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  1. #1
    Yves Guest

    Default Wine in plastic bottles?

    Hi everyone,

    my niece, who is working at a wine bottling company near Bernkastel-Kues,
    has been contacted by a salesperson who tried to talk her into switching to
    plastic bottles, pretending that they are already popular in some countries.

    Surfing the shelves here in Luxembourg, the only plastic bottle containing
    something related to wine was... Sangria...

    What is the situation where you live?

    IMHO the only advantage might be the carbon footprint for shipping, but this
    goal can be reached with bag-in-box, cubitainer etc.

    Thanks sharing your experiences!

    Yves



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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: Wine in plastic bottles?

    On Aug 15, 6:11*am, "Yves" <tychonREMOVETHEOBVI...@pt.lu> wrote:
    > Hi everyone,
    >
    > my niece, who is working at a wine bottling company near Bernkastel-Kues,
    > has been contacted by a salesperson who tried to talk her into switching to
    > plastic bottles, pretending that they are already popular in some countries.
    >
    > Surfing the shelves here in Luxembourg, the only plastic bottle containing
    > something related to wine was... Sangria...
    >
    > What is the situation where you live?
    >
    > IMHO the only advantage might be the carbon footprint for shipping, but this
    > goal can be reached with bag-in-box, cubitainer etc.


    There are so many kinds of plastics with wildly different properties,
    that likely some are better than glass and some worse than glass for
    wine storage. I have not seen any high quality wines in plastic
    bottles in the US, but then I have not been looking for them. Many of
    the soft drinks such as colas are now sold in plastic bottles,
    especially for large sizes. Also some of the tiny airline single
    serving bottles, mostly spirits, have been sold in tiny plastic
    bottles for some time. Thus some food-grade plastics likely would be
    suitable and safe for at least short term wine storage. Many common
    plastics, such as some polyethylene, do allow some transfer through
    their walls over extended time. Such plastics might not be suitable
    for wines requiring years or decades of aging. There are some
    plastics, such as some expensive Teflon-like ones, that do seal
    extremely well and have often been used to store some very nasty
    things such as hydrofluoric acid that will dissolve glass. Of course
    the plastic must not add taste, smell, or toxins to the wine. Use of
    plastics for wine bottles likely will follow the course of use of
    screw caps. Thus at first plastic bottles likely will be mainly used
    on low cost wine for early drinking. Then slowly a few will start
    using perhaps the more expensive plastics on some of their wines that
    have a longer life.



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    Martin Field Guest

    Default Re: Wine in plastic bottles?

    "Yves" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Hi everyone,
    >
    > my niece, who is working at a wine bottling company near Bernkastel-Kues,
    > has been contacted by a salesperson who tried to talk her into switching
    > to plastic bottles, pretending that they are already popular in some
    > countries.
    >
    > Surfing the shelves here in Luxembourg, the only plastic bottle containing
    > something related to wine was... Sangria...
    >
    > What is the situation where you live?
    >
    > IMHO the only advantage might be the carbon footprint for shipping, but
    > this goal can be reached with bag-in-box, cubitainer etc.
    >
    > Thanks sharing your experiences!
    >
    > Yves

    This piece from 2006 suggests a problem with antimony leaching in PET
    bottles

    http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/ChemTe...plex_issue.asp

    I have found that home brewed beer in plastic bottles sarts to go flat over
    a relatively short time.

    Cheers

    Martin


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    dickr2 Guest

    Default Re: Wine in plastic bottles?

    Plastic bottles seem to be OK for any beverage that you plan
    to drink in the near future, but as others have pointed out,
    it depends on what kind of plastic is used in the bottles.
    We had a few bottles of club soda in the pantry, 2 plastic,
    1 glass. Since we don't use club soda very often, the bottles
    had been in the pantry for some time. Upon opening, the club
    soda in plastic was flat, whereas the contents of the glass bottle
    retained its fiz. Maybe a wine like Beaujoulais nouveau could
    be packaged in plastic bottles.
    :-)
    Dick

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    Mike Tommasi Guest

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    On 16/08/2010 20:51, dickr2 wrote:
    > Maybe a wine like Beaujoulais nouveau could
    > be packaged in plastic bottles.


    The bottle would melt.

    --
    Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France
    email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

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    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: Wine in plastic bottles?

    On Aug 16, 2:51*pm, dickr2 <dic...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > Plastic bottles seem to be OK for any beverage that you plan
    > to drink in the near future, but as others have pointed out,
    > it depends on what kind of plastic is used in the bottles.
    > We had a few bottles of club soda in the pantry, 2 plastic,
    > 1 glass. Since we don't use club soda very often, the bottles
    > had been in the pantry for some time. Upon opening, the club
    > soda in plastic was flat, whereas the contents of the glass bottle
    > retained its fiz. Maybe a wine like Beaujoulais nouveau could
    > be packaged in plastic bottles.
    > :-)
    > Dick


    Many years ago while visiting Crete I bought wine from a small bistro
    out of a large cask and put the wine into an empty 1 litre plastic
    Coke bottle. The wine cost about one US dollar per litre. The
    plastic bottle didn't hurt the wine a bit.

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    Argentobarbus Guest

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    "Mike Tommasi" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 16/08/2010 20:51, dickr2 wrote:
    >> Maybe a wine like Beaujoulais nouveau could
    >> be packaged in plastic bottles.

    >
    > The bottle would melt.




    O that this too too solid flesh would melt,
    Thaw, and resolve itself into a dew!

    Hamlet, Shakespeare.

    M.


  8. #8
    Yves Guest

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    First of all, thanks to all posters for their answers about plastic bottles.
    Mike's response about Beaujolais nouveau was stunning!

    About Crete: I do not know if it is still true today, but about ten years
    ago, you could buy what the locals called RAKI. Now this is not an
    anise-seed-based drink like its namesake in Turkey, but the equivalent to
    marc or grappa. Production was not entirely legal, but widespread and
    tolerated, and you could get the stuff in tavernas and on local markets,
    where in was sold in any kind of re-used whisky or coke bottles (plastic and
    glass).

    Some rakis I tasted in restaurants over there where quite palatable, so I
    decided to take a bottle home.

    Believe you me: Never has there been a beverage that I spat out so fast!
    Utterly disgusting stuff... Before pouring it down the drain, I thought I
    might decimate the fish population in the local river, so I poured the raki
    in the garden. Know what: the next morning, the grass hat turned brown and
    remained brown for the next few weeks...

    All the best in wine and life,

    Yves


    "Bi!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, dickr2 <dic...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > Plastic bottles seem to be OK for any beverage that you plan
    > to drink in the near future, but as others have pointed out,
    > it depends on what kind of plastic is used in the bottles.
    > We had a few bottles of club soda in the pantry, 2 plastic,
    > 1 glass. Since we don't use club soda very often, the bottles
    > had been in the pantry for some time. Upon opening, the club
    > soda in plastic was flat, whereas the contents of the glass bottle
    > retained its fiz. Maybe a wine like Beaujoulais nouveau could
    > be packaged in plastic bottles.
    > :-)
    > Dick


    Many years ago while visiting Crete I bought wine from a small bistro
    out of a large cask and put the wine into an empty 1 litre plastic
    Coke bottle. The wine cost about one US dollar per litre. The
    plastic bottle didn't hurt the wine a bit.



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