Thread: BBQ

"sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
> Bar-B-Que?
>
> LOL, how times have changed!

How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:08:43 -0700, sf wrote:

> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty Davis,
> Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a Bar-B-Que?
>
What was the answer in the movie?

Brian Christiansen

On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:11:40 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>
>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>> Bar-B-Que?
>>
>> LOL, how times have changed!
>
> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

A barbecue is an event. Not a cooking utensil, nor the food.

TFM®

TFM® wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:11:40 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup
>> and we could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device
>> used for cooking the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> A barbecue is an event. Not a cooking utensil, nor the food.

Yup. A barbecue is an event, whereas barbecue is the product of a specific
cooking method.

--
Dave
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problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."-Robert Heinlein

TFM® <[email protected]> wrote:

>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?

>A barbecue is an event. Not a cooking utensil, nor the food.

I agree. Whereas "barbecue" (without the indefinite article)
is a cooking method. "What is a barbecue" is one question;
"what is barbecue" is a different question with a different
answer.


Steve

On 8/8/11 9:11 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "sf"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>
>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>> Bar-B-Que?
>>
>> LOL, how times have changed!
>
> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

Newsflash: In the English language, a word can have multiple meanings.

Barbecue is one such word.


- Peter

"TFM®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:11:40 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
>> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for
>> cooking
>> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> A barbecue is an event. Not a cooking utensil, nor the food.

It can be. But people also go to buy a barbecue grill. But then there are
grills that are not barbecues.

I remember when I was first married, my MIL and nephew came with me to help
me move in. We had just gotten military housing. My husband was away at
school and due to come home that night. My MIL asked what I was making? We
had only bought enough food for a few days because we had to take them back
home to PA and were planning to stay there for a few days. So I said I was
making some sort of pie. I can't remember the name of the recipe. I don't
think it was cottage pie but it was in an old cookbook. I believe this
recipe had just ground beef, onions and maybe gravy with a mashed potato
topping. I don't recall any veggies being in the dish aside from the
onions. Anyway... She asked me if he liked this? I didn't know. I had
never made it before. To which she replied... "You should just make a
barbecue." Yes! *A* barbecue. As if that should have meant something to
me. It didn't. When I asked her what that was, she just gave me a look
like I was stupid.

She knew we didn't own a BBQ grill. So it couldn't have been that. And I
still don't know what she meant. Although at times I have seen her take
meat, usually leftover, mix it with BBQ sauce and serve it on Bulky Rolls.
Perhaps it is a PA food? I think the Bulky Rolls are. We have the same
sort of looking rolls here but they are called Kaiser. They are like a
hamburger bun but the top is twisted. And I believe the texture is not as
soft. Or perhaps I just had stale ones.

"Peter Lawrence" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 8/8/11 9:11 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "sf"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
>> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for
>> cooking
>> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> Newsflash: In the English language, a word can have multiple meanings.
>
> Barbecue is one such word.

Exactly! Which is why I asked her how times have changed.

I just looked it up on Wikiepedia and it said it could refer to an event,
the food or the cooking device.

I am curious to know what was meant in the movie.

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>
>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>> Bar-B-Que?
>>
>> LOL, how times have changed!
>
> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

Or the method of cooking the food?

"Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
>> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for
>> cooking the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> Or the method of cooking the food?

That too.

On 09/08/2011 12:08 AM, sf wrote:
>
> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
> Bar-B-Que?
>
> LOL, how times have changed!
>

Around here, A BBQ is an outdoor grill, charcoal or gas, and a BBQ
dinner is one that has been cooked on the grill. My niece`s husband is
from North Carolina and according to him, BBQ is not only a particular
style of outdoor cooker, but a particular meal cooked on it.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Around here, A BBQ is an outdoor grill, charcoal or gas, and a BBQ
> dinner is one that has been cooked on the grill.

Same as here.
--
ViLco
Let the liquor do the thinking

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>
>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>> Bar-B-Que?
>>
>> LOL, how times have changed!
>
> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

Times have changed because back then some people didn't know what BBQ was.
Now everybody knows what it means, but only what it means to themselves, as
people think it means many different things.

Pico Rico wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup
>> and we could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device
>> used for cooking the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> Times have changed because back then some people didn't know what BBQ
> was. Now everybody knows what it means, but only what it means to
> themselves, as people think it means many different things.

Words lke BBQ and B-B-Que and Bar-Be-Que are visual, artifacts of the neon
sign world. When you say the word barbecue to someone in any context, verb
or noun, denoting an activity, event, or food, you aren't saying BBQ or
Bar-B-Que. You are saying either barbecue or barbeque depending on how you
spell it (the former being correct, of course... heh...). But nobody says
"bee bee cue".So some of these visually oriented creations aren't really
part of the discussion, they are just names or sign descriptions of
businesses and events, a way of condensing a word to make it look better and
attract attention when promoting something.

As far as the words barbecue and barbeque, the meaning is flexible and is
determined by context and syntax.

And devices used for creating barbecued foods are known as smokers and
grills. Period.

;-)

Unless it's done in your indoor oven or crockpot, then it is not barbecue.

<ducking>

MartyB

On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:11:40 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>>
>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>> Bar-B-Que?
>>
>> LOL, how times have changed!
>
> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.

It's also a social gathering where people cook outdoors. All of them
are correct.

The real argument is the distinction between grilling and barbecuing.
Whichi I don't argue. Call it what you want. I use the term
"smoking" to describe the process of slow cooking barbecue. It
doesn't leave room for arguing.

-sw

-sw

On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:58:56 -0400, TFM® wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:11:40 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>> Watching an old movie "on demand" called Petrified Forest (Betty
>>> Davis, Leslie Howard) and one of the lines was "What, exactly, is a
>>> Bar-B-Que?
>>>
>>> LOL, how times have changed!
>>
>> How have they changed? This question came up on another newsgroup and we
>> could never agree on an answer. Some say it is the device used for cooking
>> the food. Some say it is the type of food served.
>
> A barbecue is an event. Not a cooking utensil, nor the food.

Not in Pittsburgh. It's cheap, thinly sliced chip chopped ham
simmered in BBQ sauce and served on a hamburger bun.

It's an event, a cooking apparatus, and a type of food - often cooked
in a Crock pot.

-sw

On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 05:11:04 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:


> I agree. Whereas "barbecue" (without the indefinite article)
> is a cooking method. "What is a barbecue" is one question;
> "what is barbecue" is a different question with a different
> answer.

And this is what makes English the hardest language to learn. There
are so many unwritten rules and exceptions to the existing rules.

-sw

On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:26:31 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> I can't remember the name of the recipe. I don't
> think it was cottage pie but it was in an old cookbook. I believe this
> recipe had just ground beef, onions and maybe gravy with a mashed potato
> topping.

Shepard's Pie.

> Yes! *A* barbecue. As if that should have meant something to
> me. It didn't. When I asked her what that was, she just gave me a look
> like I was stupid.
>
> She knew we didn't own a BBQ grill. So it couldn't have been that. And I
> still don't know what she meant. Although at times I have seen her take
> meat, usually leftover, mix it with BBQ sauce and serve it on Bulky Rolls.
> Perhaps it is a PA food?

See my previous post for the Eastern PA (at least) definition of
"barbecue". I don't know if Isaly's had stores/restaurants in
western PA or not. They are probably more nationally well-known for
inventing Klondikes

-sw

On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:21:30 -0700, Peter Lawrence wrote:


> Newsflash: In the English language, a word can have multiple meanings.
>
> Barbecue is one such word.

I totally agree. And this one has regional meanings, too. From all
over the world. I'm kinda sick of hearing the argument.

-sw