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  1. #1
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Bertazzoni gas range

    Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
    and said he'd give me a good price.
    http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47

    It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    that the oven is not self cleaning.

    Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
    makes the Ferrari.

    Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.



  2. #2
    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    > Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
    > and said he'd give me a good price.
    > http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >
    > It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    > that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >
    > Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
    > makes the Ferrari.
    >
    > Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
    >
    >



    Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.

    gloria p

  3. #3
    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    > Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
    > and said he'd give me a good price.
    > http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >
    > It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    > that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >
    > Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
    > makes the Ferrari.
    >
    > Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.
    >
    >



    Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.

    gloria p

  4. #4
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ..
    > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
    >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
    >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >>
    >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >>
    >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
    >> that makes the Ferrari.
    >>
    >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

    >
    >
    > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
    >
    > gloria p


    That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
    25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
    teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
    words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
    starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
    price or a special order that would take weeks.



  5. #5
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ..
    > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
    >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
    >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >>
    >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >>
    >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
    >> that makes the Ferrari.
    >>
    >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

    >
    >
    > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
    >
    > gloria p


    That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
    25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
    teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
    words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
    starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
    price or a special order that would take weeks.



  6. #6
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Apr 30, 10:26�pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
    > Does anyone have one? �My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
    > and said he'd give me a good price.http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >
    > It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. �Only drawback is
    > that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >
    > Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > business for 120 years. �They are made in Emilia Romagna, the samearea that
    > makes the Ferrari.
    >
    > Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.


    It's obviously a true commercial stove with no bells and whistles...
    do you really need all that BTU power... you may need to redo your
    kitchen to accomodate safe clearances and you will need the
    recommended exhaust set up. Personally I wouldn't buy a stove for
    home use that doesn't have a self clean oven, and I like and use all
    the bells and whistles. Without knowing total price (including a
    probable kitchen make over) it's not possible to give an honest
    opinion. But I would strongly suggest checking out other commercial
    stoves (not commercial *style*), and then seriously search your soul
    for why you think you need such a powerful monster.

  7. #7
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Apr 30, 10:26�pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
    > Does anyone have one? �My local appliance dealer has this one of the floor
    > and said he'd give me a good price.http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    >
    > It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. �Only drawback is
    > that the oven is not self cleaning.
    >
    > Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > business for 120 years. �They are made in Emilia Romagna, the samearea that
    > makes the Ferrari.
    >
    > Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.


    It's obviously a true commercial stove with no bells and whistles...
    do you really need all that BTU power... you may need to redo your
    kitchen to accomodate safe clearances and you will need the
    recommended exhaust set up. Personally I wouldn't buy a stove for
    home use that doesn't have a self clean oven, and I like and use all
    the bells and whistles. Without knowing total price (including a
    probable kitchen make over) it's not possible to give an honest
    opinion. But I would strongly suggest checking out other commercial
    stoves (not commercial *style*), and then seriously search your soul
    for why you think you need such a powerful monster.

  8. #8
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >
    > "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ..
    > > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    > >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
    > >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
    > >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    > >>
    > >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    > >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
    > >>
    > >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
    > >> that makes the Ferrari.
    > >>
    > >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

    > >
    > >
    > > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    > > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
    > >
    > > gloria p

    >
    > That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
    > 25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
    > teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
    > words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
    > starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
    > price or a special order that would take weeks.


    Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

  9. #9
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >
    > "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ..
    > > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    > >> Does anyone have one? My local appliance dealer has this one of the
    > >> floor and said he'd give me a good price.
    > >> http://www.bertazzoni-italia.com/Pro...CatID=PS&ID=47
    > >>
    > >> It is a rather beefy looking unit, very well finished. Only drawback is
    > >> that the oven is not self cleaning.
    > >>
    > >> Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    > >> business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area
    > >> that makes the Ferrari.
    > >>
    > >> Other brands under consideration so far are Kitchen Aid and Bosch.

    > >
    > >
    > > Does your local dealer service it? Do they stock parts?
    > > It does look robust, but ablity to get service is very important.
    > >
    > > gloria p

    >
    > That is a concern that I've not resolved yet. The other nearest dealers are
    > 25 to 35 miles away. I've not done the parts test yet. When my son was a
    > teenager, he always wanted to buy some fancy car on sale for $200 or so. My
    > words of wisdom to him was "call the auto parts store and ask how much a
    > starter (or alternator, etc) would cost". The Reply was often a very high
    > price or a special order that would take weeks.


    Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

  10. #10
    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    Pete C. wrote:

    >
    > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    I remember having an Olivetti typewriter in high school for a short
    time. It was a gorgeous, sleek design but a real lemon. The dealer
    gave me a Smith Corona as an even exchange even thought it was more
    expensive. He felt badly for having recommended the Olivetti.
    Those were the days of customer service and merchants taking responsibility!

    gloria p

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    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    Pete C. wrote:

    >
    > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    I remember having an Olivetti typewriter in high school for a short
    time. It was a gorgeous, sleek design but a real lemon. The dealer
    gave me a Smith Corona as an even exchange even thought it was more
    expensive. He felt badly for having recommended the Olivetti.
    Those were the days of customer service and merchants taking responsibility!

    gloria p

  12. #12
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
    electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
    now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.

    We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
    trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
    obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
    and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
    The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
    mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
    Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
    do the most complex rebuilding of any part.



  13. #13
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
    electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
    now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.

    We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
    trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
    obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
    and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
    The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
    mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
    Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
    do the most complex rebuilding of any part.



  14. #14
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >
    > "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

    >
    > One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
    > electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
    > now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.
    >
    > We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
    > trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
    > obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
    > and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
    > The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
    > mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
    > Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
    > do the most complex rebuilding of any part.


    The Italian lathe I mentioned had a tool turret design like not other...
    and for good reason too, it looked elegant on the print, but when you
    tried to adjust it and get it to work properly you realized why no other
    CNC lathe builder used a design like it.

  15. #15
    Pete C. Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range


    Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
    >
    > "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    > > issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    > > temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).

    >
    > One of the things I like about this is the fact that it does not have an
    > electronic control panel that will cost $1500 to replace five years from
    > now. Burner controls are fairly simple and last for decades.
    >
    > We have four Italian built machines at work. The most difficult problem is
    > trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
    > obsolete. Getting further off topic, we had a service tech from Italy here
    > and two service techs from Austria to work on their respective machines.
    > The differences in how they work is much different. The Italian does
    > mechanical work and if we need electronic help they'd send another. The
    > Austrian's can build or repair any of their machines from ground up and can
    > do the most complex rebuilding of any part.


    The Italian lathe I mentioned had a tool turret design like not other...
    and for good reason too, it looked elegant on the print, but when you
    tried to adjust it and get it to work properly you realized why no other
    CNC lathe builder used a design like it.

  16. #16
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:26:50 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    >business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
    >makes the Ferrari.


    It's also home to the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood
    education. Interesting area. http://www.italyworldclub.com/emilia/

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Thu, 01 May 2008 02:26:50 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Until yesterday I had never heard of Bertazzoni, but they have been in
    >business for 120 years. They are made in Emilia Romagna, the same area that
    >makes the Ferrari.


    It's also home to the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood
    education. Interesting area. http://www.italyworldclub.com/emilia/

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:21:09 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    >issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    >temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    I'm not buying that argument. Any unit with hard to replace parts
    should be considered disposable and I wouldn't worry about it. How
    often do you actually have to fix any unit (unless it's a piece of
    cr*p) before it goes out of date? I've had my Thermadore cooktop for
    30 years and it finally needs a burner to be replaced after constant
    use. The only reason I haven't replaced the cooktop is because I
    haven't moved. If I sold the house, I'd replace it. If I bought the
    house, I'd replace it. As it is.... my cooktop is like an old friend.
    I like it and it does what I want it to do.

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Bertazzoni gas range

    On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:21:09 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >Exactly, it might be a nice unit, but parts and service can be a real
    >issue. That and some Italian made machines can be rather odd and
    >temperamental to work on (try an Olivetti CNC lathe some time...).


    I'm not buying that argument. Any unit with hard to replace parts
    should be considered disposable and I wouldn't worry about it. How
    often do you actually have to fix any unit (unless it's a piece of
    cr*p) before it goes out of date? I've had my Thermadore cooktop for
    30 years and it finally needs a burner to be replaced after constant
    use. The only reason I haven't replaced the cooktop is because I
    haven't moved. If I sold the house, I'd replace it. If I bought the
    house, I'd replace it. As it is.... my cooktop is like an old friend.
    I like it and it does what I want it to do.

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  20. #20
    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 02 May 2008 02:21:48 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >The most difficult problem is
    >trying to replace the Seimens made screen for the control panel that is now
    >obsolete.


    Well, obsolete is the *main* problem. Unless Seimens has taken a big
    fall of late, they are highly regarded and completely reliable.

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