Thread: California wildfires

On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>
> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.
This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the "worst fire
season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground cover (firefighting
terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the WFSE because all the
existing ground cover is "extremely dry". Pshaw! IOW, it's been the WFSE
for as long as newscasting has been grasping for hot (pun intended) news
stories. As an ex-firefighter, I've laughed at the news coverage of CA
"wild fires" for years. Now, it's just sad.

BTW, have you actually paid attention to the forests up in the Sierra's? The
US and CA forestry depts have been so effective at controlling foreset fires
for the last 100 yrs, the tree density is obscenely unnaturally high. I've
seen stands where trees are as close a foot apart! This is Conflagration
City and is as risky as it gets. Expect more and bigger fires this year,
cuz it's..... wait for it ...... THE WORST FIRE SEASON EVER!

nb

On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>
> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.
This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the "worst fire
season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground cover (firefighting
terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the WFSE because all the
existing ground cover is "extremely dry". Pshaw! IOW, it's been the WFSE
for as long as newscasting has been grasping for hot (pun intended) news
stories. As an ex-firefighter, I've laughed at the news coverage of CA
"wild fires" for years. Now, it's just sad.

BTW, have you actually paid attention to the forests up in the Sierra's? The
US and CA forestry depts have been so effective at controlling foreset fires
for the last 100 yrs, the tree density is obscenely unnaturally high. I've
seen stands where trees are as close a foot apart! This is Conflagration
City and is as risky as it gets. Expect more and bigger fires this year,
cuz it's..... wait for it ...... THE WORST FIRE SEASON EVER!

nb

sf wrote:
> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
> atmosphere.
>
> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>
>
Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
> atmosphere.
>
> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>
>
Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

--
Jean B.

notbob <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>>
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>
> C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from
> May-Nov. This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the
> "worst fire season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground
> cover (firefighting terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the
> WFSE because all the existing ground cover is "extremely dry".



Normal fuel loads for most areas is approx 5-6 tonnes per hectare.


I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
tph.


**** happens.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


"Thirty seven years ago, a Quarter Master, nearly knocked me over as he
thrust an L1A1 SLR into my hands and bellowed, "Keep that Rifle in Tip
Top Order so you can Kill your Countries Enemies with it before they
Kill You. These days, I do not have to visit exotic overseas countries
as my Countries Enemies are seen wallowing around our seats of
government, they guzzle and cavort at the Public trough so deeply they
make Caligula and Nero look like Church choir boys."


Mr Ron Owen, 2000, in a letter to then Premier Olsen.

notbob <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>>
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>
> C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from
> May-Nov. This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the
> "worst fire season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground
> cover (firefighting terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the
> WFSE because all the existing ground cover is "extremely dry".



Normal fuel loads for most areas is approx 5-6 tonnes per hectare.


I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
tph.


**** happens.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


"Thirty seven years ago, a Quarter Master, nearly knocked me over as he
thrust an L1A1 SLR into my hands and bellowed, "Keep that Rifle in Tip
Top Order so you can Kill your Countries Enemies with it before they
Kill You. These days, I do not have to visit exotic overseas countries
as my Countries Enemies are seen wallowing around our seats of
government, they guzzle and cavort at the Public trough so deeply they
make Caligula and Nero look like Church choir boys."


Mr Ron Owen, 2000, in a letter to then Premier Olsen.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
>> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
>> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
>> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
>> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>>
>>
>Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
>affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

When the air quality affects us on the foggy side of San Francisco,
it's bad. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
>> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
>> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
>> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
>> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>>
>>
>Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
>affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

When the air quality affects us on the foggy side of San Francisco,
it's bad. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
>> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
>> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
>> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
>> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>>
>>
>Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
>affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
see the sun and the sky is silver gray.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
>> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
>> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
>> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
>> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
>>
>>
>Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
>affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
see the sun and the sky is silver gray.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf <.> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
> Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
> and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
> really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
> see the sun and the sky is silver gray.

My wife, who is mildly asthmatic, was in Berkeley for the last few days
at a workshop on health and the environment, of all things, and she said
the ambient smoke was pretty bad.

Her exact words were: "I went out this morning to get a coffee...it was
smokey from the forest fires...I`ve been using my puffer, but that
doesn`t keep my eyes from watering."

She'll be flying out to Vancouver to spend a few days with my daughter,
leaving in about three hours. I keep thinking that it'll be one of these
hair-raising escapes, with the door of the airplane open as people are
piling in and the flames are licking at the fuel tanks...:-) Suddenly,
Ken Arrow appears out of nowhere and applies his impossibility theorem to
the fire and snuffs it out, thus demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt
that economists actually *have* a use in society ;-)

Before anybody says anything, my wife is an economist. They talk a good
line but we historians are harder to impress than that. We are very much
aware that meteorologists have a better prediction rate than economists
:-)

On 2008-06-26, PeterLucas <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
> tph.
>
>
> **** happens.

Yep. And CA'ians insist on building right smack dab in the middle of it and
wonder why they get burned out, year after year. Duh.

nb

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:26:07 -0500, Michel Boucher
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I keep thinking that it'll be one of these
>hair-raising escapes, with the door of the airplane open as people are
>piling in and the flames are licking at the fuel tanks...:-) Suddenly,
>Ken Arrow appears out of nowhere and applies his impossibility theorem to
>the fire and snuffs it out, thus demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt
>that economists actually *have* a use in society ;-)

The worst we have near the cities are brush fires and they're pretty
far away. There was a big one last weekend between Fairfield and
Vacaville last weekend.... the smoke and scorched earth went on for
miles right next to the freeway.

Don't worry, she won't need rescuing... and she'll fly to Vancouver!
Love it there.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

notbob wrote:
> On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>
> C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.

And WHY post it on a cooking group???
ObFood- I recall how they fed the relief workers in New Orleans after
Katrina. What a huge production that became! But some folks got some
goooood eats from displaced chefs.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:30:32 -0400, Goomba <[email protected]>
wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
>>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
>>
>> C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.
>
>And WHY post it on a cooking group???

Obviously because she has no life and feels the left coast is the only
place in the world that has natural disasters. Huge parts of the
midwest are underwater at the moment including an incredible amount of
farmland. But none of us needs to start a thread about it. I drove
through it last weekend and it would have been close to being on
topic, but we don't need to cry here. Just move on.

Lou

On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:

> And WHY post it on a cooking group???

BBQ?

nb

notbob wrote:

> On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And WHY post it on a cooking group???
>
> BBQ?

Some of it might be mesquite.


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notbob wrote:
> On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And WHY post it on a cooking group???
>
> BBQ?
>
> nb

Good plan!
Talk about "taking lemons and making lemonaid" (cliche food reference too!)

"sf" <.> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
>
> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
> atmosphere.
>
> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#


I read about the lightning that caused so many fires the other day. The
current fires are a good distance from us, but we haven't forgotten the
recent fires here in San Diego county, and I hope you and everyone in the
region stay safe from their rampages.

kimberly