Thread: America, in September 11th remembrance:

On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>
> Flying the American flag at half mast.
> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the park.
> Seen here:
>
> http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>
> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those who
> did.

Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was on
my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to about
50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a nurse
"Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had been
hit by planes before without total devastation.

There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to visit
with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades, while he and
his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was not up to
driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit me when
they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag outside my house
but was unable to buy one for weeks.


--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not* [email protected]

On Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:42:23 PM UTC-5, James Silverton wrote:
> On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
> > America, in September 11th remembrance:
> >
> > Flying the American flag at half mast.
> > Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the park..
> > Seen here:
> >
> > http://alturl.com/3f3p8
> >
> > I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those who
> > did.
>
> Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was on
> my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to about
> 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a nurse
> "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had been
> hit by planes before without total devastation.
>
> There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to visit
> with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades, while he and
> his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was not up to
> driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit me when
> they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag outside my house
> but was unable to buy one for weeks.
>
The U.S.A. state sponsor of terror in Guatemala, Chile, Afghanistan, and supporter of Saddam Hussein in his murderous endeavors can dish it out without any apologies, but goes cry-babying when a mere 2700 of our nationals arekilled. Every single person who died or was hurt, or had a loved one who was, is a tragedy, but buy a flag?
PUH-LEEESE. The bully got kicked in the shins. I'd never minimize the heroism of those first responders and the passengers who brought down Flight 97, but the organization that planned the attacks grew out of groups of terrorists that the USA trained and equipped to carry out terrorism against theSoviet allied government in Afghanistan. Islamic terrorists.
The life of an American civilian non-combatant is neither qualitatively norquantitatively of more value than that of a Salvadoran peasant farmer. A suicide bomber who targeted innocent Americans was no more immoral than a member of a death squad who tortured innocent Hondurans.

>
> James Silverton

--Bryan

I remember I was unemployed on 9/11/01, and had woken up shortly after
9AM and logged onto AOL to check on some resumes I had posted to
online recruiting firms when the AOL welcome page showed the WTC on
fire. I spent the day in front of the TV watching it. The thing I
most remember from the TV coverage is that most of the cable channels
had switched to coverage on news channels. For example, if you turned
on ESPN, you got the ABC feed with Peter Jennines, and if you turned
on the Food Network, they had a feed for Fox News or CNN or one of the
big three Networks. I remember there were five or six channels, ABC,
NBC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC and CNN, and virtually all of the cable
channels (premiums like HBO excepted) were running a feed from one of
those channels. QVC was closed down for several days after 9/11.

James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
>> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>>
>> Flying the American flag at half mast.
>> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the
>> park. Seen here:
>>
>> http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>>
>> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those
>> who did.
>
> Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was
> on my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to
> about 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a
> nurse "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had
> been hit by planes before without total devastation.
>
> There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to
> visit with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades,
> while he and his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was
> not up to driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit
> me when they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag
> outside my house but was unable to buy one for weeks.


James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
>> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>>
>> Flying the American flag at half mast.
>> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the
>> park. Seen here:
>>
>> http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>>
>> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those
>> who did.
>
> Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was
> on my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to
> about 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a
> nurse "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had
> been hit by planes before without total devastation.
>
> There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to
> visit with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades,
> while he and his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was
> not up to driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit
> me when they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag
> outside my house but was unable to buy one for weeks.


James,

In 2005, a friend came to Philly for a vacation, so I planned a day trip
to NYC.

Aside from many sights to see, I was somehow drawn to see Ground Zero. It
was a deep square pit. We walked around the block then walked over to St.
Paul's Chapel and wrote thoughts and prayers on a large hanging scrolling
roll of paper

One thing which I didn't appreciate was foreigners from some Asian
country who set up souvenir stands. Not even stands but blankets on the
sidewalks. There were signs prominently posted discouraging the pubic
from buying anything from them. Not wanting them to profit from the
tragedy.

Just being at Ground Zero was a sad enough "souvenir." I didn't even take
pictures.

