
    cancer mortality between Hong Kong and Singapore:
    role of nutrition.
    Zhang J, Kesteloot H.
    Department of Epidemiology, School of Public
    Health, Catholic University of Leuven, Belgium.

    BACKGROUND: The majority of inhabitants in Hong Kong
    and Singapore are ethnic Chinese, but all-cause and
    cardiovascular mortality rates in these two regions
    are markedly different. This study describes
    differences in the magnitude and trends in mortality
    and attempts to explain these differences.

    METHODS: Data of mortality rates in 1963-1965 and
    1993-1995 in the age class of 45-74 years, dietary
    habits and other factors were compared between
    Hong Kong and Singapore using Japan, Spain and the USA
    as reference countries. Mortality and food consumption
    data were obtained from WHO and FAO, respectively.

    RESULTS: Large differences in all-cause and cardiovascular
    mortality exist between Hong Kong and Singapore. The
    difference in total cancer mortality was less consistent
    and smaller. The most pronounced finding was that ischemic
    heart disease mortality in 1993-1995 was 2.98 and 3.14 times
    higher in Singapore than in Hong Kong in men and women,
    respectively. Of the five countries considered, Singapore
    has the highest all-cause mortality in both sexes in the
    period of 1960-1995. The ratio of animal to vegetal fat
    was higher in Singapore (2.24) than in Hong Kong (1.08).
    Singapore had higher serum concentrations of total
    cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol
    than Hong Kong, but the opposite result was observed
    for high-density lipoprotein cholesterol.

    CONCLUSIONS: There are striking differences in all-cause
    and cardiovascular mortality between Hong Kong and
    Singapore. These differences can be most reasonably and
    plausibly explained by their differences in dietary
    habits, for example, a higher consumption of coconut and
    palm oil, mainly containing saturated fat, in Singapore.


    Coconut oil raises bad cholesterol more than
    beef fat!


    Am J Clin Nutr. 1985 Aug;42(2):190-7.
    Plasma lipid and lipoprotein response of humans
    to beef fat, coconut oil and safflower oil.
    Reiser R, Probstfield JL, Silvers A, Scott LW,
    Shorney ML, Wood RD, O'Brien BC, Gotto AM Jr,
    Insull W Jr.

    This study's purpose was to evaluate the fasting
    human plasma lipid and lipoprotein responses to
    dietary beef fat (BF) by comparison with coconut
    oil (CO) and safflower oil (SO), fats customarily
    classified as saturated and polyunsaturated.
    Nineteen free-living normolipidemic men aged
    25.6 +/- 3.5 yr consumed centrally-prepared
    lunches and dinners of common foods having 35%
    fat calories, 60% of which was the test fat.
    The test fats were isocalorically substituted,
    and each fed for five weeks in random sequences
    with intervening five weeks of habitual diets.
    Plasma total cholesterol (TC), high-density
    lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), and low-density
    lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) concentrations
    among individuals follows the same relative rank
    regardless of diet. Triglycerides (TG)
    concentrations among individuals also maintain
    their relative rank regardless of diet but in
    a different order from that of the cholesterols.
    Plasma TC, HDL-C, and LDL-C responses to BF were
    significantly lower and TG higher than to CO.
    As compared to SO, BF produced equivalent levels
    of TG, HDL-C, and LDL-C and marginally higher TC.
    Thus, the customary consideration of BF as
    "saturated" and grouping it with CO appears
    unwarranted.


    This study in a rat model for myocardial
    infarction (induced with a synthetic hormone)
    found omega-3 fatty acids to be protective
    against lipid peroxidation and cardiovascular
    death, while coconut oil raised indicators of
    damage to the heart muscle.


    J Nutr Biochem. 1999 Jun;10(6):338-44.
    Effect of saturated, omega-3 and omega-6
    polyunsaturated fatty acids on myocardial
    infarction.
    Nageswari K, Banerjee R, Menon VP.
    School of Biomedical Engineering, Indian
    Institute of Technology, Bombay, India.

