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  1. #1
    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default [TN] Two BdB on NYE

    Working through the backlog of notes, I have two from our New Year's Eve
    celebration with my mother and some friends. With a selection of
    charcuterie, crudité, olives, cornichons and caviar with créme fraiche
    on blini, we opened:

    NV Diebolt-Vallois Blanc de Blancs "à la Cramant"
    nose: apples and citrus
    palate: firmly acidic, fine mousse, good balance of fruit and acid

    NV Larmandier-Bernier Blanc de Blancs Vertus
    nose: toasty, with some citrus fruit underneath
    palate: creamier, with good acidity and a leesy, toasty finish

    Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. Jean preferred the latter,
    though. Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.

    Mark Lipton
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    Mike Tommasi Guest

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    Mark Lipton wrote:
    > Working through the backlog of notes, I have two from our New Year's Eve
    > celebration with my mother and some friends. With a selection of
    > charcuterie, crudité, olives, cornichons and caviar with créme fraiche
    > on blini, we opened:
    >
    > NV Diebolt-Vallois Blanc de Blancs "à la Cramant"
    > nose: apples and citrus
    > palate: firmly acidic, fine mousse, good balance of fruit and acid
    >
    > NV Larmandier-Bernier Blanc de Blancs Vertus
    > nose: toasty, with some citrus fruit underneath
    > palate: creamier, with good acidity and a leesy, toasty finish
    >
    > Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    > than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. Jean preferred the latter,
    > though. Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.


    Now THAT is a great way to celebrate NY...


    --
    Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France
    email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

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    Mike Tommasi Guest

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    Mike Tommasi wrote:
    > Mark Lipton wrote:
    >> Working through the backlog of notes, I have two from our New Year's Eve
    >> celebration with my mother and some friends. With a selection of
    >> charcuterie, crudité, olives, cornichons and caviar with créme fraiche
    >> on blini, we opened:
    >>
    >> NV Diebolt-Vallois Blanc de Blancs "à la Cramant"
    >> nose: apples and citrus
    >> palate: firmly acidic, fine mousse, good balance of fruit and acid
    >>
    >> NV Larmandier-Bernier Blanc de Blancs Vertus
    >> nose: toasty, with some citrus fruit underneath
    >> palate: creamier, with good acidity and a leesy, toasty finish
    >>
    >> Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    >> than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. Jean preferred the latter,
    >> though. Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.

    >
    > Now THAT is a great way to celebrate NY...


    All that's missing is Egly Ouriet. I think Dale took care of that.


    --
    Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France
    email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

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    DaleW Guest

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    On Jan 5, 4:37*pm, Mark Lipton <not...@eudrup.ude> wrote:
    > Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    > than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. *Jean preferred the latter,
    > though. *Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.
    >


    I think preferences in Champagne are interesting, kind of hard to
    correlate to any other type of wine. You can't really say the people
    who like modern Bordeaux more than old style or high acid Chablis over
    ripe vintage Meursault are more likely to go for one style of bubbles
    than the other. At least in my experience.

  5. #5
    Bi!! Guest

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    On Jan 7, 8:54�am, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Jan 5, 4:37�pm, Mark Lipton <not...@eudrup.ude> wrote:
    >
    > > Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    > > than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. �Jean preferred the latter,
    > > though. �Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.

    >
    > I think preferences in Champagne are interesting, kind of hard to
    > correlate to any other type of wine. You can't really say the people
    > who like modern Bordeaux more than old style or high acid Chablis over
    > ripe vintage Meursault are more likely to go for one style of bubbles
    > than the other. At least in my experience.


    My preferences tend to be fairly broad depending on my mood or the fod
    and occasion. I tend to like the more fruit driven wines in the
    summer or with apps and the leesy, yeasty wines in the winter or with
    substantial foods. I never pass up a glass of Rose.

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    Mark Lipton Guest

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    DaleW wrote:
    > On Jan 5, 4:37 pm, Mark Lipton <not...@eudrup.ude> wrote:
    >> Both were fine wines, but the Diebolt-Vallois I found closer to my taste
    >> than the more leesy Larmandier-Bernier. Jean preferred the latter,
    >> though. Both were excellent with the selection of food at the party.
    >>

    >
    > I think preferences in Champagne are interesting, kind of hard to
    > correlate to any other type of wine. You can't really say the people
    > who like modern Bordeaux more than old style or high acid Chablis over
    > ripe vintage Meursault are more likely to go for one style of bubbles
    > than the other. At least in my experience.


