Thread: closed door broiling

On 2009-10-08, Jean B. <[email protected]> wrote:

> # Sabbath Mode Star-K Kosher Certified

I actually looked this up. Un....beeelievable.

nb

"Jean B." ha scritto nel messaggio
> Let's say that tonight you're preparing a little Italian cuisine.

They need to come over for some Italian cookery lessons, say I.


> You've just place the bruschetta into the oven on a baking sheet > to
> toast under the broil element, but, because you have to leave > the oven
> door slightly ajar while broiling, its difficult to reach > the sauce and
> pasta over the roaring heat lpouring out of the open oven door. Using the
> broiler on traditional ranges can be > frustrating and inconvenient.

1. Broiling is a second rate way of making bruschetta.
2. It's just this range, makes that point, actually, by saying it is
different from all other electric ranges.

On 2009-10-08, Giusi <[email protected]> wrote:

> 1. Broiling is a second rate way of making bruschetta.

What, pray tell, is the first rate way?

nb

"notbob" ha scritto nel messaggio

wrote:
>
>> 1. Broiling is a second rate way of making bruschetta.
>
> What, pray tell, is the first rate way?
>
> nb

Grill on one side over open flame. We have these cheap little metal things
we use on a gas burner or do them in the FP or on a grill. You should grill
only the top side that gets scraped with garlic.

Jean B. said...

> Maybe this is mainly a KitchenAid thing? Whatever it is, it is
> awful, and I will never get a KA oven again. (And I will make
> sure anything else I get operates in the correct manner!!!!)


When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly will
never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.

That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
much! ;-)

Andy

On 2009-10-08, Giusi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Grill on one side over open flame. We have these cheap little metal things
> we use on a gas burner or do them in the FP or on a grill. You should grill
> only the top side that gets scraped with garlic.

You mean I can't have my chèvre with dried tomatoes and fresh basil
over prosciutto browned?

nb

Giusi wrote:

> Grill on one side over open flame. We have these cheap little
metal
> things we use on a gas burner or do them in the FP or on a grill.
> You should grill only the top side that gets scraped with garlic.

Once I raised a quasi - riot in a tuscan town, Capalbio, by asking
in a pub if bruschette had to be grilled only on one side or both,
everyone had theyr version. Me, for example, brown both the sides of
the bread but add garlic, salt and oil only on one.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

On Oct 8, 8:56*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Jean B. said...
>
> > Maybe this is mainly a KitchenAid thing? *Whatever it is, it is
> > awful, and I will never get a KA oven again. *(And I will make
> > sure anything else I get operates in the correct manner!!!!)
>
> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly will
> never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>
> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
> much! ;-)
>
> Andy

"Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? I'm confused.

My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. My previous ovens
have always said to do so. I don't know which is correct, but since
the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
usually broil with it closed.

N.

Nancy2 said...

> On Oct 8, 8:56*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> Jean B. said...
>>
>> > Maybe this is mainly a KitchenAid thing? *Whatever it is, it is
>> > awful, and I will never get a KA oven again. *(And I will make
>> > sure anything else I get operates in the correct manner!!!!)
>>
>> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
>> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly
w
> ill
>> never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>>
>> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not
> so
>> much! ;-)
>>
>> Andy
>
> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? I'm confused.
>
> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. My previous ovens
> have always said to do so. I don't know which is correct, but since
> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
> usually broil with it closed.
>
> N.


Nancy2,

Right! I oops'd.

The temp sensor could overwork the heating element(s) to maintain the
correct temp if the inside heat could constantly escape.

Maybe let the finished dish rest inside with the door cracked open a bit to
conserve limited counter space??

Best,

Andy

On Oct 8, 11:05*am, Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:56*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>
> > Jean B. said...
>
> > > Maybe this is mainly a KitchenAid thing? *Whatever it is, it is
> > > awful, and I will never get a KA oven again. *(And I will make
> > > sure anything else I get operates in the correct manner!!!!)
>
> > When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
> > surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantlywill
> > never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>
> > That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
> > much! ;-)
>
> > Andy
>
> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? *I'm confused.
>
> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. *My previous ovens
> have always said to do so. *I don't know which is correct, but since
> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
> usually broil with it closed.


