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  1. #1
    Bryan Guest

    Default The Catkins Diet

    Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms. She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.

    --Bryan

  2. #2
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet


    "Bryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.


    Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    They need meat.

    Paul



  3. #3
    Hell Toupee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    > "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    > Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    > to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    > She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    > to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    > cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    > I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    > son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    > than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    > scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    > skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    > to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    > Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    > "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
    >
    >
    > Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    > They need meat.


    Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would
    simply be too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods
    have a higher proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.

    By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
    more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that
    cause sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their
    cat food. Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they
    improve.

  4. #4
    Polly Esther Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet


    "Hell Toupee" <> wrote >
    > Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
    > Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
    > expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
    > proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
    >
    > By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
    > meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
    > sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
    > Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.


    Is that true? I mean an absolute fact or maybe just something you've
    concluded by your own cat care? (The question sounds insulting and I don't
    mean to be; I'm just astounded.) Polly


  5. #5
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    Bryan wrote:
    >
    >Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes?
    >My former cat had it and I had to give her insulin injections.
    >Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >She's started eating more, and drinking way more water.
    >Well, we're going to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >only canned cat food that is much lower in carbs.


    My Cat Blackie is diabetic. I inject him twice a day but only if he
    eats, he's fed twice a day If he refuses a meal then no injection. If
    he eats only half his food then the insulin dose is halved. It's only
    about once a week that he refuses to eat a meal. He goes to the vet
    for blood work every three months to find out if his insulin dose is
    optimal. Fortunately he's not big on eating dried food, makes feeding
    the others easier as there's dried food out 24/7. But it's important
    he get some fiber or hairballs become a problem, so he gets hairball
    formula dried food too, fortunately he likes it. Blackie gets locked
    in the bathroom to eat or I'd have no way of knowing how much he ate
    or if he ate at all as the others would scoff his portion. Once I
    developed a regimen it's very easy to care for a diabetic cat. And
    this reminds me, it's time to prepare his two syringes, one for this
    evening and one for tomorrow morning, much easier having them prepared
    in advance. Btw, Walmart sells the best syringes (Reli-On brand) and
    they have the lowest price, about 1/3 the price of other pharmacies...
    Walmart charges about $16/100. I've tried several differente brands
    of syringes from other pharmacies but they are all awful, dull needles
    and they trap air bubbles that are so difficult to release that I end
    up having to dispose of several unused... and I don't like the dull
    needles, they hurt him. I have a sharps disposal thingie that snips
    off the needles and stores them, and I destroy the rest of the syringe
    so that it can never be used, tin snips turn the plastic into small
    bits. Treating a diabetic cat has definitely been an interesting
    learning experience.

  6. #6
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Bryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]..
    >Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    >to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    >to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    >cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    >son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    >than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    >scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    >skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    >to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >"induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
    >
    >
    >Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >They need meat.


    Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
    in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
    have to keep their digestive system healthy. Feeding cats only canned
    food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
    too. My cats love corn, carrots, squash, sweet potatoes, and
    specially beans, they love canned garbanzos. They all somehow know
    just how much, they don't over eat... they'll typically eat no more
    than a teaspoon or two of veggies once a day. In the wild all felines
    eat some plant material, usually certain grasses like wheat grass and
    other cereal grasses. Just don't feed your cat any onion, not even
    gravy that contains onion, no raisins either, both are highly toxic.
    They are toxic to dogs too so make sure you don't share your baked
    goods that contain raisins with your pets. Cats and dogs know not to
    eat raw onion but they love raisins so be alert. Btw, no mammals in
    the wild will eat any plants in the onion family (Allium) so somehow I
    believe that humans should also be aware of their onion/garlic intake.
    In other mammals the toxin in allium is cumulative, the animal cannot
    eliminate it, and that is what will eventually kill them. Perhaps we
    shouldn't be eating any onion/garlic. Most of the human diet has
    developed by observing mammals in the wild, they know a lot
    instinctively and humans possess no instinctual behavour.

  7. #7
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    >> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    >> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    >> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    >> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    >> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    >> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    >> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    >> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
    >>
    >>
    >> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >> They need meat.

    >
    >Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would
    >simply be too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods
    >have a higher proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
    >
    >By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
    >more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that
    >cause sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their
    >cat food. Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they
    >improve.


    !!!PINHEADED IDIOT ALERT!!!

  8. #8
    Who_me? Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    > On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    >> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    >> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    >> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    >> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    >> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    >> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    >> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    >> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
    >>
    >>
    >> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >> They need meat.

    >
    > Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
    > in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
    > have to keep their digestive system healthy.


    Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system, they
    only vomit it up.