    Dietary fatty acids have cholesterol lowering,
    antiatherogenic, and antiarrhythmic properties
    that decrease the risk of myocardial infarction (MI).
    This study was designed to study the effects of
    various oils rich in either polyunsaturated
    (omega-3 or omega-6) fatty acids (PUFA) or
    saturated fatty acids (SFA) on the severity of
    experimentally induced MI. Male albino Sprague-Dawley
    rats (100-150 g; n = 20) were fed diets enriched with
    fish oil (omega-3 PUFA), peanut oil (omega-6 PUFA),
    or coconut oil (SFA) for 60 days. Experimental MI was
    induced with isoproterenol. Mortality rates; serum
    enzymes aspartate amino transferase; alanine amino
    transferase; creatine phosphokinase (CPK); lipid
    profiles in serum, myocardium, and aorta; peroxide
    levels in heart and aorta; activities of catalase and
    superoxide dismutase; and levels of glutathione were
    measured. The results demonstrated that mortality rate,
    CPK levels, myocardial lipid peroxides, and glutathione
    levels were decreased in the omega-3 PUFA treated group.
    Maximum increase in parameters indicative of myocardial
    damage was seen in the coconut oil group. These findings
    suggest that dietary omega-3 PUFA offers maximum
    protection in experimentally induced MI in comparison
    to omega-6 PUFA and SFA enriched diets. SFA was found
    to have the least protective effect.

  3. #3
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    On Mon 20 Oct 2008 05:46:21p, Mark Thorson told us...

    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> Here you can fine some great coconut recipes
    >> http://www.coconutrecipe.co.uk

    >
    > Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    > you can eat. You'd be better off eating
    > butter and cheese and fatty meats.


    Mark, as usual, you go overboard on almost every commentary you make.
    There are many foods that people routinely include in their diet that are
    not particularly healthy. To be deadly, one would have to overindulge on
    a large scale. Some people do...they may die. Most people use and eat
    foods (especially those known to have some type of risk factor) in far more
    moderation. If I bake a fresh coconut cake once or twice a year, it's not
    going to kill anyone. If I use coconut oil or other coconut products in an
    occasional dish, that won't kill anyone either.

    Try being realistic for a change.

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    Wayne Boatwright
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    Dave Bell Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    Mark Thorson wrote:

    Snipping to simplify the findings:
    > The most pronounced finding was that ischemic
    > heart disease mortality was higher in Singapore than in Hong Kong.


    > The ratio of animal to vegetal fat
    > was higher in Singapore (2.24) than in Hong Kong (1.08).


    > CONCLUSIONS: There are striking differences in all-cause
    > and cardiovascular mortality between Hong Kong and
    > Singapore. These differences can be most reasonably and
    > plausibly explained by their differences in dietary
    > habits, for example, a higher consumption of coconut and
    > palm oil, mainly containing saturated fat, in Singapore.
    >
    >
    > Coconut oil raises bad cholesterol more than
    > beef fat!


    Huh?
    According to those findings, Singaporeans eat a higher ration of animal
    fat to vegetable fat than Hong Kong residents, and have a higher
    mortality due to ischemic heart disease.

    Where is the link that indicates that coconut fat - surely you agree
    it's a vegetable fat! - causes more heart disease? It rather looks the
    opposite: Hong Kong diet is higher in vegetable fat, lower in animal
    fat, and results in less heart disease.


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    cybercat Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!


    "Dave Bell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:uScLk.4797$[email protected]..
    > Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    > Snipping to simplify the findings:
    >> The most pronounced finding was that ischemic
    >> heart disease mortality was higher in Singapore than in Hong Kong.

    >
    >> The ratio of animal to vegetal fat
    >> was higher in Singapore (2.24) than in Hong Kong (1.08).

    >
    >> CONCLUSIONS: There are striking differences in all-cause
    >> and cardiovascular mortality between Hong Kong and
    >> Singapore. These differences can be most reasonably and
    >> plausibly explained by their differences in dietary
    >> habits, for example, a higher consumption of coconut and
    >> palm oil, mainly containing saturated fat, in Singapore.
    >>
    >>
    >> Coconut oil raises bad cholesterol more than
    >> beef fat!

