Thread: Cheese - Raw Milk vs. Grass-Fed vs. ...

On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>
> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
> a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>
> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>
> -S-

Grass fed would be the number one choice for me, always.

On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>
> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
> a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>
> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>
> -S-

Here is an excellent article.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD

On Jul 21, 10:05*am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>
> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. *Today, I picked up
> a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>
> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. *Cheese is a
> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>
> -S-

The final test is if you like the taste and texture of what you buy.
Some mass produced cheese tastes excellent and some artisan cheese is
not too good. That said, if you wish to sample a superior British
cheese, then anything distributed by Neal's Yard Dairy (although not
cheap) is going to be very good.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
> I&#39;d like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> versus &#39;artisanal&#39; cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> that aren&#39;t specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>
> I&#39;ve been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> Trader Joe&#39;s - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
> a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>
> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.

Grass fed is about healthfulness. Raw milk is about taste.
>
> -S-

--Bryan

[email protected] wrote:
>
> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
> > I&#39;d like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> > versus &#39;artisanal&#39; cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> > that aren&#39;t specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
> >
> > I&#39;ve been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> > Trader Joe&#39;s - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
> > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
> >
> > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
> > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>
> Grass fed is about healthfulness. Raw milk is about taste.

You've got that backwards. The feed makes a big impact
on flavor, so grass fed is about taste.

Raw milk, on the other hand, is about a modern health cult
that ascribes special properties to raw milk, properties
which are killed by pasteurization. This belief system is
derisively known as "vitalism" among scientists and
practitioners of evidence-based medicine. Sometimes the
cultists attempt to apply a patina of rationality to their
beliefs by saying it's enzymes in the milk which are killed
by pasteurization, but any enzymes in milk would be
deactivated and broken down in the process of digestion.

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> > cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> > versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> > that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
> >
> > I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> > Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
> > a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> > but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
> >
> > Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
> > staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
> >
> > -S-
>
> Here is an excellent article.
>
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD

No, it's not. The author is a health nut, in this case
an advocate of a "paleo" diet. That diet is just the most
recent wacky fad. I suppose it makes sense for vegans
who want to eat meat. It's strict like a vegan diet,
but you get to eat meat. Hmmm . . . if somebody could
clone one of those wooly mammoths they find every now and
then frozen in Siberia, you could sell mammoth meat to
these people. "You're not really doing the paleo diet
if you're eating beef!"

Helpful person wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
>> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
>> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
>> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>>
>> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
>> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
>> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
>> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>>
>> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
>> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>>
>> -S-
>
> The final test is if you like the taste and texture of what you buy.
> Some mass produced cheese tastes excellent and some artisan cheese is
> not too good. That said, if you wish to sample a superior British
> cheese, then anything distributed by Neal's Yard Dairy (although not
> cheap) is going to be very good.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

I don't agree. The final test is the combination of how good it is for
you and how well you like the taste, texture, etc., otherwise I'd be
living on hot fudge sundaes.

-S-

ImStillMags wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:05 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
>> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
>> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
>> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>>
>> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
>> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
>> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
>> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>>
>> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
>> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Here is an excellent article.
>
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chees...#axzz21HTTEtCD

Thanks.

-S-

On 21/07/2012 1:05 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw milk
> cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store cheese
> versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in Whole Foods
> that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.


Why? Are grass fed and raw milk mutually exclusive? Raw milk just means
that it has not been pasteurized. Milk from grass fed cows can be
pasteurized.



> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked up
> a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed cattle
> but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>
> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.

I like cheese, but being lactose intolerant, and being on a cardiac
diet, I am not supposed to eat soft cheeses. I do occasionally have a
little. I have to say that some of my favourite cheeses are raw milk
cheeses. Some of the locally made versions of things like Brie and
Parmesan just don't have the flavour that the real stuff has.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 21/07/2012 1:05 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> I'd like to hear opinions on what one gains or loses by eating raw
>> milk cheese versus grass-fed cheese versus plain old, grocery store
>> cheese versus 'artisanal' cheese like the kind one might find in
>> Whole Foods that aren't specifically marked as grass-fed or raw milk.
>
>
> Why? Are grass fed and raw milk mutually exclusive? Raw milk just
> means that it has not been pasteurized. Milk from grass fed cows can
> be pasteurized.

They are apparently mutually exclusive where I live and/or in the stores
at which I shop - I have yet to find a sharp/extra-sharp cheddar cheese
that's both. That's why I asked.

>> I've been mostly eating a grass-fed cheddar from New Zealand I buy at
>> Trader Joe's - I figure grass-fed cattle is better. Today, I picked
>> up a raw milk cheese at Whole Foods, presumably not from grass-fed
>> cattle but from the raw milk of grain-fed cattle.
>>
>> Too many choices and not enough good information for me. Cheese is a
>> staple of my diet, and both the above example were sharp cheddars.
>
> I like cheese, but being lactose intolerant, and being on a cardiac
> diet, I am not supposed to eat soft cheeses. I do occasionally have a
> little. I have to say that some of my favourite cheeses are raw milk
> cheeses. Some of the locally made versions of things like Brie and
> Parmesan just don't have the flavour that the real stuff has.

The raw milk, extra-sharp cheddar from Whole Foods, on sale for
$8/pound, tastes fantastic.

-S-