Thread: The Catkins Diet

"Bryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
cat food that is much lower in carbs.
I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
"induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.


Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
They need meat.

Paul

On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
>
>
> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
> They need meat.

Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would
simply be too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods
have a higher proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.

By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that
cause sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their
cat food. Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they
improve.

"Hell Toupee" <> wrote >
> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
> Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
> expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
> proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
>
> By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
> meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
> sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
> Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.

Is that true? I mean an absolute fact or maybe just something you've
concluded by your own cat care? (The question sounds insulting and I don't
mean to be; I'm just astounded.) Polly

Bryan wrote:
>
>Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes?
>My former cat had it and I had to give her insulin injections.
>Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>She's started eating more, and drinking way more water.
>Well, we're going to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>only canned cat food that is much lower in carbs.

My Cat Blackie is diabetic. I inject him twice a day but only if he
eats, he's fed twice a day If he refuses a meal then no injection. If
he eats only half his food then the insulin dose is halved. It's only
about once a week that he refuses to eat a meal. He goes to the vet
for blood work every three months to find out if his insulin dose is
optimal. Fortunately he's not big on eating dried food, makes feeding
the others easier as there's dried food out 24/7. But it's important
he get some fiber or hairballs become a problem, so he gets hairball
formula dried food too, fortunately he likes it. Blackie gets locked
in the bathroom to eat or I'd have no way of knowing how much he ate
or if he ate at all as the others would scoff his portion. Once I
developed a regimen it's very easy to care for a diabetic cat. And
this reminds me, it's time to prepare his two syringes, one for this
evening and one for tomorrow morning, much easier having them prepared
in advance. Btw, Walmart sells the best syringes (Reli-On brand) and
they have the lowest price, about 1/3 the price of other pharmacies...
Walmart charges about $16/100. I've tried several differente brands
of syringes from other pharmacies but they are all awful, dull needles
and they trap air bubbles that are so difficult to release that I end
up having to dispose of several unused... and I don't like the dull
needles, they hurt him. I have a sharps disposal thingie that snips
off the needles and stores them, and I destroy the rest of the syringe
so that it can never be used, tin snips turn the plastic into small
bits. Treating a diabetic cat has definitely been an interesting
learning experience.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Bryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]..
>Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
>to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
>to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
>cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
>son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
>than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
>scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
>skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
>to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>"induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
>
>
>Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>They need meat.

Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
have to keep their digestive system healthy. Feeding cats only canned
food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
too. My cats love corn, carrots, squash, sweet potatoes, and
specially beans, they love canned garbanzos. They all somehow know
just how much, they don't over eat... they'll typically eat no more
than a teaspoon or two of veggies once a day. In the wild all felines
eat some plant material, usually certain grasses like wheat grass and
other cereal grasses. Just don't feed your cat any onion, not even
gravy that contains onion, no raisins either, both are highly toxic.
They are toxic to dogs too so make sure you don't share your baked
goods that contain raisins with your pets. Cats and dogs know not to
eat raw onion but they love raisins so be alert. Btw, no mammals in
the wild will eat any plants in the onion family (Allium) so somehow I
believe that humans should also be aware of their onion/garlic intake.
In other mammals the toxin in allium is cumulative, the animal cannot
eliminate it, and that is what will eventually kill them. Perhaps we
shouldn't be eating any onion/garlic. Most of the human diet has
developed by observing mammals in the wild, they know a lot
instinctively and humans possess no instinctual behavour.

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
>>
>>
>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>> They need meat.
>
>Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would
>simply be too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods
>have a higher proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
>
>By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
>more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that
>cause sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their
>cat food. Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they
>improve.

!!!PINHEADED IDIOT ALERT!!!

On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
>>
>>
>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>> They need meat.
>
> Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
> in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
> have to keep their digestive system healthy.

Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system, they
only vomit it up.

> Feeding cats only canned
> food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
> too.

You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling
others "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.

Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.

Quote:

"The indisputable fact that the cat is without a doubt one of Nature’s
most ancient and classic examples of the ultimate carnivore should leave
no doubt in our minds as to the appropriate manner in which they should
be fed. And yet astonishingly, cats who have been fed an unnatural
conglomeration of cooked, canned, dried and over-processed pet foods,
continue to fill the waiting rooms of countless veterinarians’ offices
the world over, waiting to be treated for a variety of health challenges
that have been brought about, at least in part, as a result of being fed
an utterly inappropriate diet."