    > Feeding cats only canned
    > food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
    > too.


    You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling
    others "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.

    Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.

    Quote:

    "The indisputable fact that the cat is without a doubt one of Nature’s
    most ancient and classic examples of the ultimate carnivore should leave
    no doubt in our minds as to the appropriate manner in which they should
    be fed. And yet astonishingly, cats who have been fed an unnatural
    conglomeration of cooked, canned, dried and over-processed pet foods,
    continue to fill the waiting rooms of countless veterinarians’ offices
    the world over, waiting to be treated for a variety of health challenges
    that have been brought about, at least in part, as a result of being fed
    an utterly inappropriate diet."

    For those who might be interested in the reality concerning cats and a
    cat's diet see:

    http://www.rawfedcats.org/carnivores.htm


    > My cats love corn, carrots, squash, sweet potatoes, and
    > specially beans, they love canned garbanzos. They all somehow know
    > just how much, they don't over eat... they'll typically eat no more
    > than a teaspoon or two of veggies once a day. In the wild all felines
    > eat some plant material, usually certain grasses like wheat grass and
    > other cereal grasses.


    That is not for food you fool. Why don't you actually do a little
    research and find out the real reason why cats eat grass? Cats cannot
    digest vegetable matter, their stomach and metabolic system isn't
    designed for it. They only eat it to help them throw up.


    > Just don't feed your cat any onion, not even
    > gravy that contains onion, no raisins either, both are highly toxic.
    > They are toxic to dogs too so make sure you don't share your baked
    > goods that contain raisins with your pets. Cats and dogs know not to
    > eat raw onion but they love raisins so be alert. Btw, no mammals in
    > the wild will eat any plants in the onion family (Allium) so somehow I
    > believe that humans should also be aware of their onion/garlic intake.
    > In other mammals the toxin in allium is cumulative, the animal cannot
    > eliminate it, and that is what will eventually kill them. Perhaps we
    > shouldn't be eating any onion/garlic.


    Don't feed your cat anything that this know-nothing suggests. He is
    totally clueless and gives nothing but bad advice.

    > Most of the human diet has
    > developed by observing mammals in the wild, they know a lot
    > instinctively and humans possess no instinctual behavour.


    Absolute crap. Human diet has evolved around the availability of
    foodstuff, not by observing other mammals.




  9. #9
    Who_me? Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    > On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I had
    >>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're going
    >>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only canned
    >>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking my
    >>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more today
    >>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as I'm
    >>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I could
    >>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants me
    >>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently unhealthy.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >>> They need meat.

    >>
    >> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.


    Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it. My
    cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

  10. #10
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet


    "Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j6k6h5$jqq$[email protected]..
    > On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
    >> had
    >> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
    >> going
    >> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
    >> canned
    >> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking
    >> my
    >> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
    >> today
    >> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
    >> I'm
    >> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
    >> could
    >> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
    >> me
    >> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >> unhealthy.
    >>
    >>
    >> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >> They need meat.

    >
    > Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
    > Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
    > expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
    > proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
    >
    > By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
    > meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
    > sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
    > Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.


    Not true. My cats are on a grainless diet and the baby occasionally gets
    hairballs.



  11. #11
    Hell Toupee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    > On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>> and I had
    >>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>> symptoms.
    >>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>> we're going
    >>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>> only canned
    >>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>> taking my
    >>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>> more today
    >>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>> all, as I'm
    >>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>> I could
    >>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>> wants me
    >>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>> now on
    >>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>> carnivores.
    >>>> They need meat.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.

    >
    > Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    > My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.


    You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand.
    As for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

    Fancy Feast Sliced Salmon and Chicken
    Poultry broth, salmon, chicken, liver, wheat gluten, meat by-products,
    turkey, corn starch-modified, soy flour, soy protein concentrate...

    Fancy Feast Roasted Chicken Feast
    Poultry broth, chicken, liver, meat by-products, wheat gluten, soy
    flour, poultry by-products, soy protein concentrate, artificial and
    natural flavors, calcium phosphate, added color, potassium chloride,
    guar gum, taurine, locust bean gum, xanthan gum, carrageenan...

    I will grant you this: the Fancy Feast Classic selections that I
    looked at appear to be cereal-free. But the rest of their many
    varieties have cereals in them.

    Purina Pro Plan Chicken, Tomato & Pasta Entrée In Gravy - goes without
    saying, doesn't it.

