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    Nils Gustaf Lindgren Guest

    Default Wikipedia - do you use it?

    Hello,
    A shortish while ago, an at times heated (or, at least, tepid) discussion
    raged concerning terroir. Amongst sources cited were the wikipedia, in this
    case, the English version. However, those of us who not only speak broken
    English, but also broken French, will recognise that there are differences
    in how terroir is defined and described - the English, notably, passing
    traditon as a part of terroir.
    Looking into the passage on Pinot Gris, a lengthy and very unsubstantiated
    explanation on how Pinot Gris got to Alsace from Hungary is, in fact,
    misleading in several ways (Pinot Gris did not appear in Alsace until c.
    1750).
    In the entry on Syrah, it is correctly pointed out that Syrah in no way was
    brought to Rhone from the Orient by the crusading knight Gaspard de
    Sterimberg - however, it is not mentioned that this is because the good
    knight was, in fact, involved in the Albigensian crusade and never left what
    is today France. (Nor did he in fact build the chapel on the top of the
    Hermitage hill, said chapel being documented more than a houndred years
    before he set up store there, or so it would appear).
    So, how about you? Do you use the wikipedia? Do you trust in it? Do you help
    in correcting and enlarge it?

    Just out of curiosity, you see.

    Cheers

    Nils




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    Ronin Guest

    Default Re: Wikipedia - do you use it?

    On 2008-09-21 07:37:22 -0700, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
    <[email protected]> said:

    > Hello,
    > A shortish while ago, an at times heated (or, at least, tepid)
    > discussion raged concerning terroir. Amongst sources cited were the
    > wikipedia, in this case, the English version. However, those of us who
    > not only speak broken English, but also broken French, will recognise
    > that there are differences in how terroir is defined and described -
    > the English, notably, passing traditon as a part of terroir.
    > Looking into the passage on Pinot Gris, a lengthy and very
    > unsubstantiated explanation on how Pinot Gris got to Alsace from
    > Hungary is, in fact, misleading in several ways (Pinot Gris did not
    > appear in Alsace until c. 1750).
    > In the entry on Syrah, it is correctly pointed out that Syrah in no way
    > was brought to Rhone from the Orient by the crusading knight Gaspard de
    > Sterimberg - however, it is not mentioned that this is because the good
    > knight was, in fact, involved in the Albigensian crusade and never left
    > what is today France. (Nor did he in fact build the chapel on the top
    > of the Hermitage hill, said chapel being documented more than a
    > houndred years before he set up store there, or so it would appear).
    > So, how about you? Do you use the wikipedia? Do you trust in it? Do you
    > help in correcting and enlarge it?
    >
    > Just out of curiosity, you see.
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Nils


    I use wiki often, but take many things with the proverbial grain of
    salt. I don't help in correcting it, as if it is within my area of
    expertise, I don't need to consult it, so I don't usually find anything
    that I know to be false. (and I would prefer not to add my own
    ignorance to someone else's)


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    Steve Slatcher Guest

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    I use wikipedia quite a bit and would trust it just about as much as I
    would trust anything else, i.e. with a fair degree of scepticism. I
    try to judge from the general style and standard of the article, and
    if the information is important to me I would always try to find a
    corroborating source. At least errors in wikipedia are easy to fix.
    Dead tree sources may as well be tablets of stone when it comes to
    correction, and even blunders on non-wiki websites can be difficult to
    get corrected.

    I have corrected errors in wikipedia on a number of occasions - always
    things that are clearly wrong and easy to correct - I have not written
    any substantial pieces of text myself. And I would strongly urge
    others to make corrections. It annoys me when I read someone
    complaining in some forum or other about specific errors in wikipedia,
    when they could have fixed the article themselves in less time than it
    took them to complain.

    --
    Steve Slatcher
    http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

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    DaleW Guest

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    On Sep 21, 12:40�pm, Steve Slatcher <steve.slatc...@pobox.com> wrote:
    > I use wikipedia quite a bit and would trust it just about as much as I
    > would trust anything else, i.e. with a fair degree of scepticism. �I
    > try to judge from the general style and standard of the article, and
    > if the information is important to me I would always try to find a
    > corroborating source. �At least errors in wikipedia are easy to fix.
    > Dead tree sources may as well be tablets of stone when it comes to
    > correction, and even blunders on non-wiki websites can be difficult to
    > get corrected. �
    >
    > I have corrected errors in wikipedia on a number of occasions - always
    > things that are clearly wrong and easy to correct - I have not written
    > any substantial pieces of text myself. And I would strongly urge
    > others to make corrections. �It annoys me when I read someone
    > complaining in some forum or other about specific errors in wikipedia,
    > when they could have fixed the article themselves in less time than it
    > took them to complain.
    >
    > --
    > Steve Slatcherhttp://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher


    Similar to my feelings. I occasionally fix obvious mistakes. I don't
    regard anything as definitive, but it's a source (and better articles
    offer references).

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    Steve Slatcher Guest

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    On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:40:17 +0100, Steve Slatcher
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >It annoys me when I read someone
    >complaining in some forum or other about specific errors in wikipedia,
    >when they could have fixed the article themselves in less time than it
    >took them to complain.


    That wasn't aimed at you Nils, BTW. I think the examples you gave
    would have taken quite a bit of effort to fix in an appropriate
    manner.

    --
    Steve Slatcher
    http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

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    Nils Gustaf Lindgren Guest

    Default Re: Wikipedia - do you use it?

    > That wasn't aimed at you Nils, BTW. I think the examples you gave
    > would have taken quite a bit of effort to fix in an appropriate
    > manner.


    No offence taken - I tend to agree with Ronin about not adding my ignorance
    to that of others. I did endeavour to correct the entry on Pinot Gris (I
    have spent considerable time on this) but gave it up. Correcting wikipedia
    is not all that straight forward, and I would have liked a few more
    corroborating sources.

    Cheers

    Nils


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