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    Steve Freides Guest

    Default Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.

    I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
    a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.

    Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.

    -S-



  2. #2
    ImStillMags Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >
    > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
    > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >
    > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
    > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    >
    > -S-


    Grass fed would be the number one choice for me, always.


  3. #3
    ImStillMags Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >
    > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
    > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >
    > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
    > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    >
    > -S-


    Here is an excellent article.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD

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    Helpful person Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >
    > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
    > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >
    > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
    > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    >
    > -S-


    The final test is if you like the taste and texture of what you buy.
    Some mass produced cheese tastes excellent and some artisan cheese is
    not too good. That said, if you wish to sample a superior British
    cheese, then anything distributed by Neal's Yard Dairy (although not
    cheap) is going to be very good.

    http://www.richardfisher.com

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    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    On Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
    > I&#39;d like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > versus &#39;artisanal&#39; cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > that aren&#39;t specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >
    > I&#39;ve been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > Trader Joe&#39;s - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
    > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >
    > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.


    Grass fed is about healthfulness. Raw milk is about taste.
    >
    > -S-


    --Bryan

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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > On Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
    > > I&#39;d like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > > versus &#39;artisanal&#39; cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > > that aren&#39;t specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    > >
    > > I&#39;ve been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > > Trader Joe&#39;s - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
    > > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    > >
    > > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    > > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.

    >
    > Grass fed is about healthfulness. Raw milk is about taste.


    You've got that backwards. The feed makes a big impact
    on flavor, so grass fed is about taste.

    Raw milk, on the other hand, is about a modern health cult
    that ascribes special properties to raw milk, properties
    which are killed by pasteurization. This belief system is
    derisively known as "vitalism" among scientists and
    practitioners of evidence-based medicine. Sometimes the
    cultists attempt to apply a patina of rationality to their
    beliefs by saying it's enzymes in the milk which are killed
    by pasteurization, but any enzymes in milk would be
    deactivated and broken down in the process of digestion.

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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    ImStillMags wrote:
    >
    > On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    > > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    > >
    > > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
    > > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    > >
    > > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    > > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    > >
    > > -S-

    >
    > Here is an excellent article.
    >
    > http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD


    No, it's not. The author is a health nut, in this case
    an advocate of a "paleo" diet. That diet is just the most
    recent wacky fad. I suppose it makes sense for vegans
    who want to eat meat. It's strict like a vegan diet,
    but you get to eat meat. Hmmm . . . if somebody could
    clone one of those wooly mammoths they find every now and
    then frozen in Siberia, you could sell mammoth meat to
    these people. "You're not really doing the paleo diet
    if you're eating beef!"

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    Steve Freides Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    Helpful person wrote:
    > On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    >> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
    >> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
    >> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
    >> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >>
    >> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    >> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
    >> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
    >> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >>
    >> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    >> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    >>
    >> -S-

    >
    > The final test is if you like the taste and texture of what you buy.
    > Some mass produced cheese tastes excellent and some artisan cheese is
    > not too good. That said, if you wish to sample a superior British
    > cheese, then anything distributed by Neal's Yard Dairy (although not
    > cheap) is going to be very good.
    >
    > http://www.richardfisher.com


    I don't agree. The final test is the combination of how good it is for
    you and how well you like the taste, texture, etc., otherwise I'd be
    living on hot fudge sundaes.

    -S-



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    Steve Freides Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    ImStillMags wrote:
    > On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
    >> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
    >> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
    >> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
    >> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
    >>
    >> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    >> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
    >> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
    >> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >>
    >> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    >> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
    >>
    >> -S-

    >
    > Here is an excellent article.
    >
    > http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD


    Thanks.

    -S-



  10. #10
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    On 21/07/2012 1:05 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
    > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
    > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
    > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
    > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.



    Why? Are grass fed and raw milk mutually exclusive? Raw milk just means
    that it has not been pasteurized. Milk from grass fed cows can be
    pasteurized.



    > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
    > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
    > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >
    > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.


    I like cheese, but being lactose intolerant, and being on a cardiac
    diet, I am not supposed to eat soft cheeses. I do occasionally have a
    little. I have to say that some of my favourite cheeses are raw milk
    cheeses. Some of the locally made versions of things like Brie and
    Parmesan just don't have the flavour that the real stuff has.




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    Steve Freides Guest

    Default Re: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

    Dave Smith wrote:
    > On 21/07/2012 1:05 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
    >> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
    >> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
    >> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
    >> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.

    >
    >
    > Why? Are grass fed and raw milk mutually exclusive? Raw milk just
    > means that it has not been pasteurized. Milk from grass fed cows can
    > be pasteurized.


    They are apparently mutually exclusive where I live and/or in the stores
    at which I shop - I have yet to find a sharp/extra-sharp cheddar cheese
    that's both. That's why I asked.

    >> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
    >> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
    >> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
    >> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
    >>
    >> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
    >> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.

    >
    > I like cheese, but being lactose intolerant, and being on a cardiac
    > diet, I am not supposed to eat soft cheeses. I do occasionally have a
    > little. I have to say that some of my favourite cheeses are raw milk
    > cheeses. Some of the locally made versions of things like Brie and
    > Parmesan just don't have the flavour that the real stuff has.


    The raw milk, extra-sharp cheddar from Whole Foods, on sale for
    $8/pound, tastes fantastic.

    -S-



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