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    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: SOBER w/Gaja, Graillot, Bourdy, Ygay, Musar, Zilliken

    Our newest member Franco hosted SOBER in Chelsea last night. Lovely
    loft space, great food, fun lineup of wines, great company.

    We arrived to find a nice spread with cheeses, rabbit pate, cured
    meats. Opening wine was a Dosnon and Lepage Champagne that I liked but
    didn't love, no notes taken.

    To table for the blind wines
    White Flight
    #1- Beautiful Riesling, light petrol, plenty of slate, complex, long,
    fresh. I'm delighted to find out its the 1983 Zilliken Saarburger
    Rausch Goldkapsel Auslese as I still have one bottle, hope mine shows
    as well. A-/A

    #2 - ok, thank God I didn't blurt out first thing I thought. I got
    this before #1, and took a whiff. Big herbal nose, loaded with mint. I
    almost said "Ramonet" without tasting. OK, but one taste made clear it
    wasn't white Burg! Solid delicious Riesling, without the complexity of
    the '83 GKA.1983 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Auslese B+

    Red Flight #1 (with excellent lamb rib chops, homemade pita chips,
    tzatiki, and baba ganoush)
    #1 - Meaty, perfumed, good complexity. Someone had called it Northern
    Rhone before I even smelled. Bacon, herbs, and black raspberries.
    Nice texture. Someone suggested it might have been better couple years
    ago, but mostly holding VERY well. 1990 Graillot "La Guiraude" Crozes-
    Hermitage B+/A-

    #2 - this I really didn't like at first. Red stewed fruit, some VA, a
    little dirty, seemed clipped. But while I was concentrating on the
    Graillot it really turned around. Fresher red fruit with a little
    kirsch note, leather, cigarbox. Still prefer the Crozes, but while I
    initially was in C territory this moved way up. 1964 Marques de
    Murrieta "Ygay" Rioja Gran Reserva B/B+

    Red Flight #2 (great chicken and mushroom stew )*
    #1- People quickly centered on Piedmont. Beautiful red fruit, clean
    and vibrant acidity, the sweet fruit has a brown sugar edge to it,
    along with orange zest, rose petals,and just a hint of tar. Once
    Franco said not Barolo John quickly said Barbaresco and then '64.
    Lovely lovely lovely.
    My WOTN (and WOTY so far). 1964 Gaja Barbaresco. A

    #2 -softer, a bit animal, seems a little tired but holds on ok.
    Outclassed by its flightmate, my guess of old CdP is wrong. Someone
    guesses Algerian (joking?) and the light dawns- John says Lebanon.
    Actually I think if it hadn't been next to the Gaja I would have liked
    more, but this was good in any case. 1964 Chateau Musar.B/B-

    Red Flight # 3
    just putting my notes here, comments below
    #1 - my favorite, bright, raspberry.cranberry fruit, herby, good
    body.
    1985 Bourdy Cotes du Jura .B+
    #2 - high acids, raspberry, a bit lifted. Tasty. 1953*Bourdy Cotes du
    Jura. B
    #3 - ripe, red, full, soft, nice but with a little
    caramel.maderization edge, I liked others better. 1947 Bourdy Cotes du
    Jura B/B-

    OK, so it took forever to get this. I thought Piedmont, but someone
    else guessed and was told no. Rioja? No. I thought maybe pre-1975
    CalCab? No. Finally I think Cliff got Jura. I've had a few Jura reds,
    but never more than 5 years from vintage. These were unusual and tasty
    wines. The '47 surely deserves a better score than I gave, 60+ year
    old Pinot blends should have a little caramel/madeira edge!

    Really fun tasting. I liked all the wines, and loved some. I was
    fighting a cold and was feeling like a wasted trip on way end, but
    ended up having a ball. Oldest Musar I've had, oldest Juras by huge
    factor, oldest Gaja, oldest Graillot. Thanks Franco for a great
    evening (and John for ride home).