I'm glad you said this. My mother always left the door open but I
never understood why. But, dutiful daughter, I left it open until I
wondered why one day. It never did make sense to be heating the
kitchen just to broil something for a few minutes.

My booklet says nada too.

Wasn't there a poll on this a while back?

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:56:17 -0500, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Jean B. said...
>
>> Maybe this is mainly a KitchenAid thing? Whatever it is, it is
>> awful, and I will never get a KA oven again. (And I will make
>> sure anything else I get operates in the correct manner!!!!)
>
>
>When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
>surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly will
>never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>
>That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
>much! ;-)
>
>Andy

You're one of the Bozos... with a stove/range there is no temperature
setting in broil mode. In broil mode the thermostat is bypassed. The
element is either full on or full off. In broil mode the element
remains full on continuously. In bake mode the element cycles fully
on and fully off however often necessary to maintain the set bake
temperature. The element won't burn out quicker from being energized
whether in broil mode or bake mode... elements are self regulating by
wattage rating, same as a light bulb... they are not engineered to get
hotter and hotter until they self destruct.

Toaster ovens operate differently, their primary function is
supposedly to toast, so the element is typically controlled similarly
to an ordinary bread toaster, but with toaster ovens there are many,
many varieties, having all kinds of bells, whistles, and functions...
toaster ovens are multi use appliances, none of which performs nearly
as well as with a dedicated appliance... I've never seen a toaster
oven that toasts bread very well, because they only toast one side at
a time, and I've never seen one where one can set the degree of
doneness... I know of no toaster oven that's worthwhile having for any
reason whatsoever. Anytime I'm in a kitchen where there is a toaster
oven present I know that nobody cooks there.

brooklyn1 said...

> Anytime I'm in a kitchen where there is a toaster
> oven present I know that nobody cooks there.


LOLOL!!!

Andy

Giusi wrote:
> "Jean B." ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Let's say that tonight you're preparing a little Italian cuisine.
>
> They need to come over for some Italian cookery lessons, say I.
>
>
>> You've just place the bruschetta into the oven on a baking sheet > to
>> toast under the broil element, but, because you have to leave > the oven
>> door slightly ajar while broiling, its difficult to reach > the sauce and
>> pasta over the roaring heat lpouring out of the open oven door. Using the
>> broiler on traditional ranges can be > frustrating and inconvenient.
>
> 1. Broiling is a second rate way of making bruschetta.
> 2. It's just this range, makes that point, actually, by saying it is
> different from all other electric ranges.
>
>
Well, this seems to apply to at least many and perhaps all of the
KA ovens.

Funny about the bruschetta!

--
Jean B.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:56 am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
>> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly will
>> never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>>
>> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
>> much! ;-)
>>
>> Andy
>
> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? I'm confused.
>
> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. My previous ovens
> have always said to do so. I don't know which is correct, but since
> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
> usually broil with it closed.
>
> N.

Oh come on (speaking through you to Andy)! You don't have much
experience with electric ovens, I guess. EVERY electric oven I
have had before this one had open-door broiling. That is the
norm. (My KA is aberrant and despicable in this regard.) And I
never burnt out an element.

--
Jean B.

On Thu 08 Oct 2009 11:00:04a, Jean B. told us...

> Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 8:56 am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
>>> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor
>>> constantly will never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp
>>> setting.
>>>
>>> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos,
>>> not so much! ;-)
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? I'm confused.
>>
>> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
>> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. My previous ovens
>> have always said to do so. I don't know which is correct, but since
>> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
>> usually broil with it closed.
>>
>> N.
>
> Oh come on (speaking through you to Andy)! You don't have much
> experience with electric ovens, I guess. EVERY electric oven I
> have had before this one had open-door broiling. That is the
> norm. (My KA is aberrant and despicable in this regard.) And I
> never burnt out an element.
>

My Whirlpool range recommends closed door broiling, although it doesn't
turn off the heating elements if you open the door.