Best,

Andy

On Sep 11, 7:34*pm, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> James Silverton <not.jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
> >> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>
> >> Flying the American flag at half mast.
> >> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the
> >> park. Seen here:
>
> >>http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>
> >> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those
> >> who did.
>
> > Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> > was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was
> > on my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to
> > about 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a
> > nurse "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had
> > been hit by planes before without total devastation.
>
> > There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to
> > visit with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades,
> > while he and his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was
> > not up to driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit
> > me when they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag
> > outside my house but was unable to buy one for weeks.
> James Silverton <not.jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On 9/11/2011 10:32 AM, Andy wrote:
> >> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>
> >> Flying the American flag at half mast.
> >> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the
> >> park. Seen here:
>
> >>http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>
> >> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those
> >> who did.
>
> > Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> > was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was
> > on my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to
> > about 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a
> > nurse "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had
> > been hit by planes before without total devastation.
>
> > There was a later real inconvenience for me since I was unable to
> > visit with a German acquaintance, whom I had not seen in decades,
> > while he and his wife were spending a little time in Illinois. I was
> > not up to driving there and they could not make a reservation to visit
> > me when they returned to Germany. I also wanted to fly the flag
> > outside my house but was unable to buy one for weeks.
>
> James,
>
> In 2005, a friend came to Philly for a vacation, so I planned a day trip
> to NYC.
>
> Aside from many sights to see, I was somehow drawn to see Ground Zero. It
> was a deep square pit. We walked around the block then walked over to St.
> Paul's Chapel and wrote thoughts and prayers on a large hanging scrolling
> roll of paper
>

I went to NYC in the summer of 2006, and the thing that disappointed
me the most about Ground Zero is that it was still a giant hole in the
ground. We built the Empire State Building in just over one year, and
in five years all they did at Ground Zero was dig a 60 feet hole in
the ground.

On 9/11/2011 8:02 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:

> I went to NYC in the summer of 2006, and the thing that disappointed
> me the most about Ground Zero is that it was still a giant hole in the
> ground. We built the Empire State Building in just over one year, and
> in five years all they did at Ground Zero was dig a 60 feet hole in
> the ground.

At that point the families of the people who died had finally
agreed to a design. Right or wrong, it wasn't just a matter
of putting up a tall building.

nancy

On 9/11/2011 2:02 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
> I went to NYC in the summer of 2006, and the thing that disappointed
> me the most about Ground Zero is that it was still a giant hole in the
> ground. We built the Empire State Building in just over one year, and
> in five years all they did at Ground Zero was dig a 60 feet hole in
> the ground.

Quite a radical concept - digging pits in some of the most expensive
real estate in the universe. The event was so traumatic that it overcame
even American greed and propensity towards excess. It's pretty much a
miracle of sorts.

On 9/11/2011 9:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/11/2011 2:02 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>> I went to NYC in the summer of 2006, and the thing that disappointed
>> me the most about Ground Zero is that it was still a giant hole in the
>> ground. We built the Empire State Building in just over one year, and
>> in five years all they did at Ground Zero was dig a 60 feet hole in
>> the ground.
>
> Quite a radical concept - digging pits in some of the most expensive
> real estate in the universe. The event was so traumatic that it overcame
> even American greed and propensity towards excess. It's pretty much a
> miracle of sorts.

Not to mention that they weren't just digging a hole. They
were sifting through it, not to be too graphic.

nancy

I watched the World Trade Center buildings as they went up. I grew up on
the west bank of the Hudson River.

I was in New York City on September 6 showing the city to some
Californian friends. I insisted we take the Staten Island Ferry, one of
my favorite rides, back from The Battery instead of one of the tunnels.
We had been on the Lower East Side and had purchased canoli at
Ferrara's. We got coffee on the ferry and indulged in out treats. I took
several photos of the buildings on Manhattan Island from the ferry.
Several were published.

On September 11 we were in Hershey, PA when the planes hit the towers.
We had satellite TV and were watching the Fox network in NYC when it
happened.

Our daughter who was killed in an auto accident in 1996 was dating a
young man whom we knew had graduated college and taken a job with a
financial firm located at the World Trade Center. For three years, we
tuned to the 9/11 memorial ceremonies hoping to *not* hear his name.
Thankfully, we never did. My son-in-law lost several friends. The
tragedy was that there could be no funerals until the remains were
located. Can you imagine losing a loved one and not having the closure
of a funeral? It is too horrible to even think about.

I have been to the Battery several times since the tragedy and I can't
help but burst into tears at the sight of the space where the buildings
should be.

I can't watch TV today. It makes me cry.

Some people will think of this event as "history". I can't stop taking
it personally.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 9/11/2011 9:32 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I watched the World Trade Center buildings as they went up. I grew up
> on the west bank of the Hudson River.

snip...
> I can't watch TV today. It makes me cry.
>
> Some people will think of this event as "history". I can't stop
> taking it personally.
>

People have been talking about 9/11 for over a week. I could not watch
television yesterday, because it is too painful, and I stayed home from
church, because the sermon was about 9/11.