    Purina Pro Plan Chicken Entree
    Water sufficient for processing, chicken, meat by-products, liver,
    ocean fish, wheat gluten, turkey, artificial and natural flavor, soy
    flour, soy protein concentrate, tricalcium phosphate, sodium
    tripolyphosphate, potassium chloride, guar gum, added color, taurine,
    salt, locust bean gum, carrageenan,

    Friskies Savory Shred with Whitefish and Sardines
    Water sufficient for processing, liver, turkey, wheat gluten, chicken,
    meat by-products, corn starch-modified, soy flour...

    Science Diet Adult Indoor Cat Savory Seafood Entrée Minced
    Water, Meat By-Products, Fish, Pork Liver, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken
    Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Wheat Flour,
    Corn Starch, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium
    Sulfate, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate,
    DL-Methionine, Carrageenan...

    Science Diet Adult Optimal Care™ Gourmet Beef Entrée Minced
    Water, Beef, Beef By-Product, Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Wheat
    Flour, Corn Starch, Rice Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver
    Flavor, Soybean Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Guar Gum,
    Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan...

    To sum up: in general the best food for a cat has the least amount of
    cereal in it. But it'll cost you.

  12. #12
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet


    "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
    >>> had
    >>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
    >>> going
    >>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
    >>> canned
    >>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>> taking my
    >>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
    >>> today
    >>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
    >>> I'm
    >>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
    >>> could
    >>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
    >>> me
    >>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now
    >>> on
    >>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>> unhealthy.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >>> They need meat.

    >>
    >> Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
    >> in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
    >> have to keep their digestive system healthy.

    >
    > Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system, they
    > only vomit it up.
    >
    >> Feeding cats only canned
    >> food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
    >> too.

    >
    > You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling others
    > "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.
    >
    > Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.
    >

    (snippage)

    My cat happens to love eating wheat grass, oat grass, barley grass. That's
    why they sell "cat grass". So tell me, why does she love to munch on these
    grasses if she's strictly a carnivore?

    Jill


  13. #13
    Who_me? Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
    > On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    >> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>>> and I had
    >>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>>> symptoms.
    >>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>>> we're going
    >>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>>> only canned
    >>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>>> taking my
    >>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>>> more today
    >>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>>> all, as I'm
    >>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>>> I could
    >>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>>> wants me
    >>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>>> now on
    >>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>>> carnivores.
    >>>>> They need meat.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.

    >>
    >> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    >> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

    >
    > You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
    > for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:


    No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
    gets canned or fresh meat or fish.



  14. #14
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet


    "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
    >> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    >>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>>>> and I had
    >>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>>>> symptoms.
    >>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>>>> we're going
    >>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>>>> only canned
    >>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>>>> taking my
    >>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>>>> more today
    >>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>>>> all, as I'm
    >>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>>>> I could
    >>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>>>> wants me
    >>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>>>> now on
    >>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>>>> carnivores.
    >>>>>> They need meat.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
    >>>
    >>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    >>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

    >>
    >> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
    >> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

    >
    > No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
    > gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
    >

    So ignore the labels and believe what you want. No skin off my nose if you
    feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add taurine.
    Cats need taurine in their diet.

    Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now


  15. #15
    Who_me? Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 7/10/2011 1:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    >
    > "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> On 6/10/2011 11:55 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:51:06 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"<[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and
    >>>> I had
    >>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
    >>>> going
    >>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
    >>>> canned
    >>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>> taking my
    >>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>> more today
    >>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all,
    >>>> as I'm
    >>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
    >>>> could
    >>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>> wants me
    >>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>> now on
    >>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >>>> They need meat.
    >>>
    >>> Corn is not toxic. There is no reason that cats can't have vegetables
    >>> in their diet and corn is an excellent source of fiber which cats must
    >>> have to keep their digestive system healthy.

    >>
    >> Absolute rubbish. They don't need fibre for their digestive system,
    >> they only vomit it up.
    >>
    >>> Feeding cats only canned
    >>> food is not a good idea, they need the vegetable fiber in dried food
    >>> too.

    >>
    >> You can't get anything right - can you? yet you never stop telling
    >> others "how it is" even when you have no clue as to how it is.
    >>
    >> Cats, you dimwit, are carnivores, not omnivores.
    >>

    > (snippage)
    >
    > My cat happens to love eating wheat grass, oat grass, barley grass.
    > That's why they sell "cat grass". So tell me, why does she love to munch
    > on these grasses if she's strictly a carnivore?
    >
    > Jill



    Cats don't have a stomach that can digest grass, they can only bring it
    up again. All cats love chewing grass - to help them bring up fur-balls.
    My cat isn't allowed outside, so he has trays of grass provided. It
    stops him eating the pot plants.