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

************************************************** ********

Wayne Boatwright

> Oh come on (speaking through you to Andy)! *You don't have much
> experience with electric ovens, I guess. *EVERY electric oven I
> have had before this one had open-door broiling. *That is the
> norm. *(My KA is aberrant and despicable in this regard.) *And I
> never burnt out an element.
>
> --
> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


So have mine, Jean - but since the new Westinghouse doesn't say
specifically to broil with the door open a crack, I don't do it. If
they want people to crack the door while broiling, they will put it in
big IMPORTANT letters in the directions.

N.

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:00:04 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 8:56 am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
>>> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor constantly will
>>> never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp setting.
>>>
>>> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos, not so
>>> much! ;-)
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? I'm confused.
>>
>> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
>> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. My previous ovens
>> have always said to do so. I don't know which is correct, but since
>> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
>> usually broil with it closed.
>>
>> N.
>
>Oh come on (speaking through you to Andy)! You don't have much
>experience with electric ovens, I guess. EVERY electric oven I
>have had before this one had open-door broiling. That is the
>norm. (My KA is aberrant and despicable in this regard.) And I
>never burnt out an element.

Even gas ovens require the door be cracked open when broiling.

Do you actually believe she's telling the truth... do you actually
believe her stove's owner's manual doesn't indicate to leave the oven
door cracked open in the *detent*? Even a lying dingbat will know
five minutes after putting food under the broiler that something is
terribly wrong if they didn't leave the door cracked open... even if
they can't read... the entire house will fill with smoke, the
neighbors will call 911.

I don't give a rat's B-hind what kinda cooking appliance, even a
toaster oven, when broiling the door must be cracked open.

Go here:
http://www.white-westinghouse.com/do...06KW_om_en.pdf

Scroll to pg. 12.
Read broiling instructions.
For those who cannot read... THERE'S A ****ING PICTURE!!! LOL LOL LOL
Even reminds again in the Troubleshooting section. hehehe

Friggin' LYING imbeciles... the most cooking they do is bowl o'
cornflakes.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

I've never seen a toaster
> oven that toasts bread very well, because they only toast one side at
> a time, and I've never seen one where one can set the degree of
> doneness... I know of no toaster oven that's worthwhile having for any
> reason whatsoever. *Anytime I'm in a kitchen where there is a toaster
> oven present I know that nobody cooks there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My toaster-oven toasts both sides simultaneously (by means of a
reflective surface on the inside top) and the degree of toasting
(browning) can be infinitely adjustable with the dial.

I use my toaster oven for toasting bread and for baking frozen
prepared foods, like crispy French fries. It's fast, easy, accurate,
and doesn't mess up any appliance or my stove top, which is really
nice when it's just one person's portion.

N.

On Oct 8, 2:15*pm, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@arizona.usa.com>
wrote:
> On Thu 08 Oct 2009 11:00:04a, Jean B. told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> >> On Oct 8, 8:56 am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>> When temperature sensors measure heat, leaving an oven door open is a
> >>> surefire way to burn out the electric elements as the sensor
> >>> constantly will never "over-strive" to achieve the requested temp
> >>> setting.
>
> >>> That should've been plainly obvious to all the rfc brainiacs. Bozos,
> >>> not so much! ;-)
>
> >>> Andy
>
> >> "Never" overstrive, or always overstrive? *I'm confused.
>
> >> My new electric Westinghouse oven doesn't say in the directions
> >> anywhere, to leave the door open during broiling. *My previous ovens
> >> have always said to do so. *I don't know which is correct, but since
> >> the direction booklet doesn't say to leave the door open a crack, I
> >> usually broil with it closed.
>
> >> N.
>
> > Oh come on (speaking through you to Andy)! *You don't have much
> > experience with electric ovens, I guess. *EVERY electric oven I
> > have had before this one had open-door broiling. *That is the
> > norm. *(My KA is aberrant and despicable in this regard.) *And I
> > never burnt out an element.
>
> My Whirlpool range recommends closed door broiling, although it doesn't
> turn off the heating elements if you open the door.
>
> --
>

Oops, my bad - my new oven is a Whirlpool, not Westinghouse - W'house
was my last one.

N.