Becca

ObFood: This afternoon, we will roll tamales, then I will make refried
beans and Spanish rice. My son, who is visiting, will make chile con
queso. That is what's for dinner tonight.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Me too and my recollections are rather trivial. I know exactly where I
> was when I heard the news of the Towers attack on my car radio. I was on
> my way to a doctor's appointment and I can place the location to about
> 50 yards. I was not told the full horror until I remarked to a nurse
> "Well, now they know what Allah thinks of them." Skyscrapers had been
> hit by planes before without total devastation.

We had moved to Seattle only a few months before and my wife had only
been working downtown a few days. We turned on the TV to see the
traffic reports and saw the first tower in flames instead. I pointed
out to my wife that the towers were designed to stay standing after
being hit by a 707 but planes today were bigger. I hoped and expected
the tower would stand but I was not certain. Then the second plane
hit Tower Two on live national TV.

The first thing I thought was at the Oklahoma bombing people thought it
would be Jihadist terrorists and they had been wrong. One year before
there had been riots with domestic bombings over the World Trade
Organization meeting in Seattle. World Trade Organization, World Trade
Center. Oh no, Seattle is also in the cross hairs. No *way* is my wife
going down town to work in one of the Seattle high rises.

Then I thought. Hey, that did not look like a cargo plane. For many
years I had worried about a cargo plane being hijacked and crashed into
a stadium. This is and is not that scenario, both at the same time.

One of my wife's friends was on the floor hit by the first plane. He
always came to the office early. Gone in a flash never to be heard from
again.

A couple of acquaintences from my prior employer worked in the lower
floors of the towers. Both had slept in and seen the fire from home.
One went to the alternate data center across the river and started
working. His email came in quickly. The other was an EMT who donated
blood and got in line at one of the triage centers. There were not
enough injured to need all of the emergency medical centers that
appeared out of the blue as every EMT in the city got together to set
them up. Colleagues were very worried until his first email came
through.

One of my nephews has a framed ticket from Flight 93. His business trip
had been cancelled last minute so he was not on the plane.

In article <4e6d6f23$0$25621$c3e8da3$[email protected] om>,
Janet Wilder <[email protected]> wrote:

> Some people will think of this event as "history". I can't stop taking
> it personally.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

Join the club... Every time I watch a movie that shows the skyline with
the two towers still there gets to me and makes me want to cry. I cried
a lot that morning.

We were not even watching TV that morning. One of the cats stepped on
the remote control on the coffee table in the livingroom. I was messing
around on usenet when I heard mom yelling about something so went out
and saw what was going on.

I had the unfortunate experience of watching both towers come down on
live feed.

<sighs>

I did not have a flag pole at the time. We erected one the next day
with the date carved into the concrete base.
--
Peace, Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:47:41 -0500, Ema Nymton <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 9/11/2011 9:32 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> I watched the World Trade Center buildings as they went up. I grew up
>> on the west bank of the Hudson River.
>
>snip...
>> I can't watch TV today. It makes me cry.
>>
>> Some people will think of this event as "history". I can't stop
>> taking it personally.
>>
>
>People have been talking about 9/11 for over a week. I could not watch
>television yesterday, because it is too painful, and I stayed home from
>church, because the sermon was about 9/11.
>
>Becca

I finally had to turn off the 9/11 event... didn't make me one bit sad
but made me so angry I could spit... Bush was much too nice, I would
have annialated those muslims, all of them. And what was the point of
taking out OBL without taking out all the pakistanis, they hosted him
and were supportive for ten years and lots longer. I see absolutely
no difference between what the muslims did and what the japs did, I'd
have nuked them into oblivion. Bush is a dove in wolf's clothing...
and obomination only took out OBL for political cover up, a red
herring while he disembowels America.

>ObFood: This afternoon, we will roll tamales, then I will make refried
>beans and Spanish rice. My son, who is visiting, will make chile con
>queso. That is what's for dinner tonight.

Sounds very good, don't forget my rum n' coke and hammock.

right,
let's kill all muslims

talk about a really stupid comment
[emotional yes, but not rational]

marc

In article <[email protected]>,
Ema Nymton <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/11/2011 9:32 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> > I watched the World Trade Center buildings as they went up. I grew up
> > on the west bank of the Hudson River.
>
> snip...
> > I can't watch TV today. It makes me cry.
> >
> > Some people will think of this event as "history". I can't stop
> > taking it personally.
> >
>
> People have been talking about 9/11 for over a week. I could not watch
> television yesterday, because it is too painful, and I stayed home from
> church, because the sermon was about 9/11.

