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    sf Guest

    Default California wildfires


    KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    atmosphere.

    The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#


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    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    notbob Guest

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    On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >
    > KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in


    C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.
    This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the "worst fire
    season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground cover (firefighting
    terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the WFSE because all the
    existing ground cover is "extremely dry". Pshaw! IOW, it's been the WFSE
    for as long as newscasting has been grasping for hot (pun intended) news
    stories. As an ex-firefighter, I've laughed at the news coverage of CA
    "wild fires" for years. Now, it's just sad.

    BTW, have you actually paid attention to the forests up in the Sierra's? The
    US and CA forestry depts have been so effective at controlling foreset fires
    for the last 100 yrs, the tree density is obscenely unnaturally high. I've
    seen stands where trees are as close a foot apart! This is Conflagration
    City and is as risky as it gets. Expect more and bigger fires this year,
    cuz it's..... wait for it ...... THE WORST FIRE SEASON EVER!

    nb

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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >
    > KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in


    C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.
    This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the "worst fire
    season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground cover (firefighting
    terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the WFSE because all the
    existing ground cover is "extremely dry". Pshaw! IOW, it's been the WFSE
    for as long as newscasting has been grasping for hot (pun intended) news
    stories. As an ex-firefighter, I've laughed at the news coverage of CA
    "wild fires" for years. Now, it's just sad.

    BTW, have you actually paid attention to the forests up in the Sierra's? The
    US and CA forestry depts have been so effective at controlling foreset fires
    for the last 100 yrs, the tree density is obscenely unnaturally high. I've
    seen stands where trees are as close a foot apart! This is Conflagration
    City and is as risky as it gets. Expect more and bigger fires this year,
    cuz it's..... wait for it ...... THE WORST FIRE SEASON EVER!

    nb

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    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    sf wrote:
    > KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    > California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    > Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    > with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    > is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    > atmosphere.
    >
    > The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    > the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    > http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >
    >

    Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

    --
    Jean B.

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    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    sf wrote:
    > KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    > California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    > Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    > with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    > is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    > atmosphere.
    >
    > The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    > the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    > http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >
    >

    Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).

    --
    Jean B.

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    PeterLucas Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    notbob <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >>
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

    >
    > C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from
    > May-Nov. This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the
    > "worst fire season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground
    > cover (firefighting terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the
    > WFSE because all the existing ground cover is "extremely dry".




    Normal fuel loads for most areas is approx 5-6 tonnes per hectare.


    I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
    tph.


    **** happens.



    --
    Peter Lucas
    Brisbane
    Australia


    "Thirty seven years ago, a Quarter Master, nearly knocked me over as he
    thrust an L1A1 SLR into my hands and bellowed, "Keep that Rifle in Tip
    Top Order so you can Kill your Countries Enemies with it before they
    Kill You. These days, I do not have to visit exotic overseas countries
    as my Countries Enemies are seen wallowing around our seats of
    government, they guzzle and cavort at the Public trough so deeply they
    make Caligula and Nero look like Church choir boys."


    Mr Ron Owen, 2000, in a letter to then Premier Olsen.

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    PeterLucas Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    notbob <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >>
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

    >
    > C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from
    > May-Nov. This is not new or news. CA has a rainy Winter and it's the
    > "worst fire season ever" (WFSE) due to excessive new-growth ground
    > cover (firefighting terminology) and if CA has a dry Winter, it's the
    > WFSE because all the existing ground cover is "extremely dry".




    Normal fuel loads for most areas is approx 5-6 tonnes per hectare.


    I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
    tph.


    **** happens.



    --
    Peter Lucas
    Brisbane
    Australia


    "Thirty seven years ago, a Quarter Master, nearly knocked me over as he
    thrust an L1A1 SLR into my hands and bellowed, "Keep that Rifle in Tip
    Top Order so you can Kill your Countries Enemies with it before they
    Kill You. These days, I do not have to visit exotic overseas countries
    as my Countries Enemies are seen wallowing around our seats of
    government, they guzzle and cavort at the Public trough so deeply they
    make Caligula and Nero look like Church choir boys."


    Mr Ron Owen, 2000, in a letter to then Premier Olsen.

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    >> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    >> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    >> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    >> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    >> atmosphere.
    >>
    >> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    >> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    >> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >>
    >>

    >Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    >affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).


    When the air quality affects us on the foggy side of San Francisco,
    it's bad. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    >> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    >> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    >> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    >> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    >> atmosphere.
    >>
    >> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    >> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    >> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >>
    >>

    >Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    >affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).


    When the air quality affects us on the foggy side of San Francisco,
    it's bad. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    >> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    >> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    >> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    >> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    >> atmosphere.
    >>
    >> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    >> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    >> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >>
    >>

    >Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    >affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).


    When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
    Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
    and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
    really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
    see the sun and the sky is silver gray.


