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    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    both too old to have an apreciation.

    But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    your steak?'

    What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    cheese?] and braised or broiled.

    Jim

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    Andy Guest

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    Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded

    steak, topped
    > with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something,

    [shrimp?
    > cheese?] and braised or broiled.



    Jim,

    I imagine you'd cook them separately for thorough doneness.

    Then shred them together with caramelized onions and cheese
    and pile it into a hoagie roll. Like a combo chicken and
    steak cheesesteak.

    Or an improvised shepherd's pie?

    Or not.

    A not-so-exhaustive ingredient search at allrecipes yielded
    no recipes using the "turducken style" technique you
    described. Beef and chicken did turn up recipes using ground
    beef and chicken. Certainly not what you're trying to
    achieve.

    Good luck,

    Best,

    Andy

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    Sqwertz Guest

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    On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

    > So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    > both too old to have an apreciation.
    >
    > But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    > your steak?'
    >
    > What am I thinking of?


    A traditional Bedouin wedding dish is to stuff a bunch of shrimp into
    boneless whole chickens. Then stick the chickens into a semi-boneless
    cow and tie shut. Throw it on the BBQ or bury it in the ground and
    cover with hot coals for 2-3 days. Skin and serve sliced. (*)

    -sw

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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    > both too old to have an apreciation.
    >
    > But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    > your steak?'
    >
    > What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    > with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    > cheese?] and braised or broiled.
    >


    You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    and cheese but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braciola

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    Michael Kuettner Guest

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    "sf" schrieb :

    >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:


    >> So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    >> both too old to have an apreciation.

    >
    >> But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    >> your steak?'

    >
    >> What am I thinking of?


    Some strange USAn dish ?

    >> Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    >> with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    >> cheese?] and braised or broiled.

    >


    > You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    > and cheese

    breaded and fried. So - NO, no cordon bleu. But you wouldn't know that.

    > but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    > Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braciola


    Do you even read your links ?
    No weird concoction like beef wrapped with chicken in there.
    You wouldn't know a Roulade if it kicked you in the ass, it seems.

    Cheers,

    Michael Kuettner




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    l, not -l Guest

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    On 31-Jan-2012, "Michael Kuettner" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Some strange USAn dish ?


    Assuming you are trying for a polically correct term to replace American,
    the correct term is Usonian.

    "Of or relating to the United States of America. " -
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Usonian


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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:23:38 +0100, "Michael Kuettner"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "sf" schrieb :
    >
    > >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    > >> wrote:

    >
    > >> So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    > >> both too old to have an apreciation.

    > >
    > >> But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    > >> your steak?'

    > >
    > >> What am I thinking of?

    >
    > Some strange USAn dish ?
    >
    > >> Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    > >> with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    > >> cheese?] and braised or broiled.

    > >

    >
    > > You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    > > and cheese

    > breaded and fried. So - NO, no cordon bleu. But you wouldn't know that.
    >
    > > but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    > > Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braciola

    >
    > Do you even read your links ?
    > No weird concoction like beef wrapped with chicken in there.
    > You wouldn't know a Roulade if it kicked you in the ass, it seems.
    >


    Dear Asshole Kuettner

    Get a ****ing life.

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    Steve Pope Guest

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    In article <jg9l37$4f3$[email protected]>, l, not -l <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 31-Jan-2012, "Michael Kuettner" <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> Some strange USAn dish ?


    >Assuming you are trying for a polically correct term to replace American,
    >the correct term is Usonian.


    Around here the politically correct term is "Occupied Mexico".



    Steve

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    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    >wrote:

    -snip-
    >>
    >> What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    >> with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    >> cheese?] and braised or broiled.
    >>

    >
    >You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    >and cheese but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    >Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen


    Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to get
    there.

    Thanks,
    Jim

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    BillyZoom Guest

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    On Jan 31, 12:01*pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <elbre...@email.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    > > both too old to have an apreciation.

    >
    > > But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    > > your steak?'

    >
    > > What am I thinking of? * Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    > > with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    > > cheese?] and braised or broiled.

    >
    > You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    > and cheese but there's more. *Rolled meats in general are called
    > Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulade.../wiki/Braciola
    >
    > --
    >
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    How old are you? I thought you were just stupid, but now you're
    sounding kind of senile. Chicken Cordon Bleu. Yeah, that REALLY sounds
    like what was described.

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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:19:58 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    > chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to get
    > there.
    >
    > Thanks,


    You're welcome. I was thinking that what you remembered might have
    been an invention of that particular chef.

