Thread: Bertazzoni gas range

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
> and said he'd give me a good price.
> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>
> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
> makes the Ferrari.
>
> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
>
>


Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.

gloria p

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
> and said he'd give me a good price.
> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>
> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
> makes the Ferrari.
>
> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
>
>


Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.

gloria p

"Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ..
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
>> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
>> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>>
>> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
>> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>>
>> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
>> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
>> that makes the Ferrari.
>>
>> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
>
>
> Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
> It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
>
> gloria p

That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
price or a special order that would take weeks.

"Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ..
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
>> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
>> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>>
>> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
>> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>>
>> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
>> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
>> that makes the Ferrari.
>>
>> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
>
>
> Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
> It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
>
> gloria p

That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
price or a special order that would take weeks.

On Apr 30, 10:26�pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have one? �My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
> and said he'd give me a good price.http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. �Only drawback is
> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>
> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> business for 120 years. �They are made in Emilia Romagna, the samearea that
> makes the Ferrari.
>
> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

It's obviously a true commercial stove with no bells and whistles...
do you really need all that BTU power... you may need to redo your
kitchen to accomodate safe clearances and you will need the
recommended exhaust set up. Personally I wouldn't buy a stove for
home use that doesn't have a self clean oven, and I like and use all
the bells and whistles. Without knowing total price (including a
probable kitchen make over) it's not possible to give an honest
opinion. But I would strongly suggest checking out other commercial
stoves (not commercial *style*), and then seriously search your soul
for why you think you need such a powerful monster.

On Apr 30, 10:26�pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have one? �My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
> and said he'd give me a good price.http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
>
> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. �Only drawback is
> that the oven is not self cleaning.
>
> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> business for 120 years. �They are made in Emilia Romagna, the samearea that
> makes the Ferrari.
>
> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

It's obviously a true commercial stove with no bells and whistles...
do you really need all that BTU power... you may need to redo your
kitchen to accomodate safe clearances and you will need the
recommended exhaust set up. Personally I wouldn't buy a stove for
home use that doesn't have a self clean oven, and I like and use all
the bells and whistles. Without knowing total price (including a
probable kitchen make over) it's not possible to give an honest
opinion. But I would strongly suggest checking out other commercial
stoves (not commercial *style*), and then seriously search your soul
for why you think you need such a powerful monster.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ..
> > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
> >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
> >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
> >>
> >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
> >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
> >>
> >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
> >> that makes the Ferrari.
> >>
> >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
> >
> >
> > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
> > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
> 25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
> teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
> words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
> starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
> price or a special order that would take weeks.

Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ..
> > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
> >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
> >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
> >>
> >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
> >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
> >>
> >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
> >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
> >> that makes the Ferrari.
> >>
> >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
> >
> >
> > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
> > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
> 25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
> teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
> words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
> starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
> price or a special order that would take weeks.

Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

Pete C. wrote:

>
> Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

I remember having an Olivetti typewriter in high school for a short
time. It was a gorgeous, sleek design but a real lemon. The dealer
gave me a Smith Corona as an even exchange even thought it was more
expensive. He felt badly for having recommended the Olivetti.
Those were the days of customer service and merchants taking responsibility!

gloria p

Pete C. wrote:

>
> Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

I remember having an Olivetti typewriter in high school for a short
time. It was a gorgeous, sleek design but a real lemon. The dealer
gave me a Smith Corona as an even exchange even thought it was more
expensive. He felt badly for having recommended the Olivetti.
Those were the days of customer service and merchants taking responsibility!

gloria p

"Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.

We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
do the most complex rebuilding of any part.

"Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.

We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
do the most complex rebuilding of any part.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).
>
> One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
> electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
> now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.
>
> We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
> trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
> obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
> and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
> The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
> mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
> Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
> do the most complex rebuilding of any part.

The Italian lathe I mentioned had a tool turret design like not other...
and for good reason too, it looked elegant on the print, but when you
tried to adjust it and get it to work properly you realized why no other
CNC lathe builder used a design like it.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
> > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
> > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).
>
> One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
> electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
> now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.
>
> We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
> trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
> obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
> and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
> The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
> mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
> Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
> do the most complex rebuilding of any part.

The Italian lathe I mentioned had a tool turret design like not other...
and for good reason too, it looked elegant on the print, but when you
tried to adjust it and get it to work properly you realized why no other
CNC lathe builder used a design like it.

On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:26:50 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
>business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
>makes the Ferrari.

It's also home to the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood
education. Interesting area. http://www.italyworldclub.com/emilia/

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:26:50 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
>business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
>makes the Ferrari.

It's also home to the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood
education. Interesting area. http://www.italyworldclub.com/emilia/

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:21:09 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
>issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
>temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

I'm not buying that argument. Any unit with hard to replace parts
should be considered disposable and I wouldn't worry about it. How
often do you actually have to fix any unit (unless it's a piece of
cr*p) before it goes out of date? I've had my Thermadore cooktop for
30 years and it finally needs a burner to be replaced after constant
use. The only reason I haven't replaced the cooktop is because I
haven't moved. If I sold the house, I'd replace it. If I bought the
house, I'd replace it. As it is.... my cooktop is like an old friend.
I like it and it does what I want it to do.

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:21:09 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
>issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
>temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

I'm not buying that argument. Any unit with hard to replace parts
should be considered disposable and I wouldn't worry about it. How
often do you actually have to fix any unit (unless it's a piece of
cr*p) before it goes out of date? I've had my Thermadore cooktop for
30 years and it finally needs a burner to be replaced after constant
use. The only reason I haven't replaced the cooktop is because I
haven't moved. If I sold the house, I'd replace it. If I bought the
house, I'd replace it. As it is.... my cooktop is like an old friend.
I like it and it does what I want it to do.

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On Fri, 02 May 2008 02:21:48 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The most difficult problem is
>trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
>obsolete.

Well, obsolete is the *main* problem. Unless Seimens has taken a big
fall of late, they are highly regarded and completely reliable.

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