    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


  2. #2
    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: SOBER w/Gaja, Graillot, Bourdy, Ygay, Musar, Zilliken

    On Feb 17, 11:27*am, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > Our newest member Franco hosted SOBER in Chelsea last night. Lovely
    > loft space, great food, fun lineup of wines, great company.
    >
    > We arrived to find a nice spread with cheeses, rabbit pate, cured
    > meats. Opening wine was a Dosnon and Lepage Champagne that I liked but
    > didn't love, no notes taken.
    >
    > To table for the blind wines
    > White Flight
    > #1- Beautiful Riesling, light petrol, plenty of slate, complex, long,
    > fresh. I'm delighted to find out its the 1983 Zilliken Saarburger
    > Rausch Goldkapsel *Auslese as I still have one bottle, hope mine shows
    > as well. A-/A
    >
    > #2 - ok, thank God I didn't blurt out first thing I thought. I got
    > this before #1, and took a whiff. Big herbal nose, loaded with mint. I
    > almost said "Ramonet" without tasting. OK, but one taste made clear it
    > wasn't white Burg! Solid delicious Riesling, without the complexity of
    > the '83 GKA.1983 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Auslese *B+
    >
    > Red Flight #1 (with excellent lamb rib chops, homemade pita chips,
    > tzatiki, and baba ganoush)
    > #1 - Meaty, perfumed, good complexity. Someone had called it Northern
    > Rhone before I even smelled. Bacon, herbs, and black raspberries.
    > Nice texture. Someone suggested it might have been better couple years
    > ago, but mostly holding VERY well. 1990 Graillot "La Guiraude" Crozes-
    > Hermitage B+/A-
    >
    > #2 - this I really didn't like at first. Red stewed fruit, some VA, a
    > little dirty, seemed clipped. *But while I was concentrating on *the
    > Graillot it really turned around. Fresher red fruit with a little
    > kirsch note, leather, cigarbox. Still prefer the Crozes, but while I
    > initially was in C territory this moved way up. *1964 Marques de
    > Murrieta "Ygay" Rioja Gran Reserva B/B+
    >
    > Red Flight #2 (great chicken and mushroom stew )*
    > #1- People quickly centered on Piedmont. Beautiful red fruit, clean
    > and vibrant acidity, the sweet fruit has a brown sugar edge to it,
    > along with orange zest, rose petals,and just a hint of tar. Once
    > Franco said not Barolo John quickly said Barbaresco and then '64.
    > Lovely lovely lovely.
    > My WOTN (and WOTY so far). 1964 Gaja Barbaresco. A
    >
    > #2 *-softer, a bit animal, seems a little tired but holds on ok.
    > Outclassed by its flightmate, my guess of old CdP is wrong. Someone
    > guesses Algerian (joking?) and the light dawns- John says Lebanon.
    > Actually I think if it hadn't been next to the Gaja I would have liked
    > more, but this was good in any case. 1964 Chateau Musar.B/B-
    >
    > Red Flight # 3
    > just putting my notes here, comments below
    > #1 - my favorite, bright, raspberry.cranberry fruit, herby, good
    > body.
    > 1985 Bourdy Cotes du Jura .B+
    > #2 - high acids, raspberry, a bit lifted. Tasty. 1953*Bourdy Cotes du
    > Jura. B
    > #3 - ripe, red, full, soft, nice but with a little
    > caramel.maderization edge, I liked others better. 1947 Bourdy Cotes du
    > Jura B/B-
    >
    > OK, so it took forever to get this. I thought Piedmont, but someone
    > else guessed and was told no. Rioja? No. I thought maybe pre-1975
    > CalCab? No. Finally I think Cliff got Jura. I've had a few Jura reds,
    > but never more than 5 years from vintage. These were unusual and tasty
    > wines. The '47 surely deserves a better score than I gave, 60+ year
    > old Pinot blends should have a little caramel/madeira edge!
    >
    > *Really fun tasting. I liked all the wines, and loved some. I was
    > fighting a cold and was feeling like a wasted trip on way end, but
    > ended up having a ball. Oldest Musar I've had, oldest Juras by huge
    > factor, oldest Gaja, oldest Graillot. Thanks Franco for a great
    > evening (and John for ride home).
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


    Few corrections:
    The '83 Zilliken was actually a LONG goldkapsel, so I guess I don't
    have same one.
    The '64 Ygay was a Reserva, not a GR.
    The '85 CdJ was listed as Jean Bourdy, while the '53 & '47 are listed
    as Caves Bourdy

    and the Champagne was the Dosnon & Lepage Extra Brut "Recolte Blanche"

    and the bottles (except Champagne)
    http://tinyurl.com/4aoln42

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