My daughter is in New York visiting a friend. She swore that she would
be nowhere near Manhattan yesterday, due to the crowds. This morning
she called and said that they had gone to the memorial service in
Manhattan yesterday, and that it was very moving.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

On 9/12/2011 3:32 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Ema Nymton<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>
>>
>> People have been talking about 9/11 for over a week. I could not watch
>> television yesterday, because it is too painful, and I stayed home from
>> church, because the sermon was about 9/11.
>
> My daughter is in New York visiting a friend. She swore that she would
> be nowhere near Manhattan yesterday, due to the crowds. This morning
> she called and said that they had gone to the memorial service in
> Manhattan yesterday, and that it was very moving.
>

I'm not the kind of person who is prone to displays of patriotism, but
for the anniversary of 9/11, I went and bought a flag and hung it in
front of the house. When I was a kid, I watched those towers being
built... and a few months before the attack, I took Becca to the top of
the World Trade Center.

The attack could have brought us together, but instead we let
politicians use it as an excuse for war... and instead of standing
strong and defying all terrorists, we let our fears overcome us... and
gave away some of our freedoms for a false sense of security.

George L

On 12/09/2011 5:45 PM, George Leppla wrote:

>
> I'm not the kind of person who is prone to displays of patriotism, but
> for the anniversary of 9/11, I went and bought a flag and hung it in
> front of the house. When I was a kid, I watched those towers being
> built... and a few months before the attack, I took Becca to the top of
> the World Trade Center.
>
> The attack could have brought us together, but instead we let
> politicians use it as an excuse for war... and instead of standing
> strong and defying all terrorists, we let our fears overcome us... and
> gave away some of our freedoms for a false sense of security.

How did you enjoy that warning about a terrorist plot from a credible
source? There was no attack, but they managed to keep the fear factor
going to help justify the enormous cost of security programs and the
loss of freedom and liberty. All they have to do is mention the
possibility of an attack and then when it doesn't happen they can point
out the great job they are doing. Don't forget that they found
credible sources to tell them about Saddam's WMD programs and vast
arsenal of WMDs to justify invading Iraq.

On 9/12/2011 5:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 12/09/2011 5:45 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not the kind of person who is prone to displays of patriotism, but
>> for the anniversary of 9/11, I went and bought a flag and hung it in
>> front of the house. When I was a kid, I watched those towers being
>> built... and a few months before the attack, I took Becca to the top of
>> the World Trade Center.
>>
>> The attack could have brought us together, but instead we let
>> politicians use it as an excuse for war... and instead of standing
>> strong and defying all terrorists, we let our fears overcome us... and
>> gave away some of our freedoms for a false sense of security.
>
> How did you enjoy that warning about a terrorist plot from a credible
> source? There was no attack, but they managed to keep the fear factor
> going to help justify the enormous cost of security programs and the
> loss of freedom and liberty. All they have to do is mention the
> possibility of an attack and then when it doesn't happen they can point
> out the great job they are doing. Don't forget that they found credible
> sources to tell them about Saddam's WMD programs and vast arsenal of
> WMDs to justify invading Iraq.


Exactly. It seems like our country has become one of fear and hate....
and that makes it easy for the politicians to run amok.

George L

"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
> America, in September 11th remembrance:
>
> Flying the American flag at half mast.
> Said the pledge of allegiance in front of the Garrison flag at the park.
> Seen here:
>
> http://alturl.com/3f3p8
>
> I luckily lost no one in the terrorist attacks but I grieve for those who
> did.
>
> I was on the train to work in Philadelphia while the World Trade Center
> attacks took place. I walked into the office and was rushed by all of the
> staff, who broke the news to me and showed me CNN photos on the
> computers. Many with tears in their eyes asked me "what should we do?" I
> wondered, why me?! I was a lowly volunteer. I said, call your loved ones,
> gather them up and go home! They scrambled off in haste. Without another
> word, I did an about-face and left.
>
> At the train station, all trains were canceled. The platforms were packed
> with commuters. I wondered how was I going to get home? Amtrak shut down
> all their rails. Then my "Media - R3" train pulled into the station and I
> hopped on board. It skipped all Amtrak station stops and I was back home
> about 30 minutes later. I spent the rest of the day glued to the TV.
>
> OB Food: Breakfast: pancakes, sausage and coffee at the Court Diner. For
> lunch, feeling patriotic, I'll have a Philly American (no cheez whiz) and
> fried onions cheesesteak (the third of the year) and steak fries and
> continue watching the remembrance coverage on TV.
>
> Peace,
>
> Andy

Oh, enough already. I didn't lose anyone, but I was 3 blocks from there.
How many times are the names going to get read? How many times are the
networks-all of them-going to do coverage 24/7 each 9/11?
Time to let the folks heal-stop bringing it up every year.