  16. #16
    Who_me? Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    On 7/10/2011 1:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    >
    > "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
    >>> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    >>>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>>>>> and I had
    >>>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>>>>> symptoms.
    >>>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>>>>> we're going
    >>>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>>>>> only canned
    >>>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>>>>> taking my
    >>>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>>>>> more today
    >>>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>>>>> all, as I'm
    >>>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>>>>> I could
    >>>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>>>>> wants me
    >>>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>>>>> now on
    >>>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>>>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>>>>> carnivores.
    >>>>>>> They need meat.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    >>>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
    >>>
    >>> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
    >>> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

    >>
    >> No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
    >> gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
    >>

    > So ignore the labels and believe what you want.


    Where does ignoring labels come into it? The labels state quite clearly
    100% meat or fish depending on which variety. There is nothing to ignore
    on the labels.

    > No skin off my nose if
    > you feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add
    > taurine. Cats need taurine in their diet.


    If the cat only eats fresh meat and fish it doesn't need Taurine
    supplements. Taurine is derived from meat and fish - mostly fish. They
    only need Taurine supplements if they are fed a diet high in vegetables
    - like pet kibble.


    >
    > Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now


    I rotate trays (actually unused litter boxes) full of sprouts and grass.
    I keep two outside in the sun, and one inside for the cat to chew on.
    When it gets dilapidated I put it outside with more seed and bring a
    fresh one in.


  17. #17
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    everyone who has posted here is all wrong, seeking advice from a vetrinarian
    whom you trust is the only way to find the correct eating that suits a
    particular animal. again there simply is no one size fits all food program
    for animals either, a hairball causes indigestion and puking nothing to do
    with food or of content, the hairball is usually too big to go out the other
    end, sometimes it will get lodged in the intestins and the cat will need
    laxitives.

    protien content is on the side of every single cat/dog food, there
    absolutely a number of non grain foods, some from your animal health
    professiona, they also can advise as to health conditions and the
    feasability of preparing the food from human food sources, i think its
    cornelle univ where i read a lot on this subject. Lee
    "Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j6k6h5$jqq$[email protected]..
    > On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it and I
    >> had
    >> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing symptoms.
    >> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well, we're
    >> going
    >> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food, only
    >> canned
    >> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been taking
    >> my
    >> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated more
    >> today
    >> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at all, as
    >> I'm
    >> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet I
    >> could
    >> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really wants
    >> me
    >> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is now on
    >> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >> unhealthy.
    >>
    >>
    >> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are carnivores.
    >> They need meat.

    >
    > Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
    > Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be too
    > expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
    > proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
    >
    > By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with more
    > meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
    > sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
    > Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.




  18. #18
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    i don't care if this sounds insulting or not, its a complete crock, Lee
    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Hell Toupee" <> wrote >
    >> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat food.
    >> Even the canned stuff has cereals in it. Otherwise, it would simply be
    >> too expensive for most people. The higher-quality cat foods have a higher
    >> proportion of meat or meat meal in them, and you pay for it.
    >>
    >> By the way, the so-called hairball prevention cat foods are made with
    >> more meat products in them, because it isn't really hairballs that cause
    >> sensitive cats to vomit, it's the indigestible grains in their cat food.
    >> Replace with a food that's got less grain in it, and they improve.

    >
    > Is that true? I mean an absolute fact or maybe just something you've
    > concluded by your own cat care? (The question sounds insulting and I
    > don't mean to be; I'm just astounded.) Polly




  19. #19
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    to sum up in specifics, just feeding a cat meats only without the proper
    things like torrine doom your cat to ill health and early blindness.
    -there are grainless dry foods and a multitude of grainless wet foods, and a
    seriouls number of lower grain/higher protien foods, some and i mean some of
    which are not affordable, and some which are, you haven't looked enough, but
    then this is one of those food police things except for its the poor cat who
    pays, Lee
    "Hell Toupee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j6kevg$b84$[email protected]..
    > On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    >> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>>> and I had
    >>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>>> symptoms.
    >>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>>> we're going
    >>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>>> only canned
    >>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>>> taking my
    >>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>>> more today
    >>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>>> all, as I'm
    >>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>>> I could
    >>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>>> wants me
    >>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>>> now on
    >>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>>> carnivores.
    >>>>> They need meat.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.

    >>
    >> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    >> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.