For those who might be interested in the reality concerning cats and a
cat's diet see:

http://www.rawfedcats.org/carnivores.htm


> My cats love corn, carrots, squash, sweet potatoes, and
> specially beans, they love canned garbanzos. They all somehow know
> just how much, they don't over eat... they'll typically eat no more
> than a teaspoon or two of veggies once a day. In the wild all felines
> eat some plant material, usually certain grasses like wheat grass and
> other cereal grasses.

That is not for food you fool. Why don't you actually do a little
research and find out the real reason why cats eat grass? Cats cannot
digest vegetable matter, their stomach and metabolic system isn't
designed for it. They only eat it to help them throw up.


> Just don't feed your cat any onion, not even
> gravy that contains onion, no raisins either, both are highly toxic.
> They are toxic to dogs too so make sure you don't share your baked
> goods that contain raisins with your pets. Cats and dogs know not to
> eat raw onion but they love raisins so be alert. Btw, no mammals in
> the wild will eat any plants in the onion family (Allium) so somehow I
> believe that humans should also be aware of their onion/garlic intake.
> In other mammals the toxin in allium is cumulative, the animal cannot
> eliminate it, and that is what will eventually kill them. Perhaps we
> shouldn't be eating any onion/garlic.

Don't feed your cat anything that this know-nothing suggests. He is
totally clueless and gives nothing but bad advice.

> Most of the human diet has
> developed by observing mammals in the wild, they know a lot
> instinctively and humans possess no instinctual behavour.

Absolute crap. Human diet has evolved around the availability of
foodstuff, not by observing other mammals.

On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>>> They need meat.
>>
>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.

Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it. My
cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

"Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:j6k6h5$jqq$[email protected]..
> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
>> had
>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
>> going
>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
>> canned
>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking
>> my
>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
>> today
>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
>> I'm
>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
>> could
>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
>> me
>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>> unhealthy.
>>
>>
>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>> They need meat.
>
> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
> Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
> expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
> proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
>
> By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
> meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
> sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
> Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.

Not true. My cats are on a grainless diet and the baby occasionally gets
hairballs.

On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>> and I had
>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>> symptoms.
>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>> we're going
>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>> only canned
>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>> taking my
>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>> more today
>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>> all, as I'm
>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>> I could
>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>> wants me
>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>> now on
>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>> carnivores.
>>>> They need meat.
>>>
>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>
> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand.
As for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

Fancy Feast Sliced Salmon and Chicken
Poultry broth, salmon, chicken, liver, wheat gluten, meat by-products,
turkey, corn starch-modified, soy flour, soy protein concentrate...

Fancy Feast Roasted Chicken Feast
Poultry broth, chicken, liver, meat by-products, wheat gluten, soy
flour, poultry by-products, soy protein concentrate, artificial and
natural flavors, calcium phosphate, added color, potassium chloride,
guar gum, taurine, locust bean gum, xanthan gum, carrageenan...

I will grant you this: the Fancy Feast Classic selections that I
looked at appear to be cereal-free. But the rest of their many
varieties have cereals in them.

Purina Pro Plan Chicken, Tomato & Pasta Entrée In Gravy - goes without
saying, doesn't it.

Purina Pro Plan Chicken Entree
Water sufficient for processing, chicken, meat by-products, liver,
ocean fish, wheat gluten, turkey, artificial and natural flavor, soy
flour, soy protein concentrate, tricalcium phosphate, sodium
tripolyphosphate, potassium chloride, guar gum, added color, taurine,
salt, locust bean gum, carrageenan,

Friskies Savory Shred with Whitefish and Sardines
Water sufficient for processing, liver, turkey, wheat gluten, chicken,
meat by-products, corn starch-modified, soy flour...

Science Diet Adult Indoor Cat Savory Seafood Entrée Minced
Water, Meat By-Products, Fish, Pork Liver, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken
Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Wheat Flour,
Corn Starch, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium
Sulfate, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate,
DL-Methionine, Carrageenan...

Science Diet Adult Optimal Care™ Gourmet Beef Entrée Minced
Water, Beef, Beef By-Product, Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Wheat
Flour, Corn Starch, Rice Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver
Flavor, Soybean Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Guar Gum,
Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan...

To sum up: in general the best food for a cat has the least amount of
cereal in it. But it'll cost you.

"Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
>>> had
>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
>>> going
>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
>>> canned
>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>> taking my
>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
>>> today
>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
>>> I'm
>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
>>> could
>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
>>> me
>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now
>>> on
>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>> unhealthy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>>> They need meat.
>>
>> Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
>> in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
>> have to keep their digestive system healthy.
>
> Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system, they
> only vomit it up.
>
>> Feeding cats only canned
>> food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
>> too.
>
> You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling others
> "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.
>
> Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.
>
(snippage)

My cat happens to love eating wheat grass, oat grass, barley grass. That's
why they sell "cat grass". So tell me, why does she love to munch on these
grasses if she's strictly a carnivore?

Jill

On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>>> and I had
>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>>> we're going
>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>>> only canned
>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>>> taking my
>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>>> more today
>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>>> all, as I'm
>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>>> I could
>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>>> wants me
>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>>> now on
>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>>> carnivores.
>>>>> They need meat.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>>
>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
>
> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
gets canned or fresh meat or fish.

"Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
>> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>>>> and I had
>>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>>>> we're going
>>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>>>> only canned
>>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>>>> taking my
>>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>>>> more today
>>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>>>> all, as I'm
>>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>>>> I could
>>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>>>> wants me
>>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>>>> now on
>>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>>>> carnivores.
>>>>>> They need meat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>>>
>>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
>>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
>>
>> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
>> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:
>
> No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
> gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
>
So ignore the labels and believe what you want. No skin off my nose if you
feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add taurine.
Cats need taurine in their diet.

Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now

On 7/10/2011 1:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and
>>>> I had
>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
>>>> going
>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
>>>> canned
>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>> taking my
>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>> more today
>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all,
>>>> as I'm
>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
>>>> could
>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>> wants me
>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>> now on
>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>>>> They need meat.
>>>
>>> Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
>>> in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
>>> have to keep their digestive system healthy.
>>
>> Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system,
>> they only vomit it up.
>>
>>> Feeding cats only canned
>>> food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
>>> too.
>>
>> You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling
>> others "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.
>>
>> Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.
>>
> (snippage)
>
> My cat happens to love eating wheat grass, oat grass, barley grass.
> That's why they sell "cat grass". So tell me, why does she love to munch
> on these grasses if she's strictly a carnivore?
>
> Jill


Cats don't have a stomach that can digest grass, they can only bring it
up again. All cats love chewing grass - to help them bring up fur-balls.
My cat isn't allowed outside, so he has trays of grass provided. It
stops him eating the pot plants.

On 7/10/2011 1:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>>>>> and I had
>>>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>>>>> we're going
>>>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>>>>> only canned
>>>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>>>>> taking my
>>>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>>>>> more today
>>>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>>>>> all, as I'm
>>>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>>>>> I could
>>>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>>>>> wants me
>>>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>>>>> now on
>>>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>>>>> carnivores.
>>>>>>> They need meat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>>>>
>>>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
>>>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
>>>
>>> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
>>> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:
>>
>> No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
>> gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
>>
> So ignore the labels and believe what you want.

Where does ignoring labels come into it? The labels state quite clearly
100% meat or fish depending on which variety. There is nothing to ignore
on the labels.

> No skin off my nose if
> you feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add
> taurine. Cats need taurine in their diet.

If the cat only eats fresh meat and fish it doesn't need Taurine
supplements. Taurine is derived from meat and fish - mostly fish. They
only need Taurine supplements if they are fed a diet high in vegetables
- like pet kibble.


>
> Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now

I rotate trays (actually unused litter boxes) full of sprouts and grass.
I keep two outside in the sun, and one inside for the cat to chew on.
When it gets dilapidated I put it outside with more seed and bring a
fresh one in.

everyone who has posted here is all wrong, seeking advice from a vetrinarian
whom you trust is the only way to find the correct eating that suits a
particular animal. again there simply is no one size fits all food program
for animals either, a hairball causes indigestion and puking nothing to do
with food or of content, the hairball is usually too big to go out the other
end, sometimes it will get lodged in the intestins and the cat will need
laxitives.

