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  1. #1
    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: SOBER at Dan's with great Bordeaux, Burgs, and Riojas

    Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
    1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+

    Onto blind wines:
    White Blind Flight
    Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
    #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 LavilleHaut Brion B+
    #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
    Nice wines, but not at current pricing.

    Red Blind Flight #1
    This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
    #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
    #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+

    Red Blind Flight #2
    #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
    A-
    #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-

    A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.

    Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+


    Red Blind Flight #3
    Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
    #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-

    #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-

    Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!

    Red Blind Flight #4
    Another clear Bordeaux flight.
    #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
    #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-

    Red Blind Flight #5
    #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
    #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-

    Red Blind Flight #6
    #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+

    #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva
    A-/B+

    #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-

    Great night with some great wines.

    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine,B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

  2. #2
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: SOBER at Dan's with great Bordeaux, Burgs, and Riojas

    On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
    > Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
    >
    > 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+
    >
    >
    >
    > Onto blind wines:
    >
    > White Blind Flight
    >
    > Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
    >
    > #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+
    >
    > #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bitspirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
    >
    > Nice wines, but not at current pricing.
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #1
    >
    > This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
    >
    > #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the winethought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
    >
    > #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #2
    >
    > #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
    >
    > A-
    >
    > #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-
    >
    >
    >
    > A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.
    >
    >
    >
    > Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #3
    >
    > Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
    >
    > #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-
    >
    >
    >
    > #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-
    >
    >
    >
    > Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #4
    >
    > Another clear Bordeaux flight.
    >
    > #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
    >
    > #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #5
    >
    > #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
    >
    > #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus,red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-
    >
    >
    >
    > Red Blind Flight #6
    >
    > #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+
    >
    >
    >
    > #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial”Rioja Gran Riserva
    >
    > A-/B+
    >
    >
    >
    > #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-
    >
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    >
    > Great night with some great wines.
    >
    >
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


    Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?

  3. #3
    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: SOBER at Dan's with great Bordeaux, Burgs, and Riojas

    On Monday, July 22, 2013 10:37:32 AM UTC-4, Bi!! wrote:
    > On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
    >
    > > Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the

    >
    > >

    >
    > > 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripepears, toasty notes. B+

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Onto blind wines:

    >
    > >

    >
    > > White Blind Flight

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages

    >
    > >

    >
    > > #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+

    >
    > >

    >
    > > #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B

    >
    > >

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    > > Nice wines, but not at current pricing.

    >
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    > > Red Blind Flight #1

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    >
    > > This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1

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    > >

    >
    > > #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B

    >
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    > > #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+

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    > > Red Blind Flight #2

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    > > #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin

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    > > A-

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    > > #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-

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    > > A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.

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    > > Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+

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    > > Red Blind Flight #3

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    > > Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)

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    > > #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-

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    > > #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-

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    > > Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!

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    > > Red Blind Flight #4

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    > > Another clear Bordeaux flight.

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    > > #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-

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    > > #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-

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    > > Red Blind Flight #5

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    > > #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+

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    > > #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-

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    > > Red Blind Flight #6

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    > > #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+

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    > > #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva

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    > > A-/B+

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    > > #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-

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    > > Great night with some great wines.

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    > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

    >
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    > Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?


    For me, the Magdelaine.
    This group doesn't vote, but know both Ruchottes had advocates.

  4. #4
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: SOBER at Dan's with great Bordeaux, Burgs, and Riojas

    On Monday, July 22, 2013 12:46:33 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
    > On Monday, July 22, 2013 10:37:32 AM UTC-4, Bi!! wrote:
    >
    > > On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:

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    > > > Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the

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    > > > 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+

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    > > > Onto blind wines:

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    > > > White Blind Flight

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    > > > Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages

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    > > > #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+

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    > > > #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, abit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B

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    > > > This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1

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    > > > #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thoughtgood wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B

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    > > > #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+

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    > > > Red Blind Flight #2

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    > > > #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin

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    > > > A-

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    > > > #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-

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    > > > Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness,fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+

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    > > > Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Gravesis Left Bank)

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    > > >

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    > > > #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovelybalance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-

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    > > > #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-

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    > > > Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!

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    > > > Red Blind Flight #4

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    > > > Another clear Bordeaux flight.

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    > > > #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-

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    > > > #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-

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    > > > #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+

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    > > > #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-

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    > > > Great night with some great wines.

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    > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellentwine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

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    > > Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?

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    > For me, the Magdelaine.
    >
    > This group doesn't vote, but know both Ruchottes had advocates.


    Thanks. Interesting, I never warmed up to Magdelaine as it always seemed tobe missing something but I've nver had one as old as a 1971. The 1983 Chevalier is a wine that I've had a few times and Chevalier (rouge) in general seemed to be hit or miss to me.

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