    I couldn't agree with you more. I've been trying to establish my own
    preferences with difficulty, let alone those of others. FWIW, I've
    found myself growing increasingly sensitive to the toasty aromas of
    Champagne. Perhaps it's the side-effect of drinking more sparkling
    Vouvray these days -- I dunno. Whatever the reason, I find quite a few
    Champagnes so overtly toasty that I can't enjoy them. A recent example
    was a Gimmonet. Lately, Roederer, Taittinger and now this
    Diebolt-Vallois come closest to what I look for in NV Champagne.

    Mark Lipton

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    Mark Lipton Guest

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    Mike Tommasi wrote:

    >> Now THAT is a great way to celebrate NY...

    >
    > All that's missing is Egly Ouriet. I think Dale took care of that.


    Thanks, Mike. I've had one Egly-Ouriet a few years ago and recall it as
    a very intriguing wine. The one that I'd hoped to secure for this event
    was Cedric Bouchard's NV Inflorescence, which I've heard so much about,
    but no joy.

    Happy New Year!
    Mark Lipton
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    alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

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    Mike Tommasi Guest

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    Mark Lipton wrote:
    > Mike Tommasi wrote:
    >
    >>> Now THAT is a great way to celebrate NY...

    >> All that's missing is Egly Ouriet. I think Dale took care of that.

    >
    > Thanks, Mike. I've had one Egly-Ouriet a few years ago and recall it as
    > a very intriguing wine. The one that I'd hoped to secure for this event
    > was Cedric Bouchard's NV Inflorescence, which I've heard so much about,
    > but no joy.


    Don't know that one yet, will look for it.

    --
    Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France
    email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

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    santiago Guest

    Default Re: Two BdB on NYE

    Mark Lipton <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:hi4uri$va1$[email protected]:
    >
    > I couldn't agree with you more. I've been trying to establish my own
    > preferences with difficulty, let alone those of others. FWIW, I've
    > found myself growing increasingly sensitive to the toasty aromas of
    > Champagne. Perhaps it's the side-effect of drinking more sparkling
    > Vouvray these days -- I dunno. Whatever the reason, I find quite a
    > few Champagnes so overtly toasty that I can't enjoy them. A recent
    > example was a Gimmonet. Lately, Roederer, Taittinger and now this
    > Diebolt-Vallois come closest to what I look for in NV Champagne.


    Interesting. I do not think Gimonnet (if Pierre Gimonnet) is too toasty.
    For me, their wines are marked by the lively acidity that comes from Cuis,
    and that in my opinion gives them tension and nerve.

    I have had a toasty Gimonnet, but it was 20 years old (and one of the best
    wines of my life, but that's another story).

    Do you remember which bottlig of Gimonnet you were tasting? Was it the
    basic Premier Cru "Cuis" NV?

    s.


  10. #10
    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default Re: Two BdB on NYE

    santiago wrote:

    > Interesting. I do not think Gimonnet (if Pierre Gimonnet) is too toasty.
    > For me, their wines are marked by the lively acidity that comes from Cuis,
    > and that in my opinion gives them tension and nerve.
    >
    > I have had a toasty Gimonnet, but it was 20 years old (and one of the best
    > wines of my life, but that's another story).
    >
    > Do you remember which bottlig of Gimonnet you were tasting? Was it the
    > basic Premier Cru "Cuis" NV?


    Your pointed question has forced me to rely not on memory but on my
    archived notes, a good thing. Now I realize that it was a bottle of
    Gosset Celebris Brut, not a Gimmonet, that I'd found so toasty. Sorry
    for the confusion.

    Mark Lipton

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    santiago Guest

    Default Re: Two BdB on NYE

    Mark Lipton <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:hi843v$qte$[email protected]:

    > Your pointed question has forced me to rely not on memory but on my
    > archived notes, a good thing. Now I realize that it was a bottle of
    > Gosset Celebris Brut, not a Gimmonet, that I'd found so toasty. Sorry
    > for the confusion.


    Well, at least it started with G

    BTW, it is Gimonnet. One m, two n. I have made the same mistake many times.
    Now, if I could just remember if it is Nieeport or Niepoort (or
    Beerenauslese - Bereenauslese).

    I am getting older

    s.

  12. #12
    Michael Pronay Guest

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    santiago <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Now, if I could just remember if it is Nieeport or Niepoort


    One e, two o: Niepoort.

    > (or Beerenauslese - Bereenauslese).


    Beeren-.

    Berry = Beere, berries = Beeren.

    M.


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