protien content is on the side of every single cat/dog food, there
absolutely a number of non grain foods, some from your animal health
professiona, they also can advise as to health conditions and the
feasability of preparing the food from human food sources, i think its
cornelle univ where i read a lot on this subject. Lee
"Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:j6k6h5$jqq$[email protected]..
> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
>> had
>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
>> going
>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
>> canned
>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking
>> my
>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
>> today
>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
>> I'm
>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
>> could
>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
>> me
>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>> unhealthy.
>>
>>
>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
>> They need meat.
>
> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
> Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
> expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
> proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
>
> By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
> meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
> sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
> Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.

i don't care if this sounds insulting or not, its a complete crock, Lee
"Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
> "Hell Toupee" <> wrote >
>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
>> Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be
>> too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
>> proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
>>
>> By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
>> more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
>> sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
>> Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.
>
> Is that true? I mean an absolute fact or maybe just something you've
> concluded by your own cat care? (The question sounds insulting and I
> don't mean to be; I'm just astounded.) Polly

to sum up in specifics, just feeding a cat meats only without the proper
things like torrine doom your cat to ill health and early blindness.
-there are grainless dry foods and a multitude of grainless wet foods, and a
seriouls number of lower grain/higher protien foods, some and i mean some of
which are not affordable, and some which are, you haven't looked enough, but
then this is one of those food police things except for its the poor cat who
pays, Lee
"Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:j6kevg$b84$[email protected]..
> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>>> and I had
>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>>> we're going
>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>>> only canned
>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>>> taking my
>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>>> more today
>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>>> all, as I'm
>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>>> I could
>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>>> wants me
>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>>> now on
>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>>> carnivores.
>>>>> They need meat.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>>
>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
>
> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:
>
> Fancy Feast Sliced Salmon and Chicken
> Poultry broth, salmon, chicken, liver, wheat gluten, meat by-products,
> turkey, corn starch-modified, soy flour, soy protein concentrate...
>
> Fancy Feast Roasted Chicken Feast
> Poultry broth, chicken, liver, meat by-products, wheat gluten, soy flour,
> poultry by-products, soy protein concentrate, artificial and natural
> flavors, calcium phosphate, added color, potassium chloride, guar gum,
> taurine, locust bean gum, xanthan gum, carrageenan...
>
> I will grant you this: the Fancy Feast Classic selections that I looked at
> appear to be cereal-free. But the rest of their many varieties have
> cereals in them.
>
> Purina Pro Plan Chicken, Tomato & Pasta Entrée In Gravy - goes without
> saying, doesn't it.
>
> Purina Pro Plan Chicken Entree
> Water sufficient for processing, chicken, meat by-products, liver, ocean
> fish, wheat gluten, turkey, artificial and natural flavor, soy flour, soy
> protein concentrate, tricalcium phosphate, sodium tripolyphosphate,
> potassium chloride, guar gum, added color, taurine, salt, locust bean gum,
> carrageenan,
>
> Friskies Savory Shred with Whitefish and Sardines
> Water sufficient for processing, liver, turkey, wheat gluten, chicken,
> meat by-products, corn starch-modified, soy flour...
>
> Science Diet Adult Indoor Cat Savory Seafood Entrée Minced
> Water, Meat By-Products, Fish, Pork Liver, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Fat
> (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Wheat Flour, Corn
> Starch, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium Sulfate,
> Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, DL-Methionine,
> Carrageenan...
>
> Science Diet Adult Optimal Care™ Gourmet Beef Entrée Minced
> Water, Beef, Beef By-Product, Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Wheat Flour,
> Corn Starch, Rice Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean
> Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum,
> Carrageenan...
>
> To sum up: in general the best food for a cat has the least amount of
> cereal in it. But it'll cost you.

they also need bone mmeal, and the cloraphil, sp in that grass, wait thats
not meat!!!! quick call the petfood police, Lee
"jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
> "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
>>>>>>> and I had
>>>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
>>>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
>>>>>>> we're going
>>>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
>>>>>>> only canned
>>>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
>>>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
>>>>>>> taking my
>>>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
>>>>>>> more today
>>>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
>>>>>>> all, as I'm
>>>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
>>>>>>> I could
>>>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
>>>>>>> wants me
>>>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
>>>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
>>>>>>> now on
>>>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
>>>>>>> unhealthy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
>>>>>>> carnivores.
>>>>>>> They need meat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
>>>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
>>>>
>>>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
>>>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
>>>
>>> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand.
>>> As
>>> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:
>>
>> No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
>> gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
>>
> So ignore the labels and believe what you want. No skin off my nose if
> you feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add
> taurine. Cats need taurine in their diet.
>
> Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now