    >
    > Huh?
    > According to those findings, Singaporeans eat a higher ration of animal
    > fat to vegetable fat than Hong Kong residents, and have a higher mortality
    > due to ischemic heart disease.
    >
    > Where is the link that indicates that coconut fat - surely you agree it's
    > a vegetable fat! - causes more heart disease? It rather looks the
    > opposite: Hong Kong diet is higher in vegetable fat, lower in animal fat,
    > and results in less heart disease.
    >


    No, because coconut oil is the only non-animal fat that is higher in
    saturated fat than beef.



  6. #6
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    In article <uScLk.4797$[email protected]>,
    Dave Bell <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    > Snipping to simplify the findings:
    > > The most pronounced finding was that ischemic
    > > heart disease mortality was higher in Singapore than in Hong Kong.

    >
    > > The ratio of animal to vegetal fat
    > > was higher in Singapore (2.24) than in Hong Kong (1.08).

    >
    > > CONCLUSIONS: There are striking differences in all-cause
    > > and cardiovascular mortality between Hong Kong and
    > > Singapore. These differences can be most reasonably and
    > > plausibly explained by their differences in dietary
    > > habits, for example, a higher consumption of coconut and
    > > palm oil, mainly containing saturated fat, in Singapore.
    > >
    > >
    > > Coconut oil raises bad cholesterol more than
    > > beef fat!

    >
    > Huh?


    Huh is right. I couldn't make any sense out of the originally quoted
    report.

    > According to those findings, Singaporeans eat a higher ration of animal
    > fat to vegetable fat than Hong Kong residents, and have a higher
    > mortality due to ischemic heart disease.


    I *think* that's what it said. And their conclusion was that the
    differences were due to a "higher consumption of coconut and palm oil"
    in Singapore?

    > Where is the link that indicates that coconut fat - surely you agree
    > it's a vegetable fat! - causes more heart disease? It rather looks the
    > opposite: Hong Kong diet is higher in vegetable fat, lower in animal
    > fat, and results in less heart disease.


    The link that I am familiar with, but couldn't find documented in the
    originally quoted report (although it's mentioned under "CONCLUSIONS"
    above), is that many people consider saturated fat to be a contributor
    to high cholesterol, which many people consider to be a contributor to
    cardiovascular problems (like heart attack and stroke).

    From this cite:

    http://www.nutristrategy.com/fatsoils.htm

    I find that coconut oil is 86% saturated fat, and lard is 40%. In
    comparison, canola oil is 7%.

    Thus, if you wish to reduce your saturated fat consumption, you should
    avoid coconut oil (and palm oil, at 49% saturated fat) like the plague.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    Mark Thorson wrote:

    > Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    > you can eat. You'd be better off eating
    > butter and cheese and fatty meats.


    So who eats nothing but coconut?
    You need to relax some of your fears of food, Mark.
    It can't be easy to worry so much.

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    Cindy Hamilton Guest

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    On Oct 20, 8:46*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > kalci...@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > Here you can fine some great coconut recipeshttp://www.coconutrecipe.co..uk

    >
    > Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    > you can eat. *You'd be better off eating
    > butter and cheese and fatty meats.


    Prime rib leftovers, re-heated in a little butter. On a white-bread
    sandwich
    with cheese. And bacon.

    Mmmmm.

    Cindy Hamilton

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    Felice Guest

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    "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@h[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Oct 20, 8:46 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > kalci...@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > Here you can fine some great coconut
    > > recipeshttp://www.coconutrecipe.co.uk

    >
    > Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    > you can eat. You'd be better off eating
    > butter and cheese and fatty meats.


    Prime rib leftovers, re-heated in a little butter. On a white-bread
    sandwich
    with cheese. And bacon.

    Mmmmm.

    Cindy Hamilton

    And coconut cake for dessert, thank you.

    Felice



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    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    > > Coconut is among the most unhealthful foods
    > > you can eat. You'd be better off eating
    > > butter and cheese and fatty meats.

    >
    > So who eats nothing but coconut?
    > You need to relax some of your fears of food, Mark.
    > It can't be easy to worry so much.


