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  1. #1
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:25:58 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

    > A new study from UC Riverside.
    >
    > http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896
    >
    > They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    > Major omission, I'd say.


    "an 18-wheeler diesel-engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on
    the freeway to put out the same mass of particles as a single
    charbroiled hamburger patty"

    Why do I think this study is seriously flawed? It's full of ****.

    -sw

  2. #2
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    A new study from UC Riverside.

    http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896

    They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    Major omission, I'd say.

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    Michael OConnor Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    These types of studies, one of the conclusions they always push at the
    end of the research paper, is that one way to avoid this is for
    everybody to go Vegan.

  4. #4
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael OConnor wrote:

    > These types of studies, one of the conclusions they always push at the
    > end of the research paper, is that one way to avoid this is for
    > everybody to go Vegan.


    This one ended with a sales pitch and press release for a device to
    help clean that burger-infested air. Which THEY developed, of course.

    -sw

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    Christopher Helms Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    On Sep 19, 8:09*pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
    > On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:25:58 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
    > > A new study from UC Riverside.

    >
    > >http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896

    >
    > > They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    > > Major omission, I'd say.

    >
    > "an 18-wheeler diesel-engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on
    > the freeway to put out the same mass of particles as a single
    > charbroiled hamburger patty"
    >
    > Why do I think this study is seriously flawed? *It's full of ****.
    >
    > -sw



    In their defense, we got hold of some really ****ty burger patties a
    couple years back that sent up an ungodly big plume of smoke, dripped
    enough fat on the charcoal start a very respectable fire and might
    actually have given an eighteen wheeler a run for its money in the
    pollution department. Never go cheap on the patties.

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    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks


    Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    > On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:25:58 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    > > A new study from UC Riverside.
    > >
    > > http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896
    > >
    > > They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    > > Major omission, I'd say.

    >
    > "an 18-wheeler diesel-engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on
    > the freeway to put out the same mass of particles as a single
    > charbroiled hamburger patty"
    >
    > Why do I think this study is seriously flawed? It's full of ****.


    OTR trucks have been running diesel particulate filters for a number of
    years now, so compared with one of those trucks it may well be
    technically true. Of course whether particulate emissions from cooking
    burgers are an issue or not is certainly not proven, even particulate
    emissions from diesel engines have never been proven to be an issue as
    they are essentially just carbon.

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:43:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

    > Sqwertz wrote:
    >>
    >> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:25:58 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >>
    >>> A new study from UC Riverside.
    >>>
    >>> http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896
    >>>
    >>> They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    >>> Major omission, I'd say.

    >>
    >> "an 18-wheeler diesel-engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on
    >> the freeway to put out the same mass of particles as a single
    >> charbroiled hamburger patty"
    >>
    >> Why do I think this study is seriously flawed? It's full of ****.

    >
    > OTR trucks have been running diesel particulate filters for a number of
    > years now, so compared with one of those trucks it may well be
    > technically true. Of course whether particulate emissions from cooking
    > burgers are an issue or not is certainly not proven, even particulate
    > emissions from diesel engines have never been proven to be an issue as
    > they are essentially just carbon.


    That's something the "study" doesn't mention, is that the exhaust
    coming from (SOME!) 18-wheelers is already scrubbed, and it's probably
    assuming those scrubbers are working at their absolute peak
    performance rather than actual effectiveness. I've seen some 18
    wheelers that when started still give off quote a lot of noxious black
    smoke. Without having to drive 146 miles.

    The article was just dredging up some 5 year old report so they could
    promote their new burger vapor minimizer dohickey. Typical media
    manipulation to baffle the masses.

    -sw

  8. #8
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    Christopher Helms wrote:
    >
    > In their defense, we got hold of some really ****ty burger patties a
    > couple years back that sent up an ungodly big plume of smoke, dripped
    > enough fat on the charcoal start a very respectable fire and might
    > actually have given an eighteen wheeler a run for its money in the
    > pollution department. Never go cheap on the patties.


    It was probably ALL BEEF, just like PINK SLIME.

  9. #9
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks


    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >A new study from UC Riverside.
    >
    > http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/8896
    >
    > They didn't look at refried beans, however.
    > Major omission, I'd say.


    You mean emission.

    Paul



  10. #10
    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: Charbroiled Burgers Worse Air Pollution Than 18-Wheeler Trucks

    Pete C. wrote:
    > Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    >> "an 18-wheeler diesel-engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on
    >> the freeway to put out the same mass of particles as a single
    >> charbroiled hamburger patty"
    >>
    >> Why do I think this study is seriously flawed? It's full of ****.

    >
    > OTR trucks have been running diesel particulate filters for a number of
    > years now, so compared with one of those trucks it may well be
    > technically true. Of course whether particulate emissions from cooking
    > burgers are an issue or not is certainly not proven, even particulate
    > emissions from diesel engines have never been proven to be an issue as
    > they are essentially just carbon.


    Restaurants have grease filters. This article is an observation that
    the ones used by restaurants aren't very good. Anyone who's gone past a
    burger place at peak hour has known that for a long time.

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