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    Brooklyn1 Guest

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    Jim Elbrecht wrote:
    >
    >So I was telling my wife about the french-fry pizza & apparently we're
    >both too old to have an apreciation.
    >
    >But she said- 'Why would you do that, it is like pitting chicken on
    >your steak?'
    >
    >What am I thinking of?


    Easy peasy... TIAD!

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    Nunya Bidnits Guest

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    Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    > chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to get
    > there.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Jim


    But the question is, why would you want to?



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    Jim Elbrecht Guest

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    On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:06:13 -0600, "Nunya Bidnits"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    >> chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to get
    >> there.
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >> Jim

    >
    >But the question is, why would you want to?


    Oh, I'm with you there-- It just came to me when my wife said that
    fries on a pizza was like chicken on steak-- not something she [we]
    would eat-- but I was trying to think of the chicken on a steak dish.

    Jim

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    Michel Boucher Guest

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    Bicken? Cheef?

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    that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy
    without condition, and then admit that we just don’t
    want to do it.

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    l, not -l Guest

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    On 31-Jan-2012, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Oh, I'm with you there-- It just came to me when my wife said that
    > fries on a pizza was like chicken on steak-- not something she [we]
    > would eat-- but I was trying to think of the chicken on a steak dish.
    >
    > Jim


    you sure it wasn't chicken on a stick? Marinated chicken strips on a skewer
    and grilled.
    --

    Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

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    z z Guest

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    I used to make the following quite often-it is from my Pillsbury
    cookbook of 1979.

    Chicken Elegante-it is an attractive dish.

    8 sliced Dried Beef

    4 whole chicken breasts, boned and halved

    10 3/4 oz condensed cream of mushroom soup

    1 cup dairy sour cream

    1/2 cup slivered almonds

    1/3 cup bacon bits (I think I skipped this)

    Preheat oven 325 degrees F

    Roll one slice of dried beef around each chicken fillet

    Arrange in 13x9 or 3 quart casserole dish

    Combine condensed soup and sour cream
    Pour over chicken

    Sprinkle with almonds and bacon bits

    Bake covered for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours


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    David Dyer-Bennet Guest

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    Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> writes:

    > sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:

    > -snip-
    >>>
    >>> What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak, topped
    >>> with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something, [shrimp?
    >>> cheese?] and braised or broiled.
    >>>

    >>
    >>You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    >>and cheese but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    >>Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen

    >
    > Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    > chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to get
    > there.


    The big name recently in this general area is "turducken", which is a
    turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken.
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    Nunya Bidnits Guest

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    David Dyer-Bennet <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> -snip-
    >>>>
    >>>> What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak,
    >>>> topped with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something,
    >>>> [shrimp? cheese?] and braised or broiled.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    >>> and cheese but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    >>> Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen

    >>
    >> Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    >> chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to
    >> get there.

    >
    > The big name recently in this general area is "turducken", which is a
    > turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken.


    Turducken is nothing new. In fact it closely resembles medieval high cuisine
    techniques. Frankly I think it's a crude concept.

    However I have seen the dish modified to use meat from the three birds
    pounded out and the whole thing rolled with stuffing or crumbled sausage
    between the layers. It makes a lot more sense because otherwise the
    traditional dish is a nightmare of uneven temperatures.

    MartyB



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    David Dyer-Bennet Guest

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    "Nunya Bidnits" <[email protected]> writes:

    > David Dyer-Bennet <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> writes:
    >>
    >>> sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:48:15 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> -snip-
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What am I thinking of? Seems like there *is* a pounded steak,
    >>>>> topped with a pounded chicken, then wrapped around something,
    >>>>> [shrimp? cheese?] and braised or broiled.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> You could be thinking of chicken cordon bleu, which is chicken, ham
    >>>> and cheese but there's more. Rolled meats in general are called
    >>>> Roulade/Rouladen or Braciole.
    >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouladen
    >>>
    >>> Rouladen may well be what I was thinking of, though I don't see a
    >>> chicken/beef one on the web-- but it seems like a small stretch to
    >>> get there.

    >>
    >> The big name recently in this general area is "turducken", which is a
    >> turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken.

    >
    > Turducken is nothing new. In fact it closely resembles medieval high cuisine
    > techniques. Frankly I think it's a crude concept.


    I haven't actually had it; it strikes me more as a stunt than a
    brilliant idea.

    > However I have seen the dish modified to use meat from the three birds
    > pounded out and the whole thing rolled with stuffing or crumbled sausage
    > between the layers. It makes a lot more sense because otherwise the
    > traditional dish is a nightmare of uneven temperatures.


    If the purpose is the combination of flavors rather than the stunt, yes.
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