    Mark does seem to enjoy his role here as a fear monger. Still, he has
    some useful information.

    My sister is a bit of a health nut. She was a vegetarian for 13 years.
    She occasionally shops at those stores that sell nothing but vitamins
    and supplements, usually for a pretty penny (but their advice is free,
    unlike that from doctors).

    Last time I was there, she whipped out a bottle of coconut oil, and
    started to tell me how healthful it was. It was a little bottle, maybe
    4 ounces, and obviously came from One of Those Stores. Since it was
    food, it had a nutrition label. I got out my high-powered reading
    glasses, and pointed out to her that it was well over 80% saturated fat,
    which most experts consider the most unhealthy type of fat. Now, she
    only uses a tablespoon or so at a time, and maybe a couple of times a
    month. It has a lot of flavor and adds a lot to certain dishes. In
    that quantity, I can't imagine that it is much of a health hazard, but
    it still doesn't qualify as "healthy food" in my book.

    In some cuisines, and in some countries, there is a lot of coconut, and
    it is a major part of the diet.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

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    [email protected] Guest

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    thanks for the website! i love coconut! can't wait to try out a
    recipe

    as for the comments about coconut being deadly, even foods that are
    the healthiest can be consumed in moderation as part of a healthy
    diet. but i found something on whfoods.org (stands for world's
    healthiest foods) that suggests that coconut may actually have health
    benefits:

    "Recent studies are showing the health benefits of coconut oil, which
    had been looked upon as a source of saturated fats and therefore to be
    avoided for those individuals with concerns over their cholesterol
    levels.

    While it is true that coconut contains saturated fats, what is now
    being brought to light is that there are actually different types of
    saturated fats, just like there are different types of fats in
    general, and some types of saturated fats are good for you.

    A very traditional food, coconut oil is making a comeback these days
    as a popular cooking oil. Much of the saturated fat in coconuts is not
    long chain, but medium-chain fatty acids; in fact, coconut oil
    contains between approximately 55-65% 62% medium-chain fatty acids
    (MCFAs), including the healthy fats, lauric acid, caprylic acid, and
    capric acid. (Lauric acid is the most plentiful of the MCFAs in
    coconut oil, and sometimes accounts for as much as 75% of this oil's
    total MCFAs). MCFAs have been used for many years as dietary
    supplements in situations where absorption of nutrients needs
    improvement, including situations involving premature infants and
    adults with compromised bowel function. In some areas of the world
    where coconut oil is a regular component of the diet, the milk of
    nursing mothers is rich in MCFAs, and may be related to desirable
    health trends in later life.

    While the research points in this direction, there doesn't seem to be
    enough clinical research to conclusively state this at this point. I
    have also noticed that coconut oil is a very well promoted subject on
    the web, with many claims for its health benefits, notably for its
    antiviral activity. But from the research I have seen, many of these
    conclusions seem very preliminary given that there has not been that
    much research published on this subject and that which has been
    conducted has often been done on individual components of coconut oil.
    Yet, the research published to date suggests coconut oil is
    healthful."

    science says something new everyday...if you eat a variety of foods
    and exercise, you are probably pretty healthy. i'm not scared of
    coconut. i think i'm going to go make some oatmeal coconut
    muffins....yum!

  12. #12
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Coconut Recipes That KILL !!!

    "[email protected]" wrote:
    >
    > as for the comments about coconut being deadly, even foods that are
    > the healthiest can be consumed in moderation as part of a healthy
    > diet. but i found something on whfoods org (stands for world's
    > healthiest foods) that suggests that coconut may actually have health
    > benefits:
    >
    > "Recent studies are showing the health benefits of coconut oil, which
    > had been looked upon as a source of saturated fats and therefore to be
    > avoided for those individuals with concerns over their cholesterol
    > levels.


    But what studies are we talking about? I cited the
    studies which are powerful evidence against the
    safety of coconut oil. If you actually have studies
    which contradict that, cite them! A reference to
    unknown studies by an anonymous gmail poster is not
    evidence.

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