    >
    > You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand. As
    > for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:
    >
    > Fancy Feast Sliced Salmon and Chicken
    > Poultry broth, salmon, chicken, liver, wheat gluten, meat by-products,
    > turkey, corn starch-modified, soy flour, soy protein concentrate...
    >
    > Fancy Feast Roasted Chicken Feast
    > Poultry broth, chicken, liver, meat by-products, wheat gluten, soy flour,
    > poultry by-products, soy protein concentrate, artificial and natural
    > flavors, calcium phosphate, added color, potassium chloride, guar gum,
    > taurine, locust bean gum, xanthan gum, carrageenan...
    >
    > I will grant you this: the Fancy Feast Classic selections that I looked at
    > appear to be cereal-free. But the rest of their many varieties have
    > cereals in them.
    >
    > Purina Pro Plan Chicken, Tomato & Pasta Entrée In Gravy - goes without
    > saying, doesn't it.
    >
    > Purina Pro Plan Chicken Entree
    > Water sufficient for processing, chicken, meat by-products, liver, ocean
    > fish, wheat gluten, turkey, artificial and natural flavor, soy flour, soy
    > protein concentrate, tricalcium phosphate, sodium tripolyphosphate,
    > potassium chloride, guar gum, added color, taurine, salt, locust bean gum,
    > carrageenan,
    >
    > Friskies Savory Shred with Whitefish and Sardines
    > Water sufficient for processing, liver, turkey, wheat gluten, chicken,
    > meat by-products, corn starch-modified, soy flour...
    >
    > Science Diet Adult Indoor Cat Savory Seafood Entrée Minced
    > Water, Meat By-Products, Fish, Pork Liver, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Fat
    > (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Wheat Flour, Corn
    > Starch, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium Sulfate,
    > Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, DL-Methionine,
    > Carrageenan...
    >
    > Science Diet Adult Optimal Care™ Gourmet Beef Entrée Minced
    > Water, Beef, Beef By-Product, Pork By-Products, Pork Liver, Wheat Flour,
    > Corn Starch, Rice Flour, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean
    > Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum,
    > Carrageenan...
    >
    > To sum up: in general the best food for a cat has the least amount of
    > cereal in it. But it'll cost you.




  20. #20
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: The Catkins Diet

    they also need bone mmeal, and the cloraphil, sp in that grass, wait thats
    not meat!!!! quick call the petfood police, Lee
    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Who_me?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:52h5c[email protected]..
    >> On 7/10/2011 12:46 AM, Hell Toupee wrote:
    >>> On 10/6/2011 9:13 AM, Who_me? wrote:
    >>>> On 6/10/2011 11:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:58 -0500, Hell Toupee<[email protected]>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >>>>>>> "Bryan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Anyone else ever have a pet with diabetes? My former cat had it
    >>>>>>> and I had
    >>>>>>> to give her insulin injections. Now my current cat is showing
    >>>>>>> symptoms.
    >>>>>>> She's started eating more, and drinking way more water. Well,
    >>>>>>> we're going
    >>>>>>> to take her to the vet, but in the mean time it's no dry food,
    >>>>>>> only canned
    >>>>>>> cat food that is much lower in carbs.
    >>>>>>> I have another reason to go back to low carbing myself. I've been
    >>>>>>> taking my
    >>>>>>> son to the skatepark, and today I brought my old board. I skated
    >>>>>>> more today
    >>>>>>> than I have in probably 15 years. I didn't do anything gutsy at
    >>>>>>> all, as I'm
    >>>>>>> scared of getting hurt, but if I lost 15% of my body weight, I bet
    >>>>>>> I could
    >>>>>>> skate as well or better than when I was younger, and my son really
    >>>>>>> wants me
    >>>>>>> to skate with him. He said, "You'd be the best dad if you..."
    >>>>>>> Back to the cat: http://yourdiabeticcat.com/ So, my poor kitty is
    >>>>>>> now on
    >>>>>>> "induction." No more corn based crunchy things that are patently
    >>>>>>> unhealthy.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Corn is absolutely to be avoided in a cat's diet. Cat's are
    >>>>>>> carnivores.
    >>>>>>> They need meat.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Yeah, well good luck finding commercially available 100% meat cat
    >>>>>> food. Even the canned stuff has cereals in it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Not true. Only the really cheap (Walmart?) cat food has cereal in it.
    >>>> My cat gets fed all meat or all fish.
    >>>
    >>> You're wrong. All dry cat food has cereal in it, regardless of brand.
    >>> As
    >>> for canned foods, let's take a look at some non-Walmart brands:

    >>
    >> No I am not. I don't feed my cat dry food, it is not good for cats. He
    >> gets canned or fresh meat or fish.
    >>

    > So ignore the labels and believe what you want. No skin off my nose if
    > you feed your cat fresh meat, chicken or fish. But be sure you add
    > taurine. Cats need taurine in their diet.
    >
    > Jill <---going to plant more cat grass now




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