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:07:40 -0400, "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    >> California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    >> Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    >> with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    >> is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    >> atmosphere.
    >>
    >> The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    >> the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    >> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#
    >>
    >>

    >Oh my! The map really gives a grim picture. And that smoke is
    >affecting folks who live far away (e.g., Nevada).


    When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
    Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
    and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
    really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
    see the sun and the sky is silver gray.


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    sf <.> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > When the poor air quality affects us on the foggy side of San
    > Francisco, it's bad.... apparently winds are blowing from the North
    > and that's why. http://www.ktvu.com/news/16717109/detail.html It's
    > really weird. The sun is shining brightly, but look up - you can't
    > see the sun and the sky is silver gray.


    My wife, who is mildly asthmatic, was in Berkeley for the last few days
    at a workshop on health and the environment, of all things, and she said
    the ambient smoke was pretty bad.

    Her exact words were: "I went out this morning to get a coffee...it was
    smokey from the forest fires...I`ve been using my puffer, but that
    doesn`t keep my eyes from watering."

    She'll be flying out to Vancouver to spend a few days with my daughter,
    leaving in about three hours. I keep thinking that it'll be one of these
    hair-raising escapes, with the door of the airplane open as people are
    piling in and the flames are licking at the fuel tanks...:-) Suddenly,
    Ken Arrow appears out of nowhere and applies his impossibility theorem to
    the fire and snuffs it out, thus demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt
    that economists actually *have* a use in society ;-)

    Before anybody says anything, my wife is an economist. They talk a good
    line but we historians are harder to impress than that. We are very much
    aware that meteorologists have a better prediction rate than economists
    :-)


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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On 2008-06-26, PeterLucas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I'm in an area that has (at last observation 2 months ago) approx 55
    > tph.
    >
    >
    > **** happens.


    Yep. And CA'ians insist on building right smack dab in the middle of it and
    wonder why they get burned out, year after year. Duh.

    nb

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:26:07 -0500, Michel Boucher
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I keep thinking that it'll be one of these
    >hair-raising escapes, with the door of the airplane open as people are
    >piling in and the flames are licking at the fuel tanks...:-) Suddenly,
    >Ken Arrow appears out of nowhere and applies his impossibility theorem to
    >the fire and snuffs it out, thus demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt
    >that economists actually *have* a use in society ;-)


    The worst we have near the cities are brush fires and they're pretty
    far away. There was a big one last weekend between Fairfield and
    Vacaville last weekend.... the smoke and scorched earth went on for
    miles right next to the freeway.

    Don't worry, she won't need rescuing... and she'll fly to Vancouver!
    Love it there.


    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    notbob wrote:
    > On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

    >
    > C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.


    And WHY post it on a cooking group???
    ObFood- I recall how they fed the relief workers in New Orleans after
    Katrina. What a huge production that became! But some folks got some
    goooood eats from displaced chefs.

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    Lou Decruss Guest

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    On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:30:32 -0400, Goomba <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >notbob wrote:
    >> On 2008-06-26, sf <> wrote:
    >>> KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in

    >>
    >> C'mon sf.... there's a 1K wildfires burning in CA every year from May-Nov.

    >
    >And WHY post it on a cooking group???


    Obviously because she has no life and feels the left coast is the only
    place in the world that has natural disasters. Huge parts of the
    midwest are underwater at the moment including an incredible amount of
    farmland. But none of us needs to start a thread about it. I drove
    through it last weekend and it would have been close to being on
    topic, but we don't need to cry here. Just move on.

    Lou

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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:

    > And WHY post it on a cooking group???


    BBQ?

    nb

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    Blinky the Shark Guest

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    notbob wrote:

    > On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> And WHY post it on a cooking group???

    >
    > BBQ?


    Some of it might be mesquite.


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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires

    notbob wrote:
    > On 2008-06-26, Goomba <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> And WHY post it on a cooking group???

    >
    > BBQ?
    >
    > nb


    Good plan!
    Talk about "taking lemons and making lemonaid" (cliche food reference too!)

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    Nexis Guest

    Default Re: California wildfires


    "sf" <.> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >
    > KTVU just announced that we have over 1000 wild fires burning in
    > California right now. Today was declared an unhealthy air day.
    > Children and people with breathing problems are advised to stay inside
    > with the windows closed (our eyes have been burning for days). There
    > is a high overcast today. I guess it's really smoke in the upper
    > atmosphere.
    >
    > The fires range from Del Norte County to Monterey County (Big Sur and
    > the Ventana Wilderness have one each).
    > http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/#



    I read about the lightning that caused so many fires the other day. The
    current fires are a good distance from us, but we haven't forgotten the
    recent fires here in San Diego county, and I hope you and everyone in the
    region stay safe from their rampages.

    kimberly



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