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  1. #1
    JT Guest

    Default TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    Solihull Fine Wine Society, December Tasting.
    The usual Rowland devious and testing Xmas tasting. All blind, not even an
    idea of a theme, area or hemisphere.

    Welcoming wine
    Grosset Polish Hill Clare Valley Riesling 2007.
    Bright and viscous, pale straw, a delightful nose of butter spice and
    apricot, fat entry, good fruit with balancing acidity, I thought a
    viognier/chard blend.......oops. A very nice wine that needs food.


    Flight of four to start

    Hermitage La Chapelle Paul Jaboulet 1982
    Slightly dull mature, orange rim, vegetal nose of tinned tomatoes and spice,
    soft entry, spice and pepper, good balance. Finished a tad short.

    HLCPJ 1983
    Looks just like the 82, garnet robe, oak and spice, muted backward, firm
    entry with big tannins and jammy fruit. spice and complex, layer upon
    layer,, long.., .....superb. This wine will live for a long time. 4th WOTN

    HLCPJ 1985
    Looks like 82, a definite corkiness on the nose, crushed olives, corked on
    palate yet drinkable.

    HLCPJ 1987
    These first four wines all looked similar in the glass, an elegant, sweet
    leather pepper nose, a warm unctous entry, tobacco and fruit, perfect now.
    3rd WOTN

    Next flight of two

    HLCPJ 1995
    What depth and extract, different league to the first four, nose of morello
    cherries, marshmallow, complex , hiding its charms. fat entry with fruit and
    big tannins, unbalanced, but enough fruit to stand up the tannins....long
    life ahead.

    Hermitage Jean-Louise Chave 1995
    less extract than the previous wine...a beautiful perfumed elegant nose, a
    real dollop of perfume, but what?, Just all there, perfect balance, pepper
    and tobacco palate, on the plateau, wonderful 2nd WOTN

    last flight of two

    HLCPJ 1999
    Mature and bright, good legs, a real farmyard and violet nose, is this
    claret? no, toothpaste and tomatoes again.. Superb mouthful of fruit, tannin
    acidity all in perfect balance, shimmering white pepper. Perfect now, but
    will live another 5-10 years.

    Croze Hermitage PJ Domaine de Thalabert 1999
    Where did this come from? Immense depth, almost portlike, black, what
    orgainc overtones yet spicy cherries, wonderful fruit bomb, tannins soft
    edged and gave a firmness this wine needed to balance the fruit. WOTN by a
    long chalk.

    A cunning tasting, oldest to youngest in order, yet the last was so
    stunning, we have all gone and bought what we could after the tasting, the
    Wine Society still had some left at........GBP 13, yes you saw it right
    GBP13

    We hav all been told that Jaboulet had gone off after the 90, and the old
    mans death. But what about the 1987, dismissed by Broadbent as stewed!!




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    Bill S. Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    Hope your 82 was uncharacteristic as I still have some.

    In fact I just went straight down to the cellar and pulled a bottle
    that I'll open Friday and will report back. I was going to take an 82
    Bordeaux to a blind tasting, but what the heck, we'll use them as
    Guinea pigs on this wine.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    I also have a fair bit of the 1991, a neglected but very good vintage
    in the Northern Rhone.

    And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    Sante.

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    John T Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    we'll use them as
    > Guinea pigs on this win

    will be interested in the 82 showing.


    And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.

    JT




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    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    On Dec 10, 10:53�am, "John T" <j...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    > �we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win
    >
    > will be interested in the 82 showing.
    >
    > �And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?
    >
    > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.
    >
    > JT


    Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well
    as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an
    '85 ( I know that's pushing it)
    Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple
    years ago.
    I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in
    the flagship bottlings.

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    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    On Dec 10, 12:44�pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" <j...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win

    >
    > > will be interested in the 82 showing.

    >
    > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    >
    > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.

    >
    > > JT

    >
    > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well
    > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an
    > '85 ( I know that's pushing it)
    > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple
    > years ago.
    > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in
    > the flagship bottlings.


    I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the
    vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't
    noticed a lot of bottle variation. I always bought case lots so that
    might explain why.

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    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    On Dec 10, 2:11�pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" <j...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    >
    > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win

    >
    > > > will be interested in the 82 showing.

    >
    > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    >
    > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.

    >
    > > > JT

    >
    > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well
    > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an
    > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it)
    > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple
    > > years ago.
    > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in
    > > the flagship bottlings.

    >
    > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the
    > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't
    > noticed a lot of bottle variation. �I always bought case lots so that
    > might explain why.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I
    still have run across very very different showing from different
    bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be
    true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet,
    even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me).
    Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious
    Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings
    (Les Jalets, P45) are poster children for bottle variation (or to be
    more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not
    consistently the same wine).

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    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    On Dec 10, 2:51�pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 10, 2:11 pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" <j...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    >
    > > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win

    >
    > > > > will be interested in the 82 showing.

    >
    > > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    >
    > > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.

    >
    > > > > JT

    >
    > > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well
    > > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an
    > > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it)
    > > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple
    > > > years ago.
    > > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in
    > > > the flagship bottlings.

    >
    > > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the
    > > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't
    > > noticed a lot of bottle variation. I always bought case lots so that
    > > might explain why.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > > - Show quoted text -

    >
    > I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I
    > still have run across very very different showing from different
    > bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be
    > true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet,
    > even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me).
    > Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious
    > Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings
    > (Les Jalets, P45) �are poster children for bottle variation (or to be
    > more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not
    > consistently the same wine).- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I guess I assumed that in cases that the bottles are consecutive from
    the bottleing line and the "batch" should be the same. I understand
    that bottle variation can come from a variety of sources (storage,
    corking, dirty bottles) I just haven't seen a lot of bottle variation
    in the La Chapelle from the same case lots. The vintage variations
    are HUGE and I often use LaChapelle to show people how different wine
    can be from vintage to vintage from the same vineyard. FWIW, I often
    use Penfolds to show how Aussie wines tend to taste the same from
    vintage to vintage.

  8. #8
    Lawrence Leichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    DaleW <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Dec 10, 2:11?pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > > On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" <j...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    > >
    > > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win

    > >
    > > > > will be interested in the 82 showing.

    > >
    > > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found?

    > >
    > > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up.

    > >
    > > > > JT

    > >
    > > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well
    > > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an
    > > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it)
    > > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple
    > > > years ago.
    > > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in
    > > > the flagship bottlings.

    > >
    > > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the
    > > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't
    > > noticed a lot of bottle variation. ?I always bought case lots so that
    > > might explain why.- Hide quoted text -
    > >
    > > - Show quoted text -

    >
    > I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I
    > still have run across very very different showing from different
    > bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be
    > true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet,
    > even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me).
    > Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious
    > Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings
    > (Les Jalets, P45) are poster children for bottle variation (or to be
    > more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not
    > consistently the same wine).


    Vieux Telegraphe also seems to have a lot